<![CDATA[Expand]]>I've had two problems lately using the expand function.
I created one long route which I then broke into smaller, day sized rides using the split function. I then expanded the number of waypoints in the split routes. On multiple occasions MRA added higher numbered waypoints between the lower numbered ones which had been part of my original planning. This had the effect of making the routes hundreds of kms longer than they were originally and me going back and forth on myself - luckily I saw the problem before I actually set out to ride the routes. On another occassion MRA added a waypoint on an overbridge above the route I planned, this time I didn't notice it before hand and I started out on a wild goose chase before I realised what had happened.

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/topic/11160/expandRSS for NodeMon, 10 Aug 2026 17:55:45 GMTFri, 12 Jun 2026 19:03:41 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Fri, 03 Jul 2026 06:58:27 GMT]]>I also find the Expand feature to be extremely frustrating at times. Here's an example where I created a 293.63km route with 8 waypoints. I currently export my routes to my Garmin 595 so want to Expand the route to include some extra shaping points. I Expand the route to 15 points total and the new route goes from 293.63km to 553.54km!!!! Note that my original points are all in the correct order.

I sure hope that this feature can both be retained and improved in the new planner as when it works it can be very useful.

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]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/80459https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/80459Fri, 03 Jul 2026 06:58:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Mon, 29 Jun 2026 22:03:48 GMT]]>

@Con-Hennekens said:
As far as I am concerned, it does not return on the new web planner at all.

In another thread you asked why I would worry about the baby being thrown out with the bath water with the new web planner
The omission of the expand function would be the sort of thing that for me would be not an upgrade/update but a downgrade, the baby going out 😂

The expand function is not perfect but it does have it's uses & people do use it
An smarter cleverer expand function is what the new planner should have if the new planner is to be an improvement

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/80284https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/80284Mon, 29 Jun 2026 22:03:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Sun, 21 Jun 2026 11:09:56 GMT]]>The expand function is not much more than placing new route points at calculated intervals. There is no AI or human logic incorporated. Logic you will need to apply yourself afterwards. I doubt that that will ever change. Therefore I always place my own route points. The expand function adds too many anyway. As far as I am concerned, it does not return on the new web planner at all.

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79796https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79796Sun, 21 Jun 2026 11:09:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Fri, 19 Jun 2026 15:51:15 GMT]]>Hi @marinus-van-deudekom
I tried, but clearly failed, to explain the situation in posts #21 and #22 above. As I said in post #23 the route is now set to my original 14 waypoints (including start and end), 377.32 miles.
For your own satisfaction maybe you'd like to try opening it and using expand increase the number of waypoints to 15. See what happens.

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79721https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79721Fri, 19 Jun 2026 15:51:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Fri, 19 Jun 2026 07:27:29 GMT]]>Unless you have us the wrong route to start with you seem to be unable to notice your own mistake

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79705https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79705Fri, 19 Jun 2026 07:27:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Fri, 19 Jun 2026 04:17:42 GMT]]>Hi @don-stauffer
My original was fine as well (see posts #21 and #22 above).
In the absence of anything from MRA it looks like the very useful and helpful tips from @brian-mcg are the way to go.

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79698https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79698Fri, 19 Jun 2026 04:17:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Fri, 19 Jun 2026 00:26:12 GMT]]>In my case, the original route was fine, and I double checked it using the ''simulation" feature. The problem occurred only after expanding. There was, however, a ferry involved in the route. Apparently the 'expand' feature does not like water!

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79697https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79697Fri, 19 Jun 2026 00:26:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 17:10:54 GMT]]>@Martin-Woodford Yes I did because points 6, 7 and 8 were not in a logical order. In my screenshot you'll see the dark black line

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79686https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79686Thu, 18 Jun 2026 17:10:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Thu, 18 Jun 2026 16:12:51 GMT]]>Hi @marinus-van-deudekom
Did you find a problem with my original 14 point route ?
If you expand it to 15 points do you get the same problem with the new waypoint 8 ?
Thanks

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79684https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79684Thu, 18 Jun 2026 16:12:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 20:08:46 GMT]]>@Martin-Woodford the web site planner is pretty long in the tooth, you can holler at the moon for what it is worth but nothing is going to be updated with the current version
there are plans for a complete revamp of the web site planner, what the time line is I have no clue

MRA is only a small team & they do not have the resources to fix all the old issues like this & also produce a new revamped planner
till the new site update, I am sorry but you will just have to learn to keep an eye on the mileage

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79655https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79655Wed, 17 Jun 2026 20:08:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 18:45:54 GMT]]>I will now reset the original in MRA

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79652https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79652Wed, 17 Jun 2026 18:45:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 18:45:01 GMT]]>Hi @marinus-van-deudekom
This is the expanded version. Please note the location of the new waypoint 8 and it's description.

