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OK. So here's my original route, (377.32 miles) I hope it's public
https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/13569227
When I use expand to add just one more point (15, up from 14) it becomes 480.85 miles and point 8 has been added between poins 5 and 6, both of which are on the correct side of the road.@Martin-Woodford try deleting the 2 points on the UK side of the channel then use the expand function
I think the ferry / tunnel maybe has something to do with the order / timing in this example getting really mixed up
after I did that then it was just the usual overpass errors -
Hi @brian-mcg
Thank you. Yes, that works. I very much appreciate the experience you've shared in this thread.
However - to the MRA team, the expand function is part of what we pay for. I don't expect to have to rely on the knowledge and goodwill of forum members to make something work properly. -
OK. So here's my original route, (377.32 miles) I hope it's public
https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/13569227
When I use expand to add just one more point (15, up from 14) it becomes 480.85 miles and point 8 has been added between poins 5 and 6, both of which are on the correct side of the road.@Martin-Woodford The first impression on opening your route
You can see that the point 6, 7 and 8 are not in a logical order resulting in a dark black line as I suspected
next problem is indeed like @brian-mcg suspected the starting point on the other end off the tunnel / ferry witch resulted in the route being verry long. Deleting the first 2 points will result in the route being expanded like you want. In my case I expanded to 20 points.
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Hi @brian-mcg
Thank you. Yes, that works. I very much appreciate the experience you've shared in this thread.
However - to the MRA team, the expand function is part of what we pay for. I don't expect to have to rely on the knowledge and goodwill of forum members to make something work properly.@Martin-Woodford I have to put in a good word for the team. As you can see part of the failure was due to a mistake in your route. The other part is that you didn't know that expanding a route in witch a tunnel or Ferry plays a roll, you"ll get strange results. So no mistake by MRA.
Beeing a RouteXpert myself I must confess, witch rarely happens, that I didn't know the Ferry bit myself. -
Absolutely not. This is my original 14 point route
https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/13569227 -
The new point number 8 can be identified as an MRA expand point because it's labelled "waypoint" the ones I manually placed have road numbers
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I don't see how "expanding a route in witch a tunnel or Ferry plays a roll, you"ll get strange results. So no mistake by MRA" can be the case. Why should a tunnel or ferry mean the results are strange ? I'm in Norway at the moment, there are hundreds of tunnels and ferries should I expect strange results everytime one is on my route ?
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The problem occurs when you expansie the route.
In your original route you can see that the order of the shapingpoints is not logical. See my screenshot. -
Hi @marinus-van-deudekom
Thanks for your comments. The screenshot you show is from the expanded route. This is my original 14 point, 377.32 mile route. In a moment I'll expand it in MRA and screenshot it again (MRA makes the changes in realtime and I don't know how to save versions of the original and expanded route)
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Hi @marinus-van-deudekom
This is the expanded version. Please note the location of the new waypoint 8 and it's description.
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I will now reset the original in MRA
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I don't see how "expanding a route in witch a tunnel or Ferry plays a roll, you"ll get strange results. So no mistake by MRA" can be the case. Why should a tunnel or ferry mean the results are strange ? I'm in Norway at the moment, there are hundreds of tunnels and ferries should I expect strange results everytime one is on my route ?
@Martin-Woodford the web site planner is pretty long in the tooth, you can holler at the moon for what it is worth but nothing is going to be updated with the current version
there are plans for a complete revamp of the web site planner, what the time line is I have no clueMRA is only a small team & they do not have the resources to fix all the old issues like this & also produce a new revamped planner
till the new site update, I am sorry but you will just have to learn to keep an eye on the mileage -
Hi @marinus-van-deudekom
Did you find a problem with my original 14 point route ?
If you expand it to 15 points do you get the same problem with the new waypoint 8 ?
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Hi @marinus-van-deudekom
Did you find a problem with my original 14 point route ?
If you expand it to 15 points do you get the same problem with the new waypoint 8 ?
Thanks@Martin-Woodford Yes I did because points 6, 7 and 8 were not in a logical order. In my screenshot you'll see the dark black line
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In my case, the original route was fine, and I double checked it using the ''simulation" feature. The problem occurred only after expanding. There was, however, a ferry involved in the route. Apparently the 'expand' feature does not like water!
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Hi @don-stauffer
My original was fine as well (see posts #21 and #22 above).
In the absence of anything from MRA it looks like the very useful and helpful tips from @brian-mcg are the way to go. -
Unless you have us the wrong route to start with you seem to be unable to notice your own mistake
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Hi @marinus-van-deudekom
I tried, but clearly failed, to explain the situation in posts #21 and #22 above. As I said in post #23 the route is now set to my original 14 waypoints (including start and end), 377.32 miles.
For your own satisfaction maybe you'd like to try opening it and using expand increase the number of waypoints to 15. See what happens. -
The expand function is not much more than placing new route points at calculated intervals. There is no AI or human logic incorporated. Logic you will need to apply yourself afterwards. I doubt that that will ever change. Therefore I always place my own route points. The expand function adds too many anyway. As far as I am concerned, it does not return on the new web planner at all.
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The expand function is not much more than placing new route points at calculated intervals. There is no AI or human logic incorporated. Logic you will need to apply yourself afterwards. I doubt that that will ever change. Therefore I always place my own route points. The expand function adds too many anyway. As far as I am concerned, it does not return on the new web planner at all.
@Con-Hennekens said:
As far as I am concerned, it does not return on the new web planner at all.In another thread you asked why I would worry about the baby being thrown out with the bath water with the new web planner
The omission of the expand function would be the sort of thing that for me would be not an upgrade/update but a downgrade, the baby going out
The expand function is not perfect but it does have it's uses & people do use it
An smarter cleverer expand function is what the new planner should have if the new planner is to be an improvement
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