Homograph s. Lösung für das IPhone
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@Peter-Schiefer No, CarPlay is just a screen repeater at the moment but new features are being developed for it.
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Auch bei mir hat das Update auf iOS 16.5.1 keine Änderung gebracht. Der Homograph hält sich tapfer im iOS.
@Peter Schiefer, es ist eindeutig ein Apple Problem. Es war zwischenzeitlich mal weg und kam mit den letzten Updates wieder und an MRA wurde ich diese Richtung nichts geändert.
Es betrifft aber nicht nur diese App, das Netz ist voll von Beschwerden mit dem Homograph. Viele sehbehinderte Menschen lassen sich Texte vorlesen und haben das Problem auch, siehe u. a. hier:
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@Corjan-Meijerink are the numbers in announcements in brackets?
I found this in the web.
...that when reading a newspaper aloud with the iPAD, special characters such as brackets were read as "homograph start, brackets open, homograph end" brackets close.Hardware
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@Corjan-Meijerink are the numbers in announcements in brackets?
I found this in the web.
...that when reading a newspaper aloud with the iPAD, special characters such as brackets were read as "homograph start, brackets open, homograph end" brackets close.@Jörgen shouldn’t be! But other characters might be so it could be an idea to strip those.
But typically you want those characters there so the speech synthesis engine understands hoe the sentence needs to be pronounced. Interpunction and reading characters are quite important
Imagine reading all the form messages without interpunction. It would be a nightmare for you and so it would be for a speech engine
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It looks like next iOS Update will remove this:
Es sieht so aus als wenn das nächste iOS Update das Problem beseitigt:Hardware
iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
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For your information, iOS Version 16.5.1 (c) from today still has this problem.
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iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
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For your information, the TomTom Apps have the same problem with "Homograph".
We need more pressure on Apple, please use this site to complain.
https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone/
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Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
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For your information, the TomTom Apps have the same problem with "Homograph".
We need more pressure on Apple, please use this site to complain.
https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone/
@Jörgen erledigt
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For your information, the TomTom Apps have the same problem with "Homograph".
We need more pressure on Apple, please use this site to complain.
https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone/
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@Jörgen "Ich werde euch Deutschen als guter Nachbar helfen. Ich habe gerade einen Fehlerbericht gesendet, in der Hoffnung, dass dieses Thema dann geschlossen werden kann."
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@Jörgen "Ich werde euch Deutschen als guter Nachbar helfen. Ich habe gerade einen Fehlerbericht gesendet, in der Hoffnung, dass dieses Thema dann geschlossen werden kann."
@Rob-Verhoeff said in Homograph s. Lösung für das IPhone:
@Jörgen "Ich werde euch Deutschen als guter Nachbar helfen. Ich habe gerade einen Fehlerbericht gesendet, in der Hoffnung, dass dieses Thema dann geschlossen werden kann."
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@Corjan-Meijerink
Yesterday I was saying that the TomTom app GoRide has the same problem, and today there was already an update from TT.
I tried it out today, before the update there was still the Homograph announcement, after the update it was gone.
So, there is probably a solution that you can apply in the app, unfortunately I can't say what they changed. Maybe there is a solution from Apple.Hardware
iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
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@Corjan-Meijerink
Yesterday I was saying that the TomTom app GoRide has the same problem, and today there was already an update from TT.
I tried it out today, before the update there was still the Homograph announcement, after the update it was gone.
So, there is probably a solution that you can apply in the app, unfortunately I can't say what they changed. Maybe there is a solution from Apple.@Jörgen Danke für die Info , dann hoffen wir das mal
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It looks like next iOS Update will remove this:
Es sieht so aus als wenn das nächste iOS Update das Problem beseitigt:@Jörgen
und alle anderen, die das Homograph-Iphone Problem nervt und die nicht bis September warten wollen:iOS 17 scheint das Problem zu beheben.
Jeder der will, kann sich beim Apple-Beta Programm kostenlos anmelden: https://beta.apple.com/de/welcome
Nach der Freischaltung durch Appel im iPhone-Ordner "Allgemein/Softwareupdate" iOS 17 Public Beta installieren.
Achtung: bei mir war die Datei über 6 GB groß - ich empfehle euch das eigene WLAN für das Downloaden zu benützen.
Hier ein Link für weitere Tipps:
https://www.giga.de/tipp/ios-17-beta-installieren-so-gehts/
Die App "Apple Developer" wie auf giga.de empfohlen wird NICHT benötigt!Ab diesem Punkt habe ich die Anleitung benützt:
"Falls das nicht funktioniert, versucht diesen Weg:"
(steht dort im Text weiter unten)Bitte wichtige Daten vor dem Update sichern!
Hab die Beta seit zwei Wochen installiert, bis Dato ohne Probleme.
Hab davor unter iOS 16.x Stundenweise an den Einstellungen herumgedoktert, nur die Umstellung auf die englische Sprache hat hier geholfen (iOS 16.4 & 16.5)@Joergen
and all others who are bothered by the homograph iphone problem and don't want to wait until September:iOS 17 seems to fix the problem.
