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The compas direction on the elevation circle is wrong

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  • white.mouse Offline
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    wrote last edited by white.mouse
    #9

    sorry,
    Here's the link
    https://forum.myrouteapp.com/topic/11064/compass-is-not-working-properly/8?_=1785773867949
    or
    https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/81307

    met een R1250RT met TFT en BMW Connected Ride App (die dus nog steeds niet voldoet!) ;
    de Garmin Zumo XT en M.R.A. in combinatie met de Carpuride W702 (voor Android op de Motor!) en een Samsung Galaxy S24

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    • LennyO Offline
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      wrote last edited by LennyO
      #10

      Ok, thanks to all!
      I guess I needed a mental adjustment to understand that the red segment just says where the North is in relation to the direction I am traveling (to my nose... )
      That said, please confirm that the following pictures show the expected behavior of the Red segment. My map is oriented NORTH, so you can easily see in which direction I am moving. Thank you!

      IMG_0005.jpg IMG_0007.jpg IMG_0010.jpg IMG_0012.jpg IMG_0014.jpg IMG_0016.jpg

      Positive emotions are worth every penny ;)

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      • Marinus van Deudekom Offline
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        wrote last edited by
        #11

        To me that makes no sense at all. But then again I never use North up.
        Something tells me in top of that it only works when using the dynamic camera view but I'm nooit shure

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        • Marinus van Deudekom Marinus van Deudekom

          To me that makes no sense at all. But then again I never use North up.
          Something tells me in top of that it only works when using the dynamic camera view but I'm nooit shure

          LennyO Offline
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          wrote last edited by LennyO
          #12

          @Marinus-van-Deudekom The behavior of the Red segment is the same in every mode. I just verrified it on a ride this morning. In the Dynamic mode the Blue Arrow in the bottom right acts as a compass too, and it coinsides with the Red segment behavior.

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          • Corjan Meijerink Offline
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            wrote last edited by
            #13

            Agree that it looks strange in the north up view.
            The red sections points to where north is.
            Compared to your physical orientation, not the map on your screen.

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            • Corjan Meijerink Corjan Meijerink

              Agree that it looks strange in the north up view.
              The red sections points to where north is.
              Compared to your physical orientation, not the map on your screen.

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              #14

              @Corjan-Meijerink said:
              The red sections points to where north is.

              North is north is north, if the map is north up then north is up
              In north up mode should the red section on the compass not always be at the top & not change?

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              • Brian McG Brian McG

                @Corjan-Meijerink said:
                The red sections points to where north is.

                North is north is north, if the map is north up then north is up
                In north up mode should the red section on the compass not always be at the top & not change?

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                wrote last edited by LennyO
                #15

                @Brian-McG Evidently only if you are heading North all the time 🙂

                Positive emotions are worth every penny ;)

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                • StanisÅ‚aw Offline
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                  wrote last edited by
                  #16

                  I think in north-up map orientation, the red segment should simply disappear, as it is not useful 🙂

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                  Staszek

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                  • Corjan Meijerink Corjan Meijerink

                    Agree that it looks strange in the north up view.
                    The red sections points to where north is.
                    Compared to your physical orientation, not the map on your screen.

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                    wrote last edited by Brian McG
                    #17

                    @Corjan-Meijerink apologies I think I now see your logic about your physical orientation & the direction of the altitude pointer, although for me it took some mental gymnastics to get there

                    the way I think it is working is you have to discount everything else in the MRA display & treat the altitude pointer compass as a separate device, like imagining an old fashioned compass sitting on the fuel cap of your bike
                    if I am riding heading east, then north is on my left shoulder & the altitude pointer compass wil point to the left of my phone screen
                    if I am riding heading west, then north is on my right shoulder & the altitude pointer compass will point to the right of my phone screen

                    again apologies but for me it was just not an intuitive bit of UI

                    BlackView BV7100, Android 12
                    Navigate "Routes as Tracks" in Offline mode with Offline Maps
                    No Wifi, no internet, no interruptions, works well

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                    • LennyO Offline
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                      wrote last edited by
                      #18

                      I also had a hard time with this....
                      I guess the simplest way to grasp the Red segment position in relation to your movement is to imagine yourself sitting inside the elevation circle heading in the 12 o'clock direction.

                      Positive emotions are worth every penny ;)

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                      • Corjan Meijerink Offline
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                        wrote last edited by
                        #19

                        It’s completely correct! Has no relation with the map. Indeed like an actual compass strapped om your screen.

