Insert Pause removed from navigation

[JP d]

@Nick-Carthew Hi Nick. Thanks for the explanation.

I think the ETA while navigating should include the inserted pause while planning, otherwise what's the point of adding it.

I've had it before where a hotel called asking for my eta as it was getting late and I couldn't just glance down while riding and give the time. I had to remember what stops I had left, how long each stop would be and add that to the current eta.

Hope that makes sense.

Cheers

[a white mouse on the motorbike]

In my experience, the breaks I schedule are merely a guide. I can never say exactly in advance how long it will take, for example, to get a drink or a meal. For planning purposes, it’s useful to be able to make an estimate, which gives you a rough finishing time.
But once you’re on the road, it becomes tricky, and you’d have to stick strictly to the times you’ve entered.
When I’m driving, I just try to keep an eye on the estimated finish time. That tells me how much time I’ve got left for a pause.
But perhaps it would be a good idea, if possible, to add an extra button for an ETA that includes pauses

[M. Schrijver]

I think most people know what their average speed while riding is. Mostly it is around 50-60 km/h (closer to 50). Time to take a break can differ a lot.
When i ride alone i add max 1 hour to calculated riding time.
When i ride with a few other people (4-5 persons) i calculate with 30 km/h (including breaks).

[Brian McG]

@JP-d I appreciate how you would like the Pause time included but I sit on the other side of the fence & definitely don't want it included
so I think @white.mouse suggestion to have an option would be the way to keep all happy

for me the ETA is one of the most important pieces of information when leading a group
I don't expect the ETA to be anywhere near 100% accurate, but as long as I can see the ETA is not growing (getting later) by a huge amount then I can judge when I will arrive
If it is growing by a large amount then I know I need to change the plan & take a more direct route

for me having the pauses included as @travellexxie says the Garmins do, causes all sorts of panic in members of the groups I lead, as they often see late ETA's which I know from experience we will easily arrive earlier
You cannot trust an ETA it is only an "estimate"

[Travellexxie]

@Nick-Carthew it is more that inside MRA, pauses are used in trips, and I like this feature and I wonder if it can be implemented in the app. During riding, you can see when it is time to phone your wife so she can start preparing diner

[Travellexxie]

@Brian-McG well I am not panicking
Users I speak are delighted with this feature.

[JP d]

Interesting that others prefer just seeing riding time eta. Guess I'll just stick to adding 2.5 hours to the eta.

[Travellexxie]

@JP-d see it as "travelling time", so you don't have to do anything, it is just what you have planned earlier

[M. Schrijver]

@JP-d said:

Interesting that others prefer just seeing riding time eta.

It is the only question i get when i ride with others. "When are we back".

[JP d]

@M.-Schrijver yes, I get the same question when leading a ride. But if we still have a Pub stop and petrol station before arriving at our hotel then I can't give them the eta on MRA. I have to add 50min for the Pub and 10min for petrol. That's why I'd like eta to include time stopped at breaks so when I get asked what time we get back I can glance and say around such time . Currently we set off around 09:00 eta says 15:00 but we don't actually arrive till 17:30. Because it doesn't account for time spent at stops.

[M. Schrijver]

That's why i calculate with a certain average speed. After many years of experience i am mostly no more than 30 minutes off compared to the ETA time i said in the morning we started the route.