How to Navigate Route as a Track?
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@Con-Hennekens said:
Since MRA is a scenic navigation app, it tries to have you drive as much of the preplanned route as possible and only skipps parts of it after multiple redirections.This is inherently wrong. Back on track, is back on track and no sending back to missed shapingpoints. This is very confusing for users.
You are deviating and you're guided back to the track/route. When you're near the route you see the blue routeline on the crossing ahead but it goes in both directions (left and right). The navigation tells you to go right. But why is the blue routeline also going left?
But okay, I turn right and after a mile I reached a shappingpoint. Then the navigation tells me to turn around and go back. So taking the left direction was the right one after all. What was the point to send me back to that point?
Did i miss something, besides a shapping point?
A must see?A basic principle of a shapping point it shapes the route nothing more and because of that it is allowed to be missed. The navigation should use this principle and not sending me back to a missed shapping point.
@M.-Schrijver I completely agree with you... we're talking about the same issue repeatedly in several different posts on this forum, and they all boil down to the same question from users... why does it redirect to previous points that are just passing through (not mandatory stops)...?
(As you mentioned, hopefully these things will be fixed in the next update)... it's essential that a navigation system takes you forward on your route as a general rule... and only as an exception should you select to be taken to a previous point on the route you've planned...
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I think at this point there is still no clarity in understanding the process and setting the expectations. Maybe a good detailed write up from the mothership is in order to cover all the questions asked and clarifying misunderstandings.
I navigate route as a track and have had situations where my next way point is North of me, so I should turn left at the intersection, but the Nav sends me to the Right (South) just to do a U-turn a mile down the road (at the SHAPING POINT I MISSED) and then head North to the next way point. That is wrong no matter how you look at it. A Shaping Point should not be forced so hard, right?
Of course I can long press the next way point and get around the issue, or skip the one I missed, but should I have to do that?
Using Navigation should make my life easier, not to be second guessing every instruction it gives me to see if it still makes sense.
Agree / DIsagree?
Thank you!@Lenny-O I completely agree with what you're saying... it's not normal to be using a browser and constantly be asked... (should I zoom out and press skip points) or wait?? I'm sorry, that solution could be much better
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@M.-Schrijver, we are not starting that discussion again.
@Con-Hennekens When several users in different posts keep bringing up this discussion again, it's for a reason... it's not just a coincidence... perhaps there are things that can be improved...
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These discussions are a valuable tool for the development crew to get information.
All in all the product is the BEST on the market hands down, but we still need to appreciate the fact that it is a living and developing product, unlike most others who produce it and never improve it. There will be growing pains and they will eventually get resolved. Corjan an the whole crew are working very hard on the next release, which will be BIG! And, of course, priorities, priorities, priorities.
Coming from 40 years of IT back office programming servicing Wall Street I can totally relate. So, yes, some issues are frustrating at times, but let's all keep the positive attitude and feed constructive criticism down the pipe!
Ride on and smile inside your helmets, folks! -
I think the same as you... that we, the end users, can use this forum to give suggestions and contributions so that they can continue improving the best navigation app. With what we've discussed about starting the route forward here and in other posts, plus what other people on the forum have suggested for improvements in how speed camera notifications are handled, I would honestly be satisfied...
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@Con-Hennekens When several users in different posts keep bringing up this discussion again, it's for a reason... it's not just a coincidence... perhaps there are things that can be improved...
@coupe_vs, It is already explained many times why things are as they are. That's why I am not going into that specific discussion again. I have no doubt that when HERE adds track awareness to their platform, the MRA team will embrace it. Until then it is no use to keep bringing it up, especially by people who already know about it. This is one of those things that cannot be improved until HERE improves it.
For the rest I completely agree with you. This forum is where many ideas have started. Some of my own. And that is certainly valuable and appreciated al lot by the dev team too.
it's not normal to be using a browser and constantly be asked... (should I zoom out and press skip points) or wait?? I'm sorry, that solution could be much better
Is this meant as an analogy? I don't understand it.
I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
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@coupe_vs, It is already explained many times why things are as they are. That's why I am not going into that specific discussion again. I have no doubt that when HERE adds track awareness to their platform, the MRA team will embrace it. Until then it is no use to keep bringing it up, especially by people who already know about it. This is one of those things that cannot be improved until HERE improves it.
For the rest I completely agree with you. This forum is where many ideas have started. Some of my own. And that is certainly valuable and appreciated al lot by the dev team too.
it's not normal to be using a browser and constantly be asked... (should I zoom out and press skip points) or wait?? I'm sorry, that solution could be much better
Is this meant as an analogy? I don't understand it.
@Con-Hennekens Let's not get frustrated, my friend!
We all appreciate your help in so many posts and so many ways! Great job!
A couple of things I'd like to mention on the subject.-
I, for one, had no idea that the issue really is with HERE until you just mentioned it above.