                        It makes sense but in north up it’s confusing.
                        Pinning it north or hiding it will make most sense I guess.

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                        • Con Hennekens Offline
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                          It seems current generations do not have much experience with (analogue) compasses anymore 😉

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                            If every change has to preserve the old way of doing things, innovation simply comes to a standstill 😅 Not every new design will be everyone’s favorite right away, but progress sometimes means moving on from older concepts 🧭

                            In another topic, I already mentioned that I’m not a fan of the current display. You now have to constantly think about which direction you’re heading, whereas it should be something you can understand at a glance.

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                            • Con Hennekens Con Hennekens

                              It seems current generations do not have much experience with (analogue) compasses anymore 😉

                              22626e8a-6740-4ae7-b3cd-a3251c6d8bac-image.jpeg

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                              @Con-Hennekens said:

                              It seems current generations do not have much experience with (analogue) compasses anymore 😉

                              😊 😂 🤣

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                              • CD130 CD130

                                If every change has to preserve the old way of doing things, innovation simply comes to a standstill 😅 Not every new design will be everyone’s favorite right away, but progress sometimes means moving on from older concepts 🧭

                                In another topic, I already mentioned that I’m not a fan of the current display. You now have to constantly think about which direction you’re heading, whereas it should be something you can understand at a glance.

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                                @CD130 Agree. Using a compass is to align North and then use the analogue compass to show you direction/heading you need to travel in. I then can use that dereliction to know that I and riding in the correct general direction. Knowing where North is may be fine but it is the direction of travel that matters with the app. I want a simple indication that saves me having to think.

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                                  I've never an old analogue compass at all. Maybe that is the reason why i think it is more logical that the red bar shows the direction your heading and north always is on top on the compass.
                                  If this view is used does the compass then also be more sensible in the North Up view?

                                  (I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)

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                                    @CD130 Agree. Using a compass is to align North and then use the analogue compass to show you direction/heading you need to travel in. I then can use that dereliction to know that I and riding in the correct general direction. Knowing where North is may be fine but it is the direction of travel that matters with the app. I want a simple indication that saves me having to think.

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                                    @Dave-J-0 said:
                                    I want a simple indication that saves me having to think.

                                    Well the red segment always points to the north.
                                    And the four directions have always been North - East - South - West, clockwise!
                                    How simple do yo want!

                                    kompasroos.jpg

                                    met een R1250RT met TFT en BMW Connected Ride App (die dus nog steeds niet voldoet!) ;
                                    de Garmin Zumo XT en M.R.A. in combinatie met de Carpuride W702 (voor Android op de Motor!) en een Samsung Galaxy S24

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                                    • white.mouse white.mouse

                                      @Dave-J-0 said:
                                      I want a simple indication that saves me having to think.

                                      Well the red segment always points to the north.
                                      And the four directions have always been North - East - South - West, clockwise!
                                      How simple do yo want!

                                      kompasroos.jpg

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                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #26

                                      @white.mouse Actually a compass rose like this or similar instead of just segments would help a lot!

                                      Positive emotions are worth every penny ;)

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                                      • white.mouse white.mouse

                                        @Dave-J-0 said:
                                        I want a simple indication that saves me having to think.

                                        Well the red segment always points to the north.
                                        And the four directions have always been North - East - South - West, clockwise!
                                        How simple do yo want!

                                        kompasroos.jpg

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                                        @white.mouse It is simple. As your picture shows with North up and all cardinals marked. However, remove the cardinals and have red segment (North) rotating and you have to start thinking which direction you are heading. This is the point that a lot of people are making with wanting a quick, clear idea of what direction they are travelling in, particularly as the North up view does not allow you to zoom out.

                                        A compass is not just about knowing where North is but allows you to see the direction of travel and other paper map reading uses. I use Scenic app on occasions and the compass is great because I see where North is and, at the top, is the direction of travel as S, SW, SE etc.

                                        IMG_3245.jpeg

                                        This thread also talks about the same issue (for some): https://forum.myrouteapp.com/topic/10855/compass-with-direction/5?_=1786207196667

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                                          In the current situation where the red bar shows north and the bar is on right side of the compass, you need do a conversion to conclude you are riding in west direction. When the red bar shows the direction you're heading. You instant know you're riding to the east.

                                          (I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)

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