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Of all the major maps available (Google, Apple. TomTom, OSM), HERE is the least reliable. As has been noted in several threads, the status of closed/open roads is continuously missed, out of date POI's remain on the maps for years, and unexplainable route calculations happen too often. Adding to the list, I recently found a HERE cartography error where sections of a road are actually in the wrong place. In the nutshell, HERE is HERE, and none of these significant deficiencies are going to change. Realistically, MRA is too functionally married to HERE to simply change vendors. MRA is painfully aware of the situation, but their hands are tied and they have no other choice than to make to best of the situation. Given the situation, as users of MRA, there are things we can do to somewhat mitigate the pain. The easiest is to perform all you your road status checks outside of MRA. Google and Apple provide accurate up-to-date road information that can easily be checked during route development. Additionally, if the HERE map won't let you route through a road that you know is open, and passing through that road is critical to your trip, consider using OSM as the base map. Unfortunately, this will only work if you're using a GPS instead of the NN phone app for route execution, but at least that choice is there for those it applies to. There are many tricks-and-tips for HERE workarounds posted throughout the forum. Many are very cleaver. It would be helpful if all those could somehow be consolidated and documented in one place for reference. I think that would be about the best we could get given the situation.

Yes, we have already driven about 300 km each for two days with the latest version V5.2.1(488), runs very well in the mobile phone applications so in the MRA... Thank you for that —- Ja wir sind jetzt schon zwei Tage jeweils ca. 300 km mit der neusten Version V5.2.1(488) gefahren, läuft sehr gut in der Handy Anwendungen also in der MRA… Danke dafür [image: 1785786128819-img_0676.jpeg]

Go to your Routelab account page and change the language to Italian. Then click on Support and you'll see the manuals are in Italian as well. Small warning while you're in there: it took me ages to get into my Routelab account at all last summer. I was on the road, and hotel and campsite wifi kept dying halfway through the login — I was convinced my account was broken. It was the network, not the site. Put a VPN on the laptop with an endpoint back home and it loaded first try, every time since. Picking one took longer than fixing the problem though, most reviews are just marketing. The roundup on https://kiesly.nl was the only one that actually compared them on speed and stability. Handy if you plan routes from abroad.

@John-S-Parry Hi John you just keep doing what works for you, but for the potential benefit of others, let me outline a real worked scenario, such that if you used OSM for planning and Here for navigation on a Garmin device you would get unexpected results. I was making some routes for trip to Spain a few years ago when I happened upon a wonky piece of Garmin "Here" mapping on Basecamp. [image: 1786189298995-3543770f-3b98-4866-b327-ce2732d48e1a-image.jpeg] This is the offending bit of road. Tried to route past it and the route was doing a massive detour to get to the other side of the (non existent) gap! [image: 1786189489166-20155884-3f6e-47b9-8f87-a97785394bc7-image.jpeg] Road looks absolutely fine on google street view. To make the route run as intended you need to put a section of direct navigation in the route to cover the mapping defect. [image: 1786189798074-06bd29c0-8887-4679-92b2-8adad577a647-image.jpeg] [image: 1786189846592-e9801f26-36de-461b-a14b-0d76e6568166-image.jpeg] If you were using MRA for route creation you'd achieve the same effect by using the little Skip Icon. This allowed the route to be completed. [image: 1786190057627-24a3c8a1-c38c-4be6-89a3-402079b2c843-image.jpeg] If you had used OSM to plan the route in this scenario then tried to run it on a Garmin Zumo you'd wonder why the massive detour. This isn't an isolated case I've found (and reported) several such breaks usually on minor roads, in Ireland, central Scotland and rural France. With regards to the RUT behaviour. I've used Garmin GPS devices since buying a Streetpilot 2610 in 2004 and still run a Zumo 390 and 340 on my venerable BMW R1150GS. I never joined any navigation forums until my wife bought me a ZumoXT as a retirement present. I could not understand how routes I had run on previous devices were now doing very odd things including trying to take me back to previously passed or missed shaping or skipped, via points RUT behaviour. Why was this? Well Ireland is covered in lots of very narrow meandering single track roads, which are the sort I prefer to ride on. Because of this routes have to have lots of shaping points as with the more recent Garmin navigators you are constantly fighting the internal routing algorithm to get the Zumo's to navigate minor roads. In addition, many of my routes contain optional loops to allow for slower than intended progress, for whatever reason, which means that via points and shaping points are often skipped. If you navigate this way on a Zumo XT, without using saved routes and allowing route recalculation, you'd be surprised at how often RUT behaviour can be observed. The only cure for this is to stop and restart the route. This behaviour was never present in any of my previous Garmin GPS units. The XT also led me here and I don't use it for navigation anymore, only to display a track of the route to enable me to use custom proximity alerted POI's during "Free Rides" and as a backup should anything go wrong with the phone I use for navigation on my Honda's built in AA/CP screen. I use the navigation app. I do like Open Street maps and have used them in Garmin devices in the past and if I'm using those I also use them for route planning. I also subscribe to OSMand+ and use it occasionally for motorcycling but mostly for hillwalking and cycling. What I do like about it for motorcycle navigation is that you can set a proximity value (I use 150ft) within which the track you are navigating will snap to the road. This makes it more fault tolerant of the mapping used to create the track in the first place. I don't like its handling of via points and map markers for motorcycling however. With regard to navigation I didn't get my first GPS until I was 43, 22 years ago and that was a revelation having toured most of Europe with maps. I also acted as a Co-Driver/navigator for several years in my 20's doing mostly night time regularity rallies. But that was all analogue, maps, road books and stopwatches.

enjoy the country side. hope it isn't raining cats and dogs

Die App mach so viel Spaß, Danke dafür, jetzt die 5. Tour jeweils ca. 200 - 300 km / Tag. Die Track - Bild Funktion ist [image: 1786038251162-img_0725.jpeg] [image: 1786038491155-img_0727.png]

Zijn er groepen die camperroutes hebben op gpx via MRA

Welcome! Hope your trip goes smoothly! Enjoy!

I know the area of the first two well, and they look very good to me. Just rode 1/3rd of route 1 this afternoon! And I like the info waypoints. Only one minor comment: some of the waypoints are just in front of a vital turn (route 1 waypoints 7 & 45, for example). I worry that the waypoint announcement might clash with the turn instruction (if people are using audio). Both have waypoints after the junction, so 7 & 45 (and any similar pre-junction ones) might be redundant.

@Lynchy67 It is on the list for major maintenance of the website, just like being able to export multiple routes in one go. Please be patient.

@Garry-Davis exactly, that would have been my second advice, but you are one step ahead. You can choose your beloved app, to count a route to the petrolstation

Hi ! So, the bad news is that Transfagarasan is still closed for now, but it should be opened in the next two weeks. You can check the live cam from time to time: https://www.roxy-world.ro/webcam-transfagarasan Good news is that Transalpina was opened about 5 days ago, some of my friends went there already and confirmed this. Enjoy Romania !