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Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?

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  • Maicroundefined Offline
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    First I apologize if my question has already been asked. I have been searching, but, I am afraid, my English is not good enough to guarantee me an optimal search.

    I wanted to ask, please, the following question.

    Do you know if a route planned with MRA, with the waypoints in different colors, specific time stops and typology of the stops - hamburger icons, gas station, warning, etc. - can be saved in a file format that can then be retrieved by the MRA web with all the characteristics of the waypoints, and not just a simple waypoint?

    Thank you very much.

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    • Maicroundefined Maicro

      First I apologize if my question has already been asked. I have been searching, but, I am afraid, my English is not good enough to guarantee me an optimal search.

      I wanted to ask, please, the following question.

      Do you know if a route planned with MRA, with the waypoints in different colors, specific time stops and typology of the stops - hamburger icons, gas station, warning, etc. - can be saved in a file format that can then be retrieved by the MRA web with all the characteristics of the waypoints, and not just a simple waypoint?

      Thank you very much.

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      @Maicro if what you want is to share a route with someone else, make the route public and then send them a link to the route.

      2010 GL1800 Goldwing using Samsung Galaxy S20 5G Android 13.

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      • RetiredWingManundefined RetiredWingMan

        @Maicro if what you want is to share a route with someone else, make the route public and then send them a link to the route.

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        @Doug-Robinson said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

        if what you want is to share a route with someone else, make the route public and then send them a link to the route.

        Thank you very much.

        But that's not what I want. What I want is to have a backup copy of the routes I have created, in case one day, God forbid, the MRA servers suffer a crash/attack losing some routes, to be able to rescue them in their entirety to be able to continue using them in MRA and Next.

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        • Maicroundefined Maicro

          @Doug-Robinson said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

          if what you want is to share a route with someone else, make the route public and then send them a link to the route.

          Thank you very much.

          But that's not what I want. What I want is to have a backup copy of the routes I have created, in case one day, God forbid, the MRA servers suffer a crash/attack losing some routes, to be able to rescue them in their entirety to be able to continue using them in MRA and Next.

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          #4

          @Maicro

          You can save your routes as GPX 1.1 (route,track,POI)
          GPX 1.1 is the standard exchange format.

          But at the same time it makes me curious how many people use a backup of their routes.
          I don’t

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          • Maicroundefined Maicro

            First I apologize if my question has already been asked. I have been searching, but, I am afraid, my English is not good enough to guarantee me an optimal search.

            I wanted to ask, please, the following question.

            Do you know if a route planned with MRA, with the waypoints in different colors, specific time stops and typology of the stops - hamburger icons, gas station, warning, etc. - can be saved in a file format that can then be retrieved by the MRA web with all the characteristics of the waypoints, and not just a simple waypoint?

            Thank you very much.

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            Hi @Maicro I'm afraid everything you ask is not possible. All the characters and colors are typical MRA features.
            The only thing you can do is to download the GPX route (1.1).
            In that case you will have a copy of your route, track and POI's.

            But why are you afraid of losing data in MRA? I have been using MRA since 2016 and have never lost data.
            You only lose data if you delete routes yourself.
            MRA does not have backup servers available at this time (yet). So they cannot restore deleted data.

            iPhone 15,
            Carpuride W702.
            Garmin Zumo XT(1) as backup
            Sena 20S EVO headset
            Harley Davidson Road King 2017 M8.

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            • Con Hennekensundefined Offline
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              This is an interesting thought...
              Since we are able in Navigation to download routes for offline use, we can be sure there actually IS a file type or portable database definition that contains ALL the info that goes into routes like it is in the routeplanner... I have been browsing my android filesystem but cannot find the folder that quickly. Could be that it is stored in database form, I don't know. But I think it is not difficult task to adapt the import/export function of the website to be able to use that filetype. I can imagine however that MRA does not like to disclose the exact file specification. In that case, sorry guys! πŸ˜‰

              But like @Jack-van-Tilburg, do not feel the need to store backups of my routes. I almost never reuse them.

