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Homograph s. Lösung für das IPhone

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    Ich habe bis jetzt auch keine Einstellung gefunden, um es zu vermeiden.

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      We will support different voices in a future (not known schedule) update. Now the default voice for the text-to-speech engine is the only one we support.

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        @Peter-Schiefer No need to open the menu to skip a waypoint, just long touch it on the screen.

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          @Peter-Schiefer No, CarPlay is just a screen repeater at the moment but new features are being developed for it.

          Always willing to help if I can.
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            Auch bei mir hat das Update auf iOS 16.5.1 keine Änderung gebracht. Der Homograph hält sich tapfer im iOS.

            @Peter Schiefer, es ist eindeutig ein Apple Problem. Es war zwischenzeitlich mal weg und kam mit den letzten Updates wieder und an MRA wurde ich diese Richtung nichts geändert.

            Es betrifft aber nicht nur diese App, das Netz ist voll von Beschwerden mit dem Homograph. Viele sehbehinderte Menschen lassen sich Texte vorlesen und haben das Problem auch, siehe u. a. hier:

            https://www.google.com/search?q=iso+iphone+Homograph+&sxsrf=APwXEdcGqaC-utUb44IfUPvCRb5iZ8XLNg%3A1687889524319&ei=dCabZI7mErXm7_UPlNWEuA0&ved=0ahUKEwiO8JC8huT_AhU187sIHZQqAdcQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=iso+iphone+Homograph+&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIFCAAQogQyBQgAEKIEMgUIABCiBDoKCAAQRxDWBBCwAzoFCCEQoAFKBAhBGABQwBVY7kBgpkVoAXABeACAAXSIAbAGkgEDOC4xmAEAoAEBwAEByAEI&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

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              @Corjan-Meijerink are the numbers in announcements in brackets?

              I found this in the web.
              ...that when reading a newspaper aloud with the iPAD, special characters such as brackets were read as "homograph start, brackets open, homograph end" brackets close.

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              • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                @Corjan-Meijerink are the numbers in announcements in brackets?

                I found this in the web.
                ...that when reading a newspaper aloud with the iPAD, special characters such as brackets were read as "homograph start, brackets open, homograph end" brackets close.

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                @Jörgen shouldn’t be! But other characters might be so it could be an idea to strip those.

                But typically you want those characters there so the speech synthesis engine understands hoe the sentence needs to be pronounced. Interpunction and reading characters are quite important 🙂

                Imagine reading all the form messages without interpunction. It would be a nightmare for you and so it would be for a speech engine 😞

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                  It looks like next iOS Update will remove this:
                  Es sieht so aus als wenn das nächste iOS Update das Problem beseitigt:

                  https://feuersoftware.com/forum/index.php?thread/5451-wieder-gestörte-sprachausgabe-unter-ios-ipados-16-4-homograph-fehler/&postID=37379#post37379

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                    For your information, iOS Version 16.5.1 (c) from today still has this problem.

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                      For your information, the TomTom Apps have the same problem with "Homograph".

                      We need more pressure on Apple, please use this site to complain.

                      https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone/

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                      • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                        For your information, the TomTom Apps have the same problem with "Homograph".

                        We need more pressure on Apple, please use this site to complain.

                        https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone/

                        screen164.jpg

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                        @Jörgen erledigt👍

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                        • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                          For your information, the TomTom Apps have the same problem with "Homograph".

                          We need more pressure on Apple, please use this site to complain.

                          https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone/

                          screen164.jpg

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                          @Jörgen "Ich werde euch Deutschen als guter Nachbar helfen. Ich habe gerade einen Fehlerbericht gesendet, in der Hoffnung, dass dieses Thema dann geschlossen werden kann." 😁 👍

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                            @Jörgen "Ich werde euch Deutschen als guter Nachbar helfen. Ich habe gerade einen Fehlerbericht gesendet, in der Hoffnung, dass dieses Thema dann geschlossen werden kann." 😁 👍

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                            @Rob-Verhoeff 👍 👍 👍

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                            • Rob Verhoeffundefined Rob Verhoeff

                              @Jörgen "Ich werde euch Deutschen als guter Nachbar helfen. Ich habe gerade einen Fehlerbericht gesendet, in der Hoffnung, dass dieses Thema dann geschlossen werden kann." 😁 👍

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                              @Rob-Verhoeff said in Homograph s. Lösung für das IPhone:

                              @Jörgen "Ich werde euch Deutschen als guter Nachbar helfen. Ich habe gerade einen Fehlerbericht gesendet, in der Hoffnung, dass dieses Thema dann geschlossen werden kann." 😁 👍

                              Gute Nachbarschaft ist wichtig! 😁 👍

                              Bedankt

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                                @Corjan-Meijerink
                                Yesterday I was saying that the TomTom app GoRide has the same problem, and today there was already an update from TT.
                                I tried it out today, before the update there was still the Homograph announcement, after the update it was gone.
                                So, there is probably a solution that you can apply in the app, unfortunately I can't say what they changed. Maybe there is a solution from Apple.

