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What's the point of your route planner?

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  • Gordon Lawson Gordon Lawson

    @RetiredWingMan said in What's the point of your route planner?:

    @Gordon-Lawson the initial planning map is Openstreetmaps. This uses a different routing algorithm than Here. The Navigation Next app uses Here.

    This is part of my question - why do this? Why use a completely different system to navigate from the one used to plan the route? It just seems stupid!

    I have no idea how to upload the route.

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    @Gordon-Lawson that's what we are trying to tell you. Change the planning map to Here. That way you will be using the same maps and algorithms for planning that the navigation software uses. You should take some time to view some introductory videos and read the user manuals. It will save you a lot of grief.

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      Unless explicitly turned off, the app will even warn about navigating routes not created in HERE 🙂

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      • Gordon Lawson Gordon Lawson

        https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/10175395

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        @Gordon-Lawson said in What's the point of your route planner?:

        https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/10175395

        You need to make the route 'public', so we can see it.

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          @RetiredWingMan said in What's the point of your route planner?:

          @Gordon-Lawson that's what we are trying to tell you. Change the planning map to Here. That way you will be using the same maps and algorithms for planning that the navigation software uses. You should take some time to view some introductory videos and read the user manuals. It will save you a lot of grief.

          I did. Here’s what the manual says:
          IMG_0023.jpeg
          As I don’t have “Gold” I assumed I was stuck with Openstreetmap.

          https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/10175395/mobile#52.920647448131;-1.6127693653106492;10/

          This will be slow as I am only allowed to post once per hour!

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          • Gordon Lawson Gordon Lawson

            @RetiredWingMan said in What's the point of your route planner?:

            @Gordon-Lawson that's what we are trying to tell you. Change the planning map to Here. That way you will be using the same maps and algorithms for planning that the navigation software uses. You should take some time to view some introductory videos and read the user manuals. It will save you a lot of grief.

            I did. Here’s what the manual says:
            IMG_0023.jpeg
            As I don’t have “Gold” I assumed I was stuck with Openstreetmap.

            https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/10175395/mobile#52.920647448131;-1.6127693653106492;10/

            This will be slow as I am only allowed to post once per hour!

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            @Gordon-Lawson Your MRA Navigation Next subscription gives you access to the HERE planning map.

            Always willing to help if I can.
            Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
            MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox BJ8

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              richtea999
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              #15

              Once you've swapped from OpenStreetMap to HERE in the planner (which is the main fix), you get this route, which is pretty much where the app took you:

              Screenshot 2024-10-28 at 20.57.51.png

              The solution is only two steps:

              1. Use HERE if you're using the MRA Nav app or Garmin
              2. Once you've done that, add a couple more waypoints to get the route to go where you really want it to go.

              It's just practice, I promise. Don't be put off!

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              • Gordon Lawson Gordon Lawson

                @RetiredWingMan said in What's the point of your route planner?:

                @Gordon-Lawson that's what we are trying to tell you. Change the planning map to Here. That way you will be using the same maps and algorithms for planning that the navigation software uses. You should take some time to view some introductory videos and read the user manuals. It will save you a lot of grief.

                I did. Here’s what the manual says:
                IMG_0023.jpeg
                As I don’t have “Gold” I assumed I was stuck with Openstreetmap.

                https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/10175395/mobile#52.920647448131;-1.6127693653106492;10/

                This will be slow as I am only allowed to post once per hour!

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                @Gordon-Lawson besides the remarks of the others you've selected the bike profile witch only works in the Here map and TomTom map. Use the car profile insteadScreenshot_20241028_230651.jpg Screenshot_20241028_230735.jpg

                Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                Honda Silverwing GL 650
                DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                Garmin XT sold
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                  I'd love to RTFM - where is it? All I can find is a knowledge base with a selection of articles.
                  Screenshot 2024-10-29 091010.png
                  I never understood what this message meant.

                  Now I have set my maps to "Here" as default then maybe I will have more luck. I'll try another route and see what happens before heading for TomTom.

