Navigating via MRA Navigation...
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i did buy navigation and i must say it works but there are some things that i dislike.
when i make a route in mra then i miss te option to select it to transfer it to navigation like in tomtom mydrive. also my folders in mra are gone in navigation.
otherwise it is easy to use and offline it does the job.
i hope next version will have adventure routing (skipping mainroads would allready a good way) and loading offline gpx route and track.
@bouke-ent said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
when i make a route in mra then i miss te option to select it to transfer it to navigation like in tomtom mydrive.
All your online routes are synchronized to MRA Navigation automatically. No manual intervention required. The missing folder structure is a known issue...
Manks bu'j te bange.
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@bouke-ent said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
when i make a route in mra then i miss te option to select it to transfer it to navigation like in tomtom mydrive.
All your online routes are synchronized to MRA Navigation automatically. No manual intervention required. The missing folder structure is a known issue...
@stefanhummelink Sadly, I've found it's bit more complicated than that.
With an active internet connection, you obviously have access to all the routes you have in MRA Web. Your list of routes is synchronized to MRA Navigation (i.e. it's visible without an internet connection), however, the routes themselves ar not. Something seems to be synchronized in the app when you open a route for the first time with an active internet connection, but if I then close the app and turn on Airplane mode (effectively disabling all internet connections) and try to reopen the route, it just keeps displaying a Loading pop-over. For routes that I haven't opened at all while the internet connection was active, it simply displays that an internet connection is needed to open that route.
So it seems that no routes are actually synchronized to the app, so the app isn't really able to function off-line.
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@stefanhummelink Sadly, I've found it's bit more complicated than that.
With an active internet connection, you obviously have access to all the routes you have in MRA Web. Your list of routes is synchronized to MRA Navigation (i.e. it's visible without an internet connection), however, the routes themselves ar not. Something seems to be synchronized in the app when you open a route for the first time with an active internet connection, but if I then close the app and turn on Airplane mode (effectively disabling all internet connections) and try to reopen the route, it just keeps displaying a Loading pop-over. For routes that I haven't opened at all while the internet connection was active, it simply displays that an internet connection is needed to open that route.
So it seems that no routes are actually synchronized to the app, so the app isn't really able to function off-line.
@herko-ter-horst You're entirely right, the app does not load the actual route into the app itself, instead the link to the route on the server. True offline mode similar to a dedicated satnav that loads i.e. .gpx files, is not possible with MRA Navigation. One requires an active internet connection to load the route from the servers. For me that is perfectly acceptable since I don't do off-road and 99.9% of the time either one of my simcards is able to achieve a stable enough 4G connection.
Manks bu'j te bange.
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@herko-ter-horst You're entirely right, the app does not load the actual route into the app itself, instead the link to the route on the server. True offline mode similar to a dedicated satnav that loads i.e. .gpx files, is not possible with MRA Navigation. One requires an active internet connection to load the route from the servers. For me that is perfectly acceptable since I don't do off-road and 99.9% of the time either one of my simcards is able to achieve a stable enough 4G connection.
@stefanhummelink So today a friend and I used MRA Navigation App for the second time to properly ride a route in the UK after both signing up to lifetime membership. We both had problems at one time or another and reading the blog and comments confirms some of the problems we had are not users error but real problems with the APP. Bottom line for me is that I could not rely on MRA to navigate round Europe like I do with TomTom. MRA needs more work so I look forward to the developments that are planned to solve some of these issues
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@herko-ter-horst You're entirely right, the app does not load the actual route into the app itself, instead the link to the route on the server. True offline mode similar to a dedicated satnav that loads i.e. .gpx files, is not possible with MRA Navigation. One requires an active internet connection to load the route from the servers. For me that is perfectly acceptable since I don't do off-road and 99.9% of the time either one of my simcards is able to achieve a stable enough 4G connection.
@stefanhummelink oeps, in my experience one can loose 4G coverage in France. I had difficulties in Limoges area, between Grenoble and Nice, and in the Pyrinees; Depends on which roads you take of course.
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@herko-ter-horst You're entirely right, the app does not load the actual route into the app itself, instead the link to the route on the server. True offline mode similar to a dedicated satnav that loads i.e. .gpx files, is not possible with MRA Navigation. One requires an active internet connection to load the route from the servers. For me that is perfectly acceptable since I don't do off-road and 99.9% of the time either one of my simcards is able to achieve a stable enough 4G connection.
@stefanhummelink said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
True offline mode similar to a dedicated satnav that loads i.e. .gpx files, is not possible with MRA Navigation.
