Placement of waypoints
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@D-Griffin I don't want to come across as a high school teacher...
I mean it in a friendly way, but it's really a difference between operating Google maps and operating route planning tools. It would be easier for you (and for some who are going to help you) if you would become familiar with correct terms (wording).As @Con-Hennekens explained:
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a route is a collection of (limited) routepoints, which are entered over a map during planning. The navigation tool is using the map and the roads in, to calculate the way to the next route point over that streets. And will give you instructions how to ride.
Often such points are called imprecise as "Waypoints". -
a track is a collection of trackpoints, which can also be entered over a map. Or can be recorded during ride by navigation tool (MyRoute-App calls it then Tracklog).
The navigation tool is using that points, to draw a line as overlay on the map. It does not have the need of a map to draw the line, because the points are close to each other. And therefore the navigation tool can not guide you! Exception: MyRoute-App can do it
Routepoints can get a name (and in MyRoute-App also a description) and will presented on the map. But a Trackpoint can't get a name and will not presented on the map (only a line from one to the next trackpoint).
- third type of a point (along gpx rules) is the real Waypoint. It can be entered simply as POI; then it's only visible as point on the map. Or it will be entered additionally as Routepoint; then it is also included in the route and affects the route.
May it sounds a bit complicated, but it is not. You may plan a route, save it as gpx file on your computer. Then open this file by an Text editor; it's readable and you can find the terms:
<wpt> which is a description of a way point, means a POI, which is not a route point!
There can be a couple of such way points in the file.
<rte> which is the beginning of a description of a route with a couple (min. 2) of <rtept> which each is a route point.
<trk> which is the beginning of a description of a track with many <trkpt> which each is a track point.I tried to keep it simpl; some experts may not 100% agree. It's not necessary to understand everything in such a file. But it gives a you glimpse of the official terms and how to use it in discussions.
@Guzzist said in Placement of waypoints:
Often such points are called imprecise as "Waypoints".
100% agree - and that's exactly what causes a lot of misunderstandings.
Many planning/navigation tools confuse the terms "route points" and "waypoints". Unfortunately, MRA is also inconsistent: while the RouteExperts documentation always refers to "route points" (which is in line with the GPX specification), the UI of the web planner and the app refer to "waypoints" when they actually mean "route points".
It would be helpful to stick closely to the GPX specification in terms of terminology; this could be implemented in MRA at some point.
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A waypoint is just a location on a map. A route point is a waypoint that forms a route with other waypoints. A routepoint is just a type of waypoint.
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A waypoint is just a location on a map. A route point is a waypoint that forms a route with other waypoints. A routepoint is just a type of waypoint.
@Con-Hennekens said in Placement of waypoints:
A routepoint is just a type of waypoint.
No.
According to the GPX specification, both have the same data type (<wptType>), but one is a <wpt> and the other is a <rtept>. Same data type, different objects. -
For illustration, here is an example from my last planning session:
In this route, I'm about to add a fuel stop. By opening the "POI > search" tab and selecting "Fuel", a gas station symbol pops up.
I can now add this
- As a Waypoint, this will be part of my route
- As a POI, this will not be part of my route but a separate spot/point
When saving as GPX, 1. becomes a route point <rtept> while 2. becomes a waypoint <wpt>
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For illustration, here is an example from my last planning session:
In this route, I'm about to add a fuel stop. By opening the "POI > search" tab and selecting "Fuel", a gas station symbol pops up.
I can now add this
- As a Waypoint, this will be part of my route
- As a POI, this will not be part of my route but a separate spot/point
When saving as GPX, 1. becomes a route point <rtept> while 2. becomes a waypoint <wpt>
@Martin-Wilcke that's incorrect. Option 2 will just add a visible point on the map and had no effect what so ever on the route. The RouteXperts add those POI's in every viapoint in the route. That viapoint is something important in the route like a castle, museum gasstation etc
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@Martin-Wilcke that's incorrect. Option 2 will just add a visible point on the map and had no effect what so ever on the route. The RouteXperts add those POI's in every viapoint in the route. That viapoint is something important in the route like a castle, museum gasstation etc
@Marinus-van-Deudekom said in Placement of waypoints:
that's incorrect. Option 2 will just add a visible point on the map and had no effect what so ever on the route.
That's what I said: 2. is not part of the route. What exactly is incorrect?
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@Marinus-van-Deudekom said in Placement of waypoints:
that's incorrect. Option 2 will just add a visible point on the map and had no effect what so ever on the route.
That's what I said: 2. is not part of the route. What exactly is incorrect?
@Martin-Wilcke indeed Martin, misread your post
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@Con-Hennekens said in Placement of waypoints:
A routepoint is just a type of waypoint.
No.
According to the GPX specification, both have the same data type (<wptType>), but one is a <wpt> and the other is a <rtept>. Same data type, different objects.@Martin-Wilcke said in Placement of waypoints:
No.
According to the GPX specification, both have the same data type (<wptType>), but one is a <wpt> and the other is a <rtept>. Same data type, different objects.Yes.
Both have the same datatype because they are both waypoints...
And of course they have different node names, because the need to be treated differently.
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@Martin-Wilcke said in Placement of waypoints:
No.
According to the GPX specification, both have the same data type (<wptType>), but one is a <wpt> and the other is a <rtept>. Same data type, different objects.Yes.
Both have the same datatype because they are both waypoints...
And of course they have different node names, because the need to be treated differently.@Con-Hennekens
I'm aware of this description, and it's likely the root cause of all this confusion because it mixes up elements and types.This becomes clear when you take a look at the schemas:
<wpt> is an element, <rtept> is a different element. Both have the same type (<wptType>).
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@Martin-Wilcke said in Placement of waypoints:
No.
According to the GPX specification, both have the same data type (<wptType>), but one is a <wpt> and the other is a <rtept>. Same data type, different objects.Yes.
Both have the same datatype because they are both waypoints...
And of course they have different node names, because the need to be treated differently.A Trackpoint (<trkpt>) has the same type <wptType>, but you wouldn't call a track point a waypoint, right?
