The compas direction on the elevation circle is wrong

[Nick Carthew]

@Corjan-Meijerink A direct contradiction

[Con Hennekens]

@LennyO, "North will always be up" in this context refers to the north of the map, not to the north pole

[M. Schrijver]

I know the North Pole and North on the map are not exact the same. But considering the few segments of the compass, should then the north pole and north on the map be same?

[Con Hennekens]

@M.-Schrijver, I don't think that makes it easier for most

[BertM]

@Con-Hennekens said:

@M.-Schrijver, I don't think that makes it easier for most

then this post goes from 50 to 500

[LennyO]

@Con-Hennekens Ok, Con! I get it! Not the most intuitive implementation, but it is what it is....
Having said that, I strongly feel that the manual needs to be updated to state what you and @rob-verhoeff are saying.
Every GPS unit is actually North up if you select such an orientation.
Who would ever deduce, reading the manual, that North does not really mean North when it clearly strates that " in the North Up camera vew ( map orientation ) North will always be up".
When people read "North" they can not imagine that it means "North of the map"....

And that includes myself, which caused a major confusion in my head.
What's going on???? I see a discrepancy between what I thought was North and the Red segment! Re-check the manual. The manual says so, then the Red segment must be wrong, correct?
This whoole thing could be easily resolved in two simple steps:

1. Update the manual
2. Put the N,E,S,W cardinal markings on the segmented circle.
   DONE!
   I am sure you would agree with that

Many people are having issues with this thing, so something needs to be done and hopefully soon.
Thank you!

[Con Hennekens]

@lennyo, In "North Up" North does not mean top, UP means top (of your phone, or paper map, or whatever). Projection of a map has really nothing to do with where North is. North Up is only about how you hold the map. I agree that adding E,S and W would help for some in that it obviously does not indicate your heading, but then again North will still not always point to the top of your phone

[LennyO]

@Con-Hennekens Con, there is an ambiguity and it's never good. Right?

[white.mouse]

As always, there are some in favour and some against. And that will always be the case. A decision has been made and implemented. Some have already got used to it, whilst others may still need to get used to it. For those who navigate using the ‘North Up’ map, just ignore the red square and pretend you don’t see it. For them, north is always visible on the map. But for those who use the map in the direction of travel, it’s a welcome addition.
And since the compass directions never change, it’s simply a matter of getting used to the order: N-E-S-W. Is that difficult? Not for us older folk, anyway.
And let’s not make a fuss about adding all the directions, because the screen is already so crowded!
So . . .

Just see it as a compass rose and remember that the red segment is pointing to the North

[LennyO]

@white.mouse This is your opinion and I respect it. Mine is different, so respect that too.
But that is only half of the problem...
The phraseology in the manual regarding the "North up" map orientation is misleading.
And no matter how many people think that it's ok (for whatever reason...), the fact remains -
the current description in the manual is not clear and does not depict the current state if events.
I do not see how that could be argued or defended or ignored.

This Forum is a shakeout platform that helps developers make the product better and people discover things here and there, that Corjan and the crew may not have seen or did not get to, etc,...
I was an IT developer on Wall street for 40 years and know how that works first hand.

But to say that it's fine or turn it off or look the other way goes against my grain.
I want this product to be the best, that's why I even bother to bring it up.
Not to cause an argument or a confrontation.

The issue has to be acknowledged and then put in the queue for a fix based on the priorities.
That is the professional approach.

So, that's it. I am done. This issue is brought to light and it's not up to me how it will be resolved.
All I know is that new users will be confused and frustrated if it's left like it is now.
It is not my Product, not my business and not my decision.

And all I am suggesting really is to change one... ONE sentence in the manual to create proper expectations.
Thank you all for your thoughts!

[Stevedo 6 0]

@LennyO said:

@white.mouse This is your opinion and I respect it. Mine is different, so respect that too.
But that is only half of the problem...
The phraseology in the manual regarding the "North up" map orientation is misleading.
And no matter how many people think that it's ok (for whatever reason...), the fact remains -
the current description in the manual is not clear and does not depict the current state if events.
I do not see how that could be argued or defended or ignored.

This Forum is a shakeout platform that helps developers make the product better and people discover things here and there, that Corjan and the crew may not have seen or did not get to, etc,...
I was an IT developer on Wall street for 40 years and know how that works first hand.

But to say that it's fine or turn it off or look the other way goes against my grain.
I want this product to be the best, that's why I even bother to bring it up.
Not to cause an argument or a confrontation.

The issue has to be acknowledged and then put in the queue for a fix based on the priorities.
That is the professional approach.

So, that's it. I am done. This issue is brought to light and it's not up to me how it will be resolved.
All I know is that new users will be confused and frustrated if it's left like it is now.
It is not my Product, not my business and not my decision.

And all I am suggesting really is to change one... ONE sentence in the manual to create proper expectations.
Thank you all for your thoughts!

Well said. There are a small number of, I call them MRA jihadists, on here whose approach seems to be not to accept anything that they consider to be negative feedback against MRA. I'm relatively new around here and to MRA but in my short time here I'm not the first one to have noticed this and called it out. You gave perfectly sound and reasoned feedback. The response was to keep arguing until you eventually gave up. Maybe that's the strategy? IMHO, there is far too much of people putting their fingers in their ears and saying la la la la I can't hear you. I retired from the corporate world at the age of fifty in 2013. Over time, the culture had changed to one where negative feedback, no matter how constructive, was viewed negatively and only positive feedback would be accepted. These forums often remind me of that time.

I fully appreciate the things that I've learnt from these forums and their contributors. My fear is, as you put it, unless issues are acknowledged and then put in a queue for a fix, MRA will never become the best. Right now I do not recommend MRA Next to anyone, there are too many issues. MRA planner on the other hand, at the moment, is great and I have used it extensively. I will use it to plan routes for an upcoming motorcycle trip to Australia but will continue to use those routes and tracks in my Garmin. My fear here is that MRA Planner is currently being re-written and may turn out to be not so great as a result.