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  • Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

    I think the conclusion is that Garmin provides different maps in different countries.

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    Reinhard-32
    wrote on last edited by
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    @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master No Hans, I don‘t think so. Here is the creator of the map and sells them to Garmin. Garmin prepared the map for using at garmin sat navs. When you look at the origin here map then yo can see that the discussed road is not there.

    https://wego.here.com/?map=43.59131,17.52787,13,normal

    Kindly regards
    Reinhard

    ZumoXT, Zumo 590, Montana 700i and Mac

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    • Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

      I think the conclusion is that Garmin provides different maps in different countries.

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      @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master

      Friends, I am embarrassed. This road doesn't exist in Basecamp and I didn't realize it. Shame on me. What I did is imported the track into Basecamp and converted it to a route. Looked at it in Bacecamp and it looks like a route.

      Now I have loaded the route on my 595, the calculation works and the route can be started.

      So again checked the Zümo, I do not have OSM maps installed.
      I am now quite confused, thought I understand it after all these years.

      Would Garmin now route me on the route even though it does NOT exist on the map?

      Again, apologies and thanks to all.

      lg Kudee

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        The road and route can be seen using the TomTom map in MRA. I thought TomTom was no good for off road 😊 e5c5cc58-45ff-4e51-9e91-c2aafb70de80-image.png

        Always willing to help if I can.
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        MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
        Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
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        • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

          The road and route can be seen using the TomTom map in MRA. I thought TomTom was no good for off road 😊 e5c5cc58-45ff-4e51-9e91-c2aafb70de80-image.png

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          @Nick-Carthew Nick, you miss out the point. Question is if Gamin would route me or not. MRA wouldn't. No problem with OSMand.
          Hope i understand it the right way?
          lg Kudee

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          • Kudeeundefined Kudee

            @Nick-Carthew Nick, you miss out the point. Question is if Gamin would route me or not. MRA wouldn't. No problem with OSMand.
            Hope i understand it the right way?
            lg Kudee

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            @Kudee I was being funny 😁

            Always willing to help if I can.
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            MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
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            • Reinhard-32undefined Reinhard-32

              @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master No Hans, I don‘t think so. Here is the creator of the map and sells them to Garmin. Garmin prepared the map for using at garmin sat navs. When you look at the origin here map then yo can see that the discussed road is not there.

              https://wego.here.com/?map=43.59131,17.52787,13,normal

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              RouteXpert
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              @Reinhard-32

              In @Kudee basecamp NTU map the road is there I believe, but in my NTU map, same version, the road is not there

              Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
              Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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                #53

                If it’s any consolation, Calimoto Premium uses OSM and it can’t route that particular track either. 😳

                You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                • Steve Lynchundefined Steve Lynch

                  If it’s any consolation, Calimoto Premium uses OSM and it can’t route that particular track either. 😳

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                  @Steve-Lynch OSMand as well 🙄

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                  • Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

                    @Reinhard-32

                    In @Kudee basecamp NTU map the road is there I believe, but in my NTU map, same version, the road is not there

                    Reinhard-32undefined Do not disturb
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                    Reinhard-32
                    wrote on last edited by Reinhard-32
                    #55

                    @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
                    Hans, see Kudee‘s comment here:
                    Friends, I am embarrassed. This road doesn't exist in Basecamp and I didn't realize it. Shame on me. What I did is imported the track into Basecamp and converted it to a route. Looked at it in Bacecamp and it looks like a route.

                    What he saw was the track and not the road. In the Garmin map at BaseCamp the road unfortunately doesn‘t exist.

                    Kindly regards
                    Reinhard

                    ZumoXT, Zumo 590, Montana 700i and Mac

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                    • Reinhard-32undefined Reinhard-32

                      @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
                      Hans, see Kudee‘s comment here:
                      Friends, I am embarrassed. This road doesn't exist in Basecamp and I didn't realize it. Shame on me. What I did is imported the track into Basecamp and converted it to a route. Looked at it in Bacecamp and it looks like a route.

                      What he saw was the track and not the road. In the Garmin map at BaseCamp the road unfortunately doesn‘t exist.

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                      RouteXpert
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #56

                      @Reinhard-32

                      Thanks

                      Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
                      Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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                        #57

                        So...
                        Happy that Here maps seem to be equal between MRA an Basecamp after all
                        Unhappy that Here seems to be lagging after OSM.
                        But perhaps Here considers this road as no road, while TT and OSM do. Is it drivable by car? I think for most map-makers that would be a factor of importance.

                        I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

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                        • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                          So...
                          Happy that Here maps seem to be equal between MRA an Basecamp after all
                          Unhappy that Here seems to be lagging after OSM.
                          But perhaps Here considers this road as no road, while TT and OSM do. Is it drivable by car? I think for most map-makers that would be a factor of importance.

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                          @Con-Hennekens
                          Good question. Can the road be driven on by car? Or what are roads? I unfortunately do not have a track of the route driven in Ukraine (No Internet) also because the recording of tracks at MRA is poorly implemented. The track shown by me is legal to drive on. THAT should perhaps be the indicator whether the road / track is displayed.

                          What about TET tracks? Are these visible in Garmin / MRA?

                          lg Kudee

                          PS: My 595 is still running and I have OSM loaded for each of the STAN states. My goal is to navigate only with the mobile.
                          OSMand makes a good impression, 2 apps make it complicated again.

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                          • Kudeeundefined Kudee

                            @Con-Hennekens
                            Good question. Can the road be driven on by car? Or what are roads? I unfortunately do not have a track of the route driven in Ukraine (No Internet) also because the recording of tracks at MRA is poorly implemented. The track shown by me is legal to drive on. THAT should perhaps be the indicator whether the road / track is displayed.

                            What about TET tracks? Are these visible in Garmin / MRA?

                            lg Kudee

                            PS: My 595 is still running and I have OSM loaded for each of the STAN states. My goal is to navigate only with the mobile.
                            OSMand makes a good impression, 2 apps make it complicated again.

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                            wrote on last edited by
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                            @Kudee

                            The TET routes are generally a mix of routable roads and off-road tracks.
                            I.e. Linking off-road tracks together via routable roads.
                            I have no experience with OSMand so can’t comment on that.
                            The TET tracks are freely available so in theory you could import them into
                            OSMand and see what you get.
                            The Garmin XT can handle off-road tracks but the Here maps can’t as far as I know.

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