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                                  @Corjan-Meijerink
                                  Yesterday I was saying that the TomTom app GoRide has the same problem, and today there was already an update from TT.
                                  I tried it out today, before the update there was still the Homograph announcement, after the update it was gone.
                                  So, there is probably a solution that you can apply in the app, unfortunately I can't say what they changed. Maybe there is a solution from Apple.

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                                  @Jörgen Danke für die Info , dann hoffen wir das mal 👍

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                                  • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                                    It looks like next iOS Update will remove this:
                                    Es sieht so aus als wenn das nächste iOS Update das Problem beseitigt:

                                    https://feuersoftware.com/forum/index.php?thread/5451-wieder-gestörte-sprachausgabe-unter-ios-ipados-16-4-homograph-fehler/&postID=37379#post37379

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                                    @Jörgen
                                    und alle anderen, die das Homograph-Iphone Problem nervt und die nicht bis September warten wollen:

                                    iOS 17 scheint das Problem zu beheben. 😊 👍

                                    Jeder der will, kann sich beim Apple-Beta Programm kostenlos anmelden: https://beta.apple.com/de/welcome
                                    Nach der Freischaltung durch Appel im iPhone-Ordner "Allgemein/Softwareupdate" iOS 17 Public Beta installieren.
                                    Achtung: bei mir war die Datei über 6 GB groß - ich empfehle euch das eigene WLAN für das Downloaden zu benützen.
                                    Hier ein Link für weitere Tipps:
                                    https://www.giga.de/tipp/ios-17-beta-installieren-so-gehts/
                                    Die App "Apple Developer" wie auf giga.de empfohlen wird NICHT benötigt!

                                    Ab diesem Punkt habe ich die Anleitung benützt:
                                    "Falls das nicht funktioniert, versucht diesen Weg:"
                                    (steht dort im Text weiter unten)

                                    Bitte wichtige Daten vor dem Update sichern! ☝

                                    Hab die Beta seit zwei Wochen installiert, bis Dato ohne Probleme. 😁
                                    Hab davor unter iOS 16.x Stundenweise an den Einstellungen herumgedoktert, nur die Umstellung auf die englische Sprache hat hier geholfen (iOS 16.4 & 16.5)

                                    @Joergen
                                    and all others who are bothered by the homograph iphone problem and don't want to wait until September:

                                    iOS 17 seems to fix the problem. 😊 👍

                                    Anyone who wants can sign up for the Apple beta program for free: https://beta.apple.com/de/welcome
                                    After approval by Apple, install iOS 17 Public Beta in the iPhone folder "General/Software update".
                                    Warning: my file was over 6 GB in size - I recommend using your own WLAN for downloading.
                                    Here is a link for more tips:
                                    https://www.giga.de/tipp/ios-17-beta-installieren-so- gehts/
                                    The app "Apple Developer" as recommended on giga.de is NOT required!

                                    From this point I used the guide:
                                    "Falls das nicht funktioniert, versucht diesen Weg:"
                                    (it's in the text below)

                                    Please back up important data before updating! ☝

                                    Installed the beta for two weeks so far with no problems. 😁
                                    Before that I spent hours tinkering with the settings under iOS 16.x, only switching to English helped here (iOS 16.4 & 16.5)

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                                    • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                                      For your information, iOS Version 16.5.1 (c) from today still has this problem.

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                                      @Jörgen said in Homograph s. Lösung für das IPhone:

                                      For your information, iOS Version 16.5.1 (c) from today still has this problem.

                                      Just tested iOS 16.6. The „Homograph“ is still alive! Oh what a pitty

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                                      • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                                        We will support different voices in a future (not known schedule) update. Now the default voice for the text-to-speech engine is the only one we support.

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                                        @Corjan-Meijerink said in Homograph s. Lösung für das IPhone:

                                        the default voice for the text-to-speech engine is the only one we support

                                        it would be nice to have a voice that can cope with place names a bit better. Its very often totally impossible to guess from the audio what city/street/place the voice is actually intending to say

                                        🙂

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                                          @Jörgen said in Homograph s. Lösung für das IPhone:

                                          For your information, iOS Version 16.5.1 (c) from today still has this problem.

                                          Just tested iOS 16.6. The „Homograph“ is still alive! Oh what a pitty

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                                          @Matt If you had Ver. 16.6. 21 days ago, can you already test iOS Ver. 17? Where it should be removed.

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