I guess that this makes the navigation app a no-go for many users, including me I am affraid.
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@matt-flaming said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
Nav needs to be redesigned from the ground up.
I think that this is more or less what MRA company is planning. I hope we have the opportunity to make a wishlist before they start.
But perhaps they read already so many complaints and requests on this forum that their development path is already fixed for the next 10 years
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@matt-flaming I wouldn't be so pessimistic; Turning around a piece of software can be quite fast depending on the architecture of that software. We'll see what it gives when they release their roadmap for Navigation.
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@stefanhummelink said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
True offline mode similar to a dedicated satnav that loads i.e. .gpx files, is not possible with MRA Navigation.
I guess that this makes the navigation app a no-go for many users, including me I am affraid.
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I am also disappointed. The web app seems to be the focus or where the developers know their stuff. That's why I haven't renewed my subscription. I will put my focus on OSMand. Maybe someone from MRA will wake up and at least make a statement. It would not only be nice ..... -
There was a thread on this issue some time ago.
Routes that are opened once, are kept in memory for an unconfirmed time. I (on Android) am still able to load and navigatie some of the routes I opened back in september without issues. When I go on vacation and load all day-routes once on wifi before I leave, I am able to navigate all those routes without ever connecting to internet on my vacation address. Just make sure to download the needed maps off-line, and place your app in offline-mode. It would be nice if this forum would be kept clean from all untrue statements...I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
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Untrue statements?
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There was a thread on this issue some time ago.
Routes that are opened once, are kept in memory for an unconfirmed time. I (on Android) am still able to load and navigatie some of the routes I opened back in september without issues. When I go on vacation and load all day-routes once on wifi before I leave, I am able to navigate all those routes without ever connecting to internet on my vacation address. Just make sure to download the needed maps off-line, and place your app in offline-mode. It would be nice if this forum would be kept clean from all untrue statements...@con-hennekens
I just wonder why I should renew my MRA navigation subscription when the officials don't even have the courtesy to inform me whether this horse is dead or not!
Until then, I will not be tire of recommending OSMand, costs no more and offers much more! Download of Routes needs Internet, as MRA, Google Drive ect. Buy once, no subscription required.
MRA offline navigation works, no problem! ONROAD! Made 7500km last Year.I get tired of asking...........
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I have over 150 routes created in MRA web app. These all show in the MRA Navigation iOS app, but are not organized in folders, or even in alphabetical order. They appear to display in reverse order of creation date.
Is there someway to organize or reorder the routes? It is very difficult and time consuming to find the route I wish to use.
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I have over 150 routes created in MRA web app. These all show in the MRA Navigation iOS app, but are not organized in folders, or even in alphabetical order. They appear to display in reverse order of creation date.
Is there someway to organize or reorder the routes? It is very difficult and time consuming to find the route I wish to use.
Whilst it is not an ideal solution (I have hundreds of routes as well) there are a couple of ways to bring any route to the top of the list in MRA Route Lab and MRA Navigation.
This is my preference.
In the planner find the route you want and zoom in to the full extent on the first waypoint.
Then just move the first waypoint a tiny bit, a millimetre on the map will do it.
This will bring the route to the top in both the Route Lab and in MRA Navigation
Not an ideal solution for some , as it will change the creation date.I add the info below for those not familiar with MRA Navigation.
Initially, make sure you have an internet connection in MRA Navigation and open the route if you are running it for the first time.
And also make sure you have the relevant map downloaded if you plan to use “Offline” mode in MRA Navigation.
Works on Android and iOS.You can also add the route to an event, but personally I have never used this option as I have no issue with the creation date being changed.
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I have over 150 routes created in MRA web app. These all show in the MRA Navigation iOS app, but are not organized in folders, or even in alphabetical order. They appear to display in reverse order of creation date.
Is there someway to organize or reorder the routes? It is very difficult and time consuming to find the route I wish to use.
@mark-panarusky The reason that the folder structure is not used in MRA Navigation is Apple CarPlay doesn’t allow folders. If you have a group of routes that you plan to use on a tour, you can create an Event and add all of those routes to it. Choose Events from the opening page of MRA Navigation and select the route that you need. It’s very easy to do.
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@mark-panarusky The reason that the folder structure is not used in MRA Navigation is Apple CarPlay doesn’t allow folders. If you have a group of routes that you plan to use on a tour, you can create an Event and add all of those routes to it. Choose Events from the opening page of MRA Navigation and select the route that you need. It’s very easy to do.