              I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

              Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

              Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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              • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                This is an interesting thought...
                Since we are able in Navigation to download routes for offline use, we can be sure there actually IS a file type or portable database definition that contains ALL the info that goes into routes like it is in the routeplanner... I have been browsing my android filesystem but cannot find the folder that quickly. Could be that it is stored in database form, I don't know. But I think it is not difficult task to adapt the import/export function of the website to be able to use that filetype. I can imagine however that MRA does not like to disclose the exact file specification. In that case, sorry guys! πŸ˜‰

                But like @Jack-van-Tilburg, do not feel the need to store backups of my routes. I almost never reuse them.

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                @Con-Hennekens but the downloaded route does not appear to include everything he wants. Does not appear to include the icons (hamburger, fuel etc) or defined wait times.

                2010 GL1800 Goldwing using Samsung Galaxy S20 5G Android 13.

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                • RetiredWingManundefined RetiredWingMan

                  @Con-Hennekens but the downloaded route does not appear to include everything he wants. Does not appear to include the icons (hamburger, fuel etc) or defined wait times.

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                  @Doug-Robinson
                  That is correct. (unfortunately)

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                  • RetiredWingManundefined RetiredWingMan

                    @Con-Hennekens but the downloaded route does not appear to include everything he wants. Does not appear to include the icons (hamburger, fuel etc) or defined wait times.

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                    @Doug-Robinson I think the point is that whatever format is being used to transfer the route between MRA Routeplanner and MRA Navigation Next includes all the information available. However, that format is not currently available to the user directly.

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                    • Herko ter Horstundefined Herko ter Horst

                      @Doug-Robinson I think the point is that whatever format is being used to transfer the route between MRA Routeplanner and MRA Navigation Next includes all the information available. However, that format is not currently available to the user directly.

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                      Again, I'm not worried about data loss. And in this topic I think it was hinted that MRA has no backup servers.
                      But that doesn't mean there won't be any data backup.
                      I assume that there will be a backup of, among other things, the route database. However, it cannot be restored on an individual level. (my assumption)

                      As for the application of a personal trash can.
                      That is of course a very desirable feature. But you can also organize this yourself.
                      I don't delete routes. Instead I move them to a special folder called............ <Deleted items>. And I delete the contents of that folder after a period that is not too short.

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                      • Jack van Tilburgundefined Jack van Tilburg

                        Again, I'm not worried about data loss. And in this topic I think it was hinted that MRA has no backup servers.
                        But that doesn't mean there won't be any data backup.
                        I assume that there will be a backup of, among other things, the route database. However, it cannot be restored on an individual level. (my assumption)

                        As for the application of a personal trash can.
                        That is of course a very desirable feature. But you can also organize this yourself.
                        I don't delete routes. Instead I move them to a special folder called............ <Deleted items>. And I delete the contents of that folder after a period that is not too short.

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                        @Jack-van-Tilburg

                        However, it cannot be restored on an individual level. (my assumption)

                        Assumption correct πŸ˜‰
                        We run multiple backups but those are for all server / database storage and are only used on global level. Restoring individually is painstaking and not required.

                        We do wish to change deletion in the future to the exact way you do that now yourself πŸ˜‰ Deleting items would then result in them being moved to another folder which removed the items after x days πŸ™‚ But that is for the future!

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                        • RetiredWingManundefined RetiredWingMan

                          @Con-Hennekens but the downloaded route does not appear to include everything he wants. Does not appear to include the icons (hamburger, fuel etc) or defined wait times.

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                          @Doug-Robinson

                          The Icons for Fuel, Coffee, Viewpoints etc, need to be added at the planning stage in the Routelab.

                          You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                          • RetiredWingManundefined RetiredWingMan

                            @Con-Hennekens but the downloaded route does not appear to include everything he wants. Does not appear to include the icons (hamburger, fuel etc) or defined wait times.

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                            @Doug-Robinson, I was not talking about downloading GPX, but about "make available for offline use" from within the app.

                            c3a474ea-66c7-49bb-893b-4bf6748a7956-image.png

                            It must be stored somewhere and it contains the complete dataset for the route. But like @Herko-ter-Horst said, that format is not currently available for import/export through the webservice.

