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  • Stefan Hummelinkundefined Stefan Hummelink

    @Nick-Carthew So Nick, now you can try to learn Dutch!πŸ€™ 😁 English vs Dutch in my post above. I see opportunities. 😁

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    @StefanHummelink Thanks for the translation. I sometimes feel embarrassed by my European friends ability to speak more than one language. πŸ˜•

    Always willing to help if I can.
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    • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

      @StefanHummelink Thanks for the translation. I sometimes feel embarrassed by my European friends ability to speak more than one language. πŸ˜•

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      @Nick-Carthew don't be! Multilingual education is one of the benefits of living in an country with a non-world language(like Dutch), for lack of a better term ... πŸ™‚
      In the Netherlands by default we learn German and French since that are the adjacent countries that are not similar to Dutch. Vlaams (Part of Belgium) is similar to Dutch so we can understand eachother already

      Funny thing though is that my parents speak German significantly better than I do due to the fact that in the early years of television German TV was far more available than English TV, or at least the presence of English on the TV. English for them is harder than for us young people. πŸ˜€

      Manks bu'j te bange.

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      • Stefan Hummelinkundefined Stefan Hummelink

        @Nick-Carthew don't be! Multilingual education is one of the benefits of living in an country with a non-world language(like Dutch), for lack of a better term ... πŸ™‚
        In the Netherlands by default we learn German and French since that are the adjacent countries that are not similar to Dutch. Vlaams (Part of Belgium) is similar to Dutch so we can understand eachother already

        Funny thing though is that my parents speak German significantly better than I do due to the fact that in the early years of television German TV was far more available than English TV, or at least the presence of English on the TV. English for them is harder than for us young people. πŸ˜€

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        @StefanHummelink we invented our own version of the dutch language; it is called west-flemish and even people from the next village are unabel to understand each other

        It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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        • Drabslabundefined Drabslab

          @StefanHummelink we invented our own version of the dutch language; it is called west-flemish and even people from the next village are unabel to understand each other

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          @Drabslab Hahahaha, in my local region we sort of have the same thing: Twents Dialect. People on the other side of the river Ijssel, cannot understand us 😁

          Manks bu'j te bange.

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            Hi Stefan
            The link is: https://www.myrouteapp.com/nl/social/route/4604579?mode=share

            When switching between Open street map (standard) - in this view the route is OK, take close look at the route between route point 18 and 19. 11 and 12 etc.
            When switching to Here: It messes it up. On the iPhone iOS Navigation app: i believe it selects the Here map as standard? Is there a way to change that to Open street map?

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              If I would make the route in Here, it most likely will be identical to the navigation app.
              But I would miss all the Bicycle routes. Is there a work around for this?

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              • Martin Middelkoopundefined Martin Middelkoop

                If I would make the route in Here, it most likely will be identical to the navigation app.
                But I would miss all the Bicycle routes. Is there a work around for this?

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                @Martin-Middelkoop
                The Here maps are primary made for engine driven vehicles and not for bicycles. I have inspected your trip via street view and the added picture maybe explains why the routing at the here map is not possible between point 18 and 19.

                AF3656EB-2B0B-47B7-B5AF-3D3E970973FD.jpeg

                Kindly regards
                Reinhard

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                • Martin Middelkoopundefined Martin Middelkoop

                  Hi Stefan
                  The link is: https://www.myrouteapp.com/nl/social/route/4604579?mode=share

                  When switching between Open street map (standard) - in this view the route is OK, take close look at the route between route point 18 and 19. 11 and 12 etc.
                  When switching to Here: It messes it up. On the iPhone iOS Navigation app: i believe it selects the Here map as standard? Is there a way to change that to Open street map?

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                  #14

                  @Martin-Middelkoop The behaviour you're seeing is completely expected since the Here map is different from the OpenStreetMap and it is very likely that the bicicyle roads you've been using in the OSM map, are not present in the Here map. This last point can actually be seen:

                  a2704648-1a66-4f4f-b80f-b603b77a0111-image.png
                  Road between wp11 and wp12 is recognized in the OpenStreetMap.
                  While in the Here map this road does not exist(disruption in the white road, shown by the Here overlay) and therefore the Here algorithm(used by the Navigation app) goes haywire. In fact it just calculates a route between wp11 and wp12 based on the roads it knows:
                  82aa6760-102a-42f7-b2d1-9432af7ec475-image.png

                  Unfortunately there is no way to change the map algorithm used by MRA Nagation. Not yet. Many people have requested this feature, but it remains to be seen if this will be developed. Maybe in the next roadmap?

                  One workaround may be to: create a lot of waypoints at the bicycle roads the Here map does not recognize (use the 'compare with Here' functionality from the toolkit), and set those addedn waypoints to Offroad/Skip. As soon as the MRA Navigation will handle offroad points correctly, you'll see straight lines on your screen between the waypoints but at least you can cycle the road :). For example:
                  9d581dcb-190b-4d2d-ae18-bf7a8d0db065-image.png
                  Notice how the green line(Here calculation) now follows the black line(OpenStreetMap calculation) for all the 'Offroad' waypoints (it's underneath the black line very faintly) and how it stops at waypoint 21 because waypoint 22 is not set to 'offroad'

                  Manks bu'j te bange.

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                  • Martin Middelkoopundefined Martin Middelkoop

                    If I would make the route in Here, it most likely will be identical to the navigation app.
                    But I would miss all the Bicycle routes. Is there a work around for this?

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                    @Martin-Middelkoop The suggestion of Stefan may seem cumbersome, but it actually works. It is very close to the way of working in the early days of navigation, at times when the Garmin etrex was considered a miracle device, even when it could not calculate anything; It could only show on a tiny screen what your position was and where the next waypoint was. It had a massive 24Mb of internal memory.

                    still, I drove all the way to Italy with that thing (and back, of course) without needing a map.

                    It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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                    • Drabslabundefined Drabslab

                      @Martin-Middelkoop The suggestion of Stefan may seem cumbersome, but it actually works. It is very close to the way of working in the early days of navigation, at times when the Garmin etrex was considered a miracle device, even when it could not calculate anything; It could only show on a tiny screen what your position was and where the next waypoint was. It had a massive 24Mb of internal memory.

                      still, I drove all the way to Italy with that thing (and back, of course) without needing a map.

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                      @Drabslab @Martin-Middelkoop Although my proposed method works in theory, it does not work yet with MRA navigation since the app cannot distinguish normal waypoints from Offroad waypoints. Therefore routecalculation fails when too many offroad points are used. I made you happy with a dead bug.

                      My apologies. We'll have to wait for the developers to update the app so that this functionality is included in the navigation app as well.

                      Manks bu'j te bange.

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                        @Drabslab @StefanHummelink Thanks. will wait for that possible update of the Navigation app

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