@nick-carthew said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
@mark-panarusky The reason that the folder structure is not used in MRA Navigation is Apple CarPlay doesn’t allow folders.
Really Nick? If this is the only reason, as an MRA fanboy and fAndroid user I'm truly dissapointed. Such a critical feature for user friendliness shall not be omitted, simply because the software created by a <personal opinion on> overhyped and overpriced - okay, my opinion does not matter here - <personal opinion off>, electronics manufacturer falls short.
I would very strongly urge MRA to branch the MRA nav app for use with all other devices, other than Apple Carplay and continue to improve the MRA Nav app WITHOUT being obstructed by this, apparently very important, Apply Carplay platform... It is far beyond my recognition why innovation should be allowed to be halted, due to some other software's lacking.
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@con-hennekens
I just wonder why I should renew my MRA navigation subscription when the officials don't even have the courtesy to inform me whether this horse is dead or not!
Until then, I will not be tire of recommending OSMand, costs no more and offers much more! Download of Routes needs Internet, as MRA, Google Drive ect. Buy once, no subscription required.
MRA offline navigation works, no problem! ONROAD! Made 7500km last Year.I get tired of asking...........
MRA NAVIGATION?
Guess the horse is dead, already grilled, cooked, served as it is@kudee said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
@con-hennekens
I just wonder why I should renew my MRA navigation subscriptionMaybe you shouldn't if you hate it so much. This forum is intended to help people, it is no bashing platform.
@pad-0 said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
Untrue statements?
Yes, there are multiple statements made that MRA Navigation cannot route without an active internet connection. That simply is not true.
I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
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@matt-flaming said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
@mark-panarusky said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
Is there someway to organize or reorder the routes?
No.
One of the many issues we have with it.
Yes, there is, it is called events. I usually make an event, and add the routes of a multi-day trip to it. In Navigation you open events instead of routes. This way you keep routes that belong to each other nicely together. But of course it would be nice if the folder-structure would equal that of MRA routeplanner. They are working on it (I read somewhere here on the forum).
I know it is not a real substitute for the missing folder structure, but this can come in handy:
If you change the name of a route, and save it without actually changing the name, the route will appear at the top of the list in navigation. This gives you a handle to put the current routes at the top of the list.As a fact, I found it to be quite handy that the lastly added or changed routes are being put on top, because it is most likely that those are most likely the routes that have my current interest.
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@kudee said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
@con-hennekens
I just wonder why I should renew my MRA navigation subscriptionMaybe you shouldn't if you hate it so much. This forum is intended to help people, it is no bashing platform.
@pad-0 said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
Untrue statements?
Yes, there are multiple statements made that MRA Navigation cannot route without an active internet connection. That simply is not true.
@con-hennekens said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
Yes, there are multiple statements made that MRA Navigation cannot route without an active internet connection. That simply is not true.
As said before, I have no experience with NAV as I am using a tomTom but I would prefer to move to NAV when that TomTom finally breaks. However, with the info available here casting doubt on the functionality of NAV... I would probably buy another TomTom.
I would not blame the users for making incorrect statements supposing that they work from their personal experience with the tool, and are not posting lies just for the sake of trolling. Point is that I am not aware of any official "table" produced by MRA that gives a clear overview of the NAV abilities. Is there one somewhere?
@nick-carthew said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
The reason that the folder structure is not used in MRA Navigation is Apple CarPlay doesn’t allow folders.
Waw nick... I am flabbergasted, bamboozeld, struck by lightning ....
I do believe you but my opinion on this is very close to the one from Stefan. I wouldn't be able to express it politely in writing, not even with <personal opinion> tags added.
It does illustrate how MRA is constrained by all the platforms it has to deal with and remain compatible with Garmin, TomTom, Apple, Android, Sygic .... A revamp of NAV should bring it in a posiiton where it integrates with the MRA routeplanner, and remains in sync with all new features added to that routeplanner.
In this situation, weaknesses of other platforms will be the limitation of those platforms, and not of MRA.
What does surprise me is the total absence of MRA in this conversation. Errors like "MRA Navigation cannot route without an active internet connection" can be easily corrected (certainly when including how to do it).
I know that the intention is that this is a community forum run by the community for the community but how can MRA consider that it is not part of that community??
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@matt-flaming
Hello @MattMRA should develop according to the guidelines set by Apple.
With this, Apple indeed determines what is allowed and what is not allowed in an App that wants to be allowed in the Apple Store.
MRA Navigation works in AppleCarplay and you can load your routes there via an event or list of routes.
For example, every platform for which you develop an app has its own guidelines that you must adhere to as a developer.
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