My ignorance? Maybe... as I do not follow the Forum closely enough to be aware of many things, and I suspect many others do not either. -
As MRA membership is growing and more people are using the product (Yay!) it is inevitable that the same questions will pop up. Even if new users read the manuals, check the Forum and most importantly REMEMBER and RETAIN the info from time to time they actually use the Nav.
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So, MAYBE there is a way to make some posts with explanations a "sticky" or create a "Most popular questions" section and have the explanation of common issues placed there.
This way you or anyone else trying to help out can just give the requester a link to the appropriate place with explanation. -
Even if a user (new or existing) is doing their best to search for answers to their question in the Forum, unless the search criteria is worded "just so", there is a good chance that no answer will be found. (don't ask me how I know...)
Hope I did not take too much of your time, folks!
Positive emotions are worth every penny ;)
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@Con-Hennekens Let's not get frustrated, my friend!
We all appreciate your help in so many posts and so many ways! Great job!
A couple of things I'd like to mention on the subject.-
I, for one, had no idea that the issue really is with HERE until you just mentioned it above.
My ignorance? Maybe... as I do not follow the Forum closely enough to be aware of many things, and I suspect many others do not either. -
As MRA membership is growing and more people are using the product (Yay!) it is inevitable that the same questions will pop up. Even if new users read the manuals, check the Forum and most importantly REMEMBER and RETAIN the info from time to time they actually use the Nav.
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So, MAYBE there is a way to make some posts with explanations a "sticky" or create a "Most popular questions" section and have the explanation of common issues placed there.
This way you or anyone else trying to help out can just give the requester a link to the appropriate place with explanation. -
Even if a user (new or existing) is doing their best to search for answers to their question in the Forum, unless the search criteria is worded "just so", there is a good chance that no answer will be found. (don't ask me how I know...)
Hope I did not take too much of your time, folks!
@Lenny-O, it takes more than this to get me frustrated
I understand that you (like most users) were not aware, but you were not targeted by my comment Thanks for your suggestions. That's food for thought for the forum admin.
I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.
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@Lenny-O, it takes more than this to get me frustrated
I understand that you (like most users) were not aware, but you were not targeted by my comment Thanks for your suggestions. That's food for thought for the forum admin.
@Con-Hennekens All good, my friend! Keep up good work!
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@coupe_vs, It is already explained many times why things are as they are. That's why I am not going into that specific discussion again. I have no doubt that when HERE adds track awareness to their platform, the MRA team will embrace it. Until then it is no use to keep bringing it up, especially by people who already know about it. This is one of those things that cannot be improved until HERE improves it.
For the rest I completely agree with you. This forum is where many ideas have started. Some of my own. And that is certainly valuable and appreciated al lot by the dev team too.
it's not normal to be using a browser and constantly be asked... (should I zoom out and press skip points) or wait?? I'm sorry, that solution could be much better
Is this meant as an analogy? I don't understand it.
As I mentioned in my previous post last week, we discussed this issue extensively in this forum, and no one mentioned that it was an inherent problem with Here.
In fact, I personally was unaware until you mentioned it that the problem stemmed from Here and its behavior. I was already wondering why the only solution was to zoom out and manually skip points to the next real point on your pre-designed route. In that case, let's hope Here corrects this issue and the improvement can be implemented in future versions of MRA.
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@con-hennekens was targeting me. Because he knows i know about this limition of Here. But that is no reason to put this point aside. It needs to be fixed.
This is a huge limition of Here. If you ask me, MRA should never had choosen Here to be the foundation of their platform. What MRA did with it is amazing. They build a very good platform. Which is very nice to use. No complains there. But Here is holding the navigation quality of MRA back. For me it feels like navigating with a Zumo 350 (about 10-15 years ago). For that time a good device. But not anymore.(I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)
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I agree completely with you... I was never a big Garmin fan; I think the TomTom base station is generally better... in any case, it's just my personal opinion, nothing more.
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@con-hennekens was targeting me. Because he knows i know about this limition of Here. But that is no reason to put this point aside. It needs to be fixed.
This is a huge limition of Here. If you ask me, MRA should never had choosen Here to be the foundation of their platform. What MRA did with it is amazing. They build a very good platform. Which is very nice to use. No complains there. But Here is holding the navigation quality of MRA back. For me it feels like navigating with a Zumo 350 (about 10-15 years ago). For that time a good device. But not anymore.@M.-Schrijver, "targeting" does sind a little harsh
but I deliberately kept it nameless, to not spark anything. Actually, the Zumo 350 (like all Zumo's) do a great job of continuing the track when you reach it Zumo's have other deficits though... We agree however on how valuable it would be of MRA could do that thing like Zumo's handle it. -
When the setting "Automatic recalculations" is off the ETA info disappears when I deviate from the track. When I reenter the track the ETA info reappears. So somewhere in the system it is known whether we are on the track or not. Of coarse I don't know where this is and wether MRA can get this info or not.
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