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]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79651https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79651Wed, 17 Jun 2026 18:45:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 18:41:32 GMT]]>Hi @marinus-van-deudekom
Thanks for your comments. The screenshot you show is from the expanded route. This is my original 14 point, 377.32 mile route. In a moment I'll expand it in MRA and screenshot it again (MRA makes the changes in realtime and I don't know how to save versions of the original and expanded route)

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]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79650https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79650Wed, 17 Jun 2026 18:41:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 18:32:14 GMT]]>The problem occurs when you expansie the route.
In your original route you can see that the order of the shapingpoints is not logical. See my screenshot.

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79649https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79649Wed, 17 Jun 2026 18:32:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:58:38 GMT]]>I don't see how "expanding a route in witch a tunnel or Ferry plays a roll, you"ll get strange results. So no mistake by MRA" can be the case. Why should a tunnel or ferry mean the results are strange ? I'm in Norway at the moment, there are hundreds of tunnels and ferries should I expect strange results everytime one is on my route ?

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79647https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79647Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:58:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:52:59 GMT]]>The new point number 8 can be identified as an MRA expand point because it's labelled "waypoint" the ones I manually placed have road numbers

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79645https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79645Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:52:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:50:29 GMT]]>Absolutely not. This is my original 14 point route
https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/13569227

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79644https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79644Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:50:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:46:06 GMT]]>@Martin-Woodford I have to put in a good word for the team. As you can see part of the failure was due to a mistake in your route. The other part is that you didn't know that expanding a route in witch a tunnel or Ferry plays a roll, you"ll get strange results. So no mistake by MRA.
Beeing a RouteXpert myself I must confess, witch rarely happens, that I didn't know the Ferry bit myself.

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79643https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79643Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:46:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:42:19 GMT]]>@Martin-Woodford The first impression on opening your route
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You can see that the point 6, 7 and 8 are not in a logical order resulting in a dark black line as I suspected

next problem is indeed like @brian-mcg suspected the starting point on the other end off the tunnel / ferry witch resulted in the route being verry long. Deleting the first 2 points will result in the route being expanded like you want. In my case I expanded to 20 points.
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]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79642https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79642Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:42:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:39:58 GMT]]>Hi @brian-mcg
Thank you. Yes, that works. I very much appreciate the experience you've shared in this thread.
However - to the MRA team, the expand function is part of what we pay for. I don't expect to have to rely on the knowledge and goodwill of forum members to make something work properly.

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79641https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79641Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:39:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:28:21 GMT]]>@Martin-Woodford try deleting the 2 points on the UK side of the channel then use the expand function
I think the ferry / tunnel maybe has something to do with the order / timing in this example getting really mixed up
after I did that then it was just the usual overpass errors

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79640https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79640Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:28:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:03:03 GMT]]>OK. So here's my original route, (377.32 miles) I hope it's public
https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/13569227
When I use expand to add just one more point (15, up from 14) it becomes 480.85 miles and point 8 has been added between poins 5 and 6, both of which are on the correct side of the road.

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79639https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79639Wed, 17 Jun 2026 17:03:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 16:59:32 GMT]]>

@Marinus-van-Deudekom said:
That can only happen if your route contained some faults like your shaping points not put in the correct order.

Sorry @marinus-van-deudekom this is not true, when using the expand function it can incorrectly place a point, possibly on top of a bridge / overpass or on the wrong side of a divider on the exit of a round about
These errors will lead to the route changing, sometimes quite significantly

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79638https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79638Wed, 17 Jun 2026 16:59:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Expand on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 16:38:27 GMT]]>@Martin-Woodford looking at your original post you asked how it is possible that shaping points added to the route where placed in a wrong order.
That can only happen if your route contained some faults like your shaping points not put in the correct order. This happens when you double a piece of the route. That can ben seen by the darker black line in your route.
Please share the url from one of those routes so we can help you. Make sure it's set to public.
The expand function only puts extra points between points from the original

]]>https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79633https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/79633Wed, 17 Jun 2026 16:38:27 GMT