MRA Routeplanner using by default gravel roads

[Thomas Scharrer]

@Nick-Carthew I tried one more time because I felt totally stupid and now it happened again, here is the shared route

https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/8241032?mode=share

feel free to switch between the HERE map and the open map

[Nick Carthew]

@Thomas-Scharrer Interesting. The route that I made has now changed and looks like yours now. If I turn the traffic overlay on it shows a black line to indicate a road closure.

I checked this on the TomTom MyDrive website and on Google maps and neither of them show a road closure. Just some roadworks on the roundabout.

The route is ok again if you use the Disable Seasonal Closures tool.

I know that this isn't the perfect solution but it works.
You can report road problems directly to the HERE map using this link: https://mapfeedback.here.com/#/report
I have already reported it but the more people that report it then the more likely that HERE will do something about it.

[Thomas Scharrer]

@Nick-Carthew thanks a lot for looking into this, I thought already I am crazy.
I will experiment with this seasonal closure feature and the traffic overlay on some of my routes where I had such issues.

[Con Hennekens]

I think it is not very handy that the seasonal closures also handle the maintenance closures. Especially when you live in an area where REAL seasonal closures are no issue, the function poses more problems than they solve. It would be great if these two things could be split, but I guess that they are handled also by HERE as one thing. Maybe it is better to rename this function to "Temporary road closures", and skip the seasonal part.

[Nick Carthew]

@Con-Hennekens I don’t think that there is a temporary road closure at this location. I checked two other maps and did an internet search. The problem lies with the HERE map not the Seasonal Closures tool. All we can do as a community is keep reporting these problems.

[Con Hennekens]

@Nick-Carthew, yes, but the other sources could be wrong too. I don't think it is wise to claim changes by anyone then someone who has seen the situation at hand himself.

But what I really meant is that Seasonable closures are principally different from temporary maintenance closures. It deserves a specific category. If I choose to disable temporary maintenance closure, it is odd that I could be let over a snowey mountain pass or vice versa. Also there is nothing seasonal about maintenance road closures. But yes, probably only whishful thinking on my part

[Thomas Scharrer]

@Con-Hennekens
@Nick-Carthew
I have checked now several of my routes which were totally messed up when using the HERE map and I have to say I am happy again because it seems the seasonal closure function is the only reason for all the mess.

I my opinion there is something wrong in general with this function because I had such issues as described above quite often with the here map and now having disabled this function no problem anymore.

Regarding the specific example above, I can assure you that that this road is not even closed, meaning this is not a full road closure and for sure not a seasonal one. I have also checked the official traffic information from the norwegian traffic department and there is nothing mentioned for this road with respect to closure etc. whihc means the road is open.

Based on this I would suggest to just forget about the seasonal closure function for the time being because without that everything seems to work. Maybe later the function will be improved but I can live without it. In nOrway we have seasonal closures for mountain roads etc so its much more reliable to check for those the official norwegian sources I think.

[Thomas Scharrer]

@Con-Hennekens
@Nick-Carthew

here is another example not far from the above location.
I could give you 20 such cases without problem.

This road is also for sure not closed.

Also when I switch on and off the traffic overlay, it looks like the whole norway has a problem because everything turns red so not sure if these functions should be trusted.

[Con Hennekens]

@Thomas-Scharrer, That's very strange... In the netherlands this is not so problematic for sure. I have no idea Why this is such a mess for HERE in Norway. I think however that disabling (in general) seasonal closures for avoiding maintenance closures IS a big problem, because being guided over closed mountain roads can lead to VERY substantial detours. For you, for the time being, there does not seem to be an alternative I am afraid.

[Dave J 0]

@Con-Hennekens makes sense to me.

[Hans van de Ven MR.MRA]

@Thomas-Scharrer
@Con-Hennekens
@Nick-Carthew

It could be a time closure, between 23:00 and 07:00 and that is the time in Norway. So when you open the route in another country it can be that the route no wil go over a particular road

I had that in Norway in Rondane NP. I looked at the route in Navigation at 05:00 and the road was closed. I looked later 07:00 and the road was open.
The do that for the animal life, so that there is no traffic on particular roads

[Con Hennekens]

@Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master, That makes sense. It ads to the difficulty of planning routes, but for sure is a better reason than the closure for motorcycles we see in the Netherlands Do you happen to know if in the planning phase local-time of your location is used or local time of the location where you are planning?

[Hans van de Ven MR.MRA]

@Con-Hennekens

I suspect the local time you set on your account page

[Herko ter Horst]

@Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master I'm pretty sure it's just the local time of the device you are using to edit the route.

I've already made the suggestion in the past that it would be extremely useful if the "departure time" setting for a route was actually used for planning, so you can plan summer drives in the mountains during winter time or daytime drives in the evening. As far as I remember, I think the response was that the API/service used by MRA to do planning on multiple maps doesn't support such a feature, even if the underlying maps (OSM, HERE and TomTom) do.

[Thomas Scharrer]

@Herko-ter-Horst this would make sense because it happens quite often I think that you plan a tour weeks or even months before, at least I do. I am also not riding during the night normally but then it happens that I am sitting at home and planning tours which will be driven during daytime.

[Con Hennekens]

@Herko-ter-Horst, yes that would really be great!