                  My original question still remains - why use one mapping system to plan routes then a completely different one for navigation?

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                  • Gordon Lawson Gordon Lawson

                    I'd love to RTFM - where is it? All I can find is a knowledge base with a selection of articles.
                    Screenshot 2024-10-29 091010.png
                    I never understood what this message meant.

                    Now I have set my maps to "Here" as default then maybe I will have more luck. I'll try another route and see what happens before heading for TomTom.

                    My original question still remains - why use one mapping system to plan routes then a completely different one for navigation?

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                    @Gordon-Lawson said in What's the point of your route planner?:

                    My original question still remains - why use one mapping system to plan routes then a completely different one for navigation?

                    Simple answer, you don’t.
                    Plan your route using the HERE map for navigation using MRA Navigation Next.

                    If you have a TomTom you would plan your routes using the TomTom planning map.

                    Calimoto uses the OpenStreetMap, therefore anyone using this app would plan their routes on the OSM planning map.

                    Always willing to help if I can.
                    Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                    MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox BJ8

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                    • Gordon Lawson Gordon Lawson

                      I'd love to RTFM - where is it? All I can find is a knowledge base with a selection of articles.
                      Screenshot 2024-10-29 091010.png
                      I never understood what this message meant.

                      Now I have set my maps to "Here" as default then maybe I will have more luck. I'll try another route and see what happens before heading for TomTom.

                      My original question still remains - why use one mapping system to plan routes then a completely different one for navigation?

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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #19

                      @Gordon-Lawson said in What's the point of your route planner?:

                      My original question still remains - why use one mapping system to plan routes then a completely different one for navigation?

                      You choose that yourself...
                      You must realise that the MRA planner is not intended solely for use with the MRA Navigation app. It is also intended for users of TomTom, Garmin and other navigation systems.

                      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

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                      • Gordon Lawson Gordon Lawson

                        Foolishly, after all the issues I encounter using MRA, I decided to give it another go yesterday. I plotted a route then told the app to navigate the route. In the picture below you can see the route plotted, and the yellow line shows the approximate route it took me on. WTF???
                        Stupid route.png

                        I do not understand why plotting a route and navigating the same route are done using different maps with such widely varying results. It makes the combination of your route planner and navigation app absolutely useless!!!! I know there is a warning that it may give different results, but come on..... this is ludicrous! And I also understand that I could use a "track" but then all the waypoint information is lost, so if you need the waypoint info then a track is no good.
                        Before I finally delete this app from my phone (never to be installed again as long as I live), can someone explain to me how I can make this combined app work as I would expect it to work, i.e. plan a route then navigate THAT EXACT ROUTE? Or am I just completely wasting my time with this?
                        Thanks

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                        @Gordon-Lawson Using the HERE map, changing 2 via points (hands) to shaping points and adding one shaping point to make sure you pass through your point No 2 (rather than drive down a branch to get there), you get this....You need to spend a little time learning to use the planner properly before criticising it
                        https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/10183131#

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                          It now appears that by changing to "Here" maps I have lost the ability to change the type of routing between segments.
                          Screenshot 2024-10-29 101942.png
                          I thank you all for taking the time to reply on this thread, and your answers (and my subsequent findings) have led me to the conclusion that this is not the planning/navigation system for me.
                          I wish you all the best of luck 👍

                          (Admin - feel free to close this thread if you wish)

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                            This is not just an issue with MRA, it's a generic thing.

                            Back in my Garmin days, I had several encounters where I created a route in Garmin's Basecamp software, then send it to my Garmin Zumo device. When Navigating the route, it was sometimes different than expected.
                            The reason is not just different algorithms used in the planning software and the device, also different parameters.

                            You can memorize it like this: a route you create is just a list of via points. Your device will recalculate a route, from point to point, along with its parameters, like Fastest route, shortest route, avoid gravel roads, avoid blocked roads etc.

                            As someone else said, add more waypoints to your route, then you don't have to pay much attention to parameters.

                            Best regards, Makro

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