                            I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                            Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                            Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                            • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                              This is an interesting thought...
                              Since we are able in Navigation to download routes for offline use, we can be sure there actually IS a file type or portable database definition that contains ALL the info that goes into routes like it is in the routeplanner... I have been browsing my android filesystem but cannot find the folder that quickly. Could be that it is stored in database form, I don't know. But I think it is not difficult task to adapt the import/export function of the website to be able to use that filetype. I can imagine however that MRA does not like to disclose the exact file specification. In that case, sorry guys! πŸ˜‰

                              But like @Jack-van-Tilburg, do not feel the need to store backups of my routes. I almost never reuse them.

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                              @Con-Hennekens said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

                              do not feel the need to store backups of my routes. I almost never reuse them.

                              Nobody ever needs a backup "until... "

                              and if you have ever been sitting in a data centre at 3 o'clock in the morning after a server crash wondering where that bl--dy data has gone, and how you are going to avoid being fired ... then you understand exactly what "until... " means. πŸ™‚

                              I find it a real shortcoming that MRA does not have a convenient feature to download all routes in a folder in e.g. GPX1.1. I do understand that they want to keep their own data model a secret (that is their intellectual property) but a bulk download in a commonly used format, even one that contains less info than the MRA data model, should be possible.

                              It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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                              • Drabslabundefined Drabslab

                                @Con-Hennekens said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

                                do not feel the need to store backups of my routes. I almost never reuse them.

                                Nobody ever needs a backup "until... "

                                and if you have ever been sitting in a data centre at 3 o'clock in the morning after a server crash wondering where that bl--dy data has gone, and how you are going to avoid being fired ... then you understand exactly what "until... " means. πŸ™‚

                                I find it a real shortcoming that MRA does not have a convenient feature to download all routes in a folder in e.g. GPX1.1. I do understand that they want to keep their own data model a secret (that is their intellectual property) but a bulk download in a commonly used format, even one that contains less info than the MRA data model, should be possible.

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                                @Drabslab said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

                                I find it a real shortcoming that MRA does not have a convenient feature to download all routes in a folder in e.g. GPX1.1.

                                We may still have something to look forward to in that regard.
                                The following is planned in the Roadmap of MRA Routeplanner 2.0:

                                roadmap.png

                                Maybe it's time to stop adding new items to Next and pick up the Roadmap of the Route Planner again.
                                And I am very aware that the two (Next and Planner) will become more and more intertwined.
                                (oops, oops, oops, what am I saying now πŸ˜€ 😌 )

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                                • Jack van Tilburgundefined Jack van Tilburg

                                  @Drabslab said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

                                  I find it a real shortcoming that MRA does not have a convenient feature to download all routes in a folder in e.g. GPX1.1.

                                  We may still have something to look forward to in that regard.
                                  The following is planned in the Roadmap of MRA Routeplanner 2.0:

                                  roadmap.png

                                  Maybe it's time to stop adding new items to Next and pick up the Roadmap of the Route Planner again.
                                  And I am very aware that the two (Next and Planner) will become more and more intertwined.
                                  (oops, oops, oops, what am I saying now πŸ˜€ 😌 )

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                                  @Jack-van-Tilburg said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

                                  Maybe it's time to stop adding new items to Next

                                  Woa @Jack-van-Tilburg, how dare you even mentioning that! πŸ˜… Haha! Jokes aside, I sure feel that the app needs more TLC than the planner at this moment. Many more improvements required to the app. The planner is already decent enough at the moment. But that's my humble opinion.πŸ˜‹

                                  Manks bu'j te bange.

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                                  • Stefan Hummelinkundefined Stefan Hummelink

                                    @Jack-van-Tilburg said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

                                    Maybe it's time to stop adding new items to Next

                                    Woa @Jack-van-Tilburg, how dare you even mentioning that! πŸ˜… Haha! Jokes aside, I sure feel that the app needs more TLC than the planner at this moment. Many more improvements required to the app. The planner is already decent enough at the moment. But that's my humble opinion.πŸ˜‹

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                                    @StefanHummelink said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

                                    Woa @Jack-van-Tilburg, how dare you even mentioning that! πŸ˜… Haha! Jokes aside

                                    But don't tell anyone 🀞

                                    Many more improvements required to the app.

                                    Further development of a number of points is certainly important for users.
                                    In fact, there are only a few features that are still missing from Next's initial announcement:
                                    Show next gas station
                                    Add gas station to active route
                                    Android Auto
                                    Apple CarPlay
                                    And of course they still have to be delivered. No doubt about that.