Anyone who wants can sign up for the Apple beta program for free: https://beta.apple.com/de/welcome
After approval by Apple, install iOS 17 Public Beta in the iPhone folder "General/Software update".
Warning: my file was over 6 GB in size - I recommend using your own WLAN for downloading.
Here is a link for more tips:
https://www.giga.de/tipp/ios-17-beta-installieren-so- gehts/
The app "Apple Developer" as recommended on giga.de is NOT required!From this point I used the guide:
"Falls das nicht funktioniert, versucht diesen Weg:"
(it's in the text below)Please back up important data before updating!
Installed the beta for two weeks so far with no problems.
Before that I spent hours tinkering with the settings under iOS 16.x, only switching to English helped here (iOS 16.4 & 16.5) -
@Jörgen said in Homograph s. Lösung für das IPhone:
For your information, iOS Version 16.5.1 (c) from today still has this problem.
Just tested iOS 16.6. The „Homograph“ is still alive! Oh what a pitty
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We will support different voices in a future (not known schedule) update. Now the default voice for the text-to-speech engine is the only one we support.
@Corjan-Meijerink said in Homograph s. Lösung für das IPhone:
the default voice for the text-to-speech engine is the only one we support
it would be nice to have a voice that can cope with place names a bit better. Its very often totally impossible to guess from the audio what city/street/place the voice is actually intending to say
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@Jörgen said in Homograph s. Lösung für das IPhone:
For your information, iOS Version 16.5.1 (c) from today still has this problem.
Just tested iOS 16.6. The „Homograph“ is still alive! Oh what a pitty
@Matt If you had Ver. 16.6. 21 days ago, can you already test iOS Ver. 17? Where it should be removed.
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Ich benutzte iOS 16.6
Das "Homograph"-Problem nervt wirklich! Hinzukommt, die Lautstärke bei gleichzeitiger Nutzung des Cardo-Intercom lässt wirklich sehr zu wünschen übrig.
Ich frage mich allerdings schon, warum das Problem bei Google Maps und sogar in der alten MRA Navigation-App nicht besteht? Die alte MRA Navigation-App habe ich noch installiert. Diese funktioniert einwandfrei OHNE "Homograph".
Aus meiner Sicht sollte MyRouteApp hier schon etwas tun können?
Was meint ihr hierzu?Viele Grüße.
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Ich benutzte iOS 16.6
Das "Homograph"-Problem nervt wirklich! Hinzukommt, die Lautstärke bei gleichzeitiger Nutzung des Cardo-Intercom lässt wirklich sehr zu wünschen übrig.
Ich frage mich allerdings schon, warum das Problem bei Google Maps und sogar in der alten MRA Navigation-App nicht besteht? Die alte MRA Navigation-App habe ich noch installiert. Diese funktioniert einwandfrei OHNE "Homograph".
Aus meiner Sicht sollte MyRouteApp hier schon etwas tun können?
Was meint ihr hierzu?Viele Grüße.
Tom@Tom-Johann, funny detail: my Google Maps showed the EXACT same problem concerning the loudness of the voice... If not playing music, you just turn up the volume of the radio/headset, but when playing music that is of course no option. Then if an instruction is given, the music ducks, but the voice is still not loud enough to overcome the music. GMaps showed the exact same thing during my holiday (I used it in my car, BT connected to my car radio).
The Homograph error is already established to be a problem in some IOS versions. The old app (and many other nav apps) has it's own internal speech synthesis. The new app relies on the OS for that. I am not sure whether the voice instruction itself originates from the app or from the HERE platform. It likely contains some intonation data that gets misinterpreted by the IOS speech synthesis. The MRA devs or the HERE devs could probably strip those, but that would mean loss of voice quality for everyone. Having an own embedded speech synthesis would likely be more flexible, but probably not easy to combine with the HERE platform. It is a chosen direction that is likely not easy to change. Google around, or search for earlier messages in this forum. There seem to be IOS voices that do not show (or speak) this problem.
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@Tom-Johann, funny detail: my Google Maps showed the EXACT same problem concerning the loudness of the voice... If not playing music, you just turn up the volume of the radio/headset, but when playing music that is of course no option. Then if an instruction is given, the music ducks, but the voice is still not loud enough to overcome the music. GMaps showed the exact same thing during my holiday (I used it in my car, BT connected to my car radio).
The Homograph error is already established to be a problem in some IOS versions. The old app (and many other nav apps) has it's own internal speech synthesis. The new app relies on the OS for that. I am not sure whether the voice instruction itself originates from the app or from the HERE platform. It likely contains some intonation data that gets misinterpreted by the IOS speech synthesis. The MRA devs or the HERE devs could probably strip those, but that would mean loss of voice quality for everyone. Having an own embedded speech synthesis would likely be more flexible, but probably not easy to combine with the HERE platform. It is a chosen direction that is likely not easy to change. Google around, or search for earlier messages in this forum. There seem to be IOS voices that do not show (or speak) this problem.
As written somewhere from me, the TT GoRide-App had the same problem with Homegraph and they fixed it internal (without an Apple update).
But hopefully Apple will fix it with iOS 17.