                                    The planner is already decent enough at the moment. But that's my humble opinion.πŸ˜‹

                                    There are still a number of things on the Roadmap that will greatly improve the Planner and the Forum.
                                    And that is ultimately also very important for users of Navigation.

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                                      @Con-Hennekens said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

                                      do not feel the need to store backups of my routes. I almost never reuse them.

                                      Nobody ever needs a backup "until... "

                                      and if you have ever been sitting in a data centre at 3 o'clock in the morning after a server crash wondering where that bl--dy data has gone, and how you are going to avoid being fired ... then you understand exactly what "until... " means. πŸ™‚

                                      I find it a real shortcoming that MRA does not have a convenient feature to download all routes in a folder in e.g. GPX1.1. I do understand that they want to keep their own data model a secret (that is their intellectual property) but a bulk download in a commonly used format, even one that contains less info than the MRA data model, should be possible.

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                                      @Drabslab said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

                                      and if you have ever been sitting in a data centre at 3 o'clock in the morning after a server crash wondering where that bl--dy data has gone, and how you are going to avoid being fired ... then you understand exactly what "until... " means.

                                      As a IT administrator I feel this πŸ˜‰ but I do separate corporate data from my personal route library. No one will get fired or die because of losing that πŸ˜‰

                                      I don't think though it is very difficult to export data in an undisclosed format using hashed data. GPX would NOT be my prefered method of backup, since it contains only WP's without metadata and a track. It does not hold the complete route information.

                                      @Jack-van-Tilburg said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

                                      Maybe it's time to stop adding new items to Next and pick up the Roadmap of the Route Planner again.

                                      I agree, but also without adding new things there is still a lot of work on Next πŸ˜‰
                                      (Mainly AA/CP shit I don't use anyway...)

                                      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                      Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                                      Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                                      • Jack van Tilburgundefined Jack van Tilburg

                                        @StefanHummelink said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

                                        Woa @Jack-van-Tilburg, how dare you even mentioning that! πŸ˜… Haha! Jokes aside

                                        But don't tell anyone 🀞

                                        Many more improvements required to the app.

                                        Further development of a number of points is certainly important for users.
                                        In fact, there are only a few features that are still missing from Next's initial announcement:
                                        Show next gas station
                                        Add gas station to active route
                                        Android Auto
                                        Apple CarPlay
                                        And of course they still have to be delivered. No doubt about that.

                                        The planner is already decent enough at the moment. But that's my humble opinion.πŸ˜‹

                                        There are still a number of things on the Roadmap that will greatly improve the Planner and the Forum.
                                        And that is ultimately also very important for users of Navigation.

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                                        @Jack-van-Tilburg said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

                                        There are still a number of things on the Roadmap that will greatly improve the Planner and the Forum.

                                        Completely agree with that, but I feel like the app shall be on par to be the most advanced and feature rich nav app in the market now. After that the planner (and forum) can be brought up to equivalent level of the app. But that are just our two views. πŸ˜ƒ

                                        Manks bu'j te bange.

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                                        • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                                          @Drabslab said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

                                          and if you have ever been sitting in a data centre at 3 o'clock in the morning after a server crash wondering where that bl--dy data has gone, and how you are going to avoid being fired ... then you understand exactly what "until... " means.

                                          As a IT administrator I feel this πŸ˜‰ but I do separate corporate data from my personal route library. No one will get fired or die because of losing that πŸ˜‰

                                          I don't think though it is very difficult to export data in an undisclosed format using hashed data. GPX would NOT be my prefered method of backup, since it contains only WP's without metadata and a track. It does not hold the complete route information.

                                          @Jack-van-Tilburg said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

                                          Maybe it's time to stop adding new items to Next and pick up the Roadmap of the Route Planner again.

                                          I agree, but also without adding new things there is still a lot of work on Next πŸ˜‰
                                          (Mainly AA/CP shit I don't use anyway...)

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                                          @Con-Hennekens said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:

                                          I agree, but also without adding new things there is still a lot of work on Next πŸ˜‰
                                          (Mainly AA/CP shit I don't use anyway...)

                                          I absolute agree!!!!

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