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Navigation Option Show "Original Route" Does Not Display Consistently

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  • Brian McGundefined Brian McG

    @Corjan-Meijerink sorry the divergences of the "original route" are sometimes not minor, they are major, hundreds of metres, plus the issue is the system is not consistent

    if the original route can fit to the road correctly after the route is edited in the app route planner,
    why does it not fit correctly when the last edit is done on the web planner?

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    Alpha tester
    wrote on last edited by
    #12

    @Brian-McG, are you saying that a web-planned route that shows these imperfections does NOT show those imperfections if it got last edited in the in-app planner? That would be interesting...

    I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

    Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

    Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / Motorola Thinkphone + MRA app

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    • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

      @Brian-McG, are you saying that a web-planned route that shows these imperfections does NOT show those imperfections if it got last edited in the in-app planner? That would be interesting...

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      #13

      @Con-Hennekens yes that is what I am saying, it would be nice if someone could replicate 😜
      I am seeing the error in offline navigation
      the route is edited in web planner - then synced to the device
      the device is taken offline (airplane mode or wifi/network off)
      the route is opened & navigation started with original route displayed

      sometimes the web planned route appears ok with small errors as @Corjan-Meijerink expects
      other times it can have larger errors & occasionally very huge errors
      if I edit the web planned route in the app planner it seems to fit perfectly
      75201e35-fab7-4c42-9ab5-2229d9da0572-image.png

      I can understand the idea of trying to save storage, reduce data & speed up transfer
      if the errors were always small then I would say - not a problem
      when the error is large the original track line can obscure whole junctions & makes it difficult to read the map
      for me the problem is the original route is not displayed consistently

      I don't think a long term solution is to re-edit every route every time it is transferred/synced to the app

      oh & don't forget the lack of contrast with a white original track
      on the default garmin style map with this bug you can see nothing of the roads

      BlackView BV7100, Android 12
      Normaly navigate Routes in Offline mode with Offline Maps

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      • Brian McGundefined Brian McG

        @Con-Hennekens yes that is what I am saying, it would be nice if someone could replicate 😜
        I am seeing the error in offline navigation
        the route is edited in web planner - then synced to the device
        the device is taken offline (airplane mode or wifi/network off)
        the route is opened & navigation started with original route displayed

        sometimes the web planned route appears ok with small errors as @Corjan-Meijerink expects
        other times it can have larger errors & occasionally very huge errors
        if I edit the web planned route in the app planner it seems to fit perfectly
        75201e35-fab7-4c42-9ab5-2229d9da0572-image.png

        I can understand the idea of trying to save storage, reduce data & speed up transfer
        if the errors were always small then I would say - not a problem
        when the error is large the original track line can obscure whole junctions & makes it difficult to read the map
        for me the problem is the original route is not displayed consistently

        I don't think a long term solution is to re-edit every route every time it is transferred/synced to the app

        oh & don't forget the lack of contrast with a white original track
        on the default garmin style map with this bug you can see nothing of the roads

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        Alpha tester
        wrote on last edited by
        #14

        @Brian-McG, This is a good find. Thanks for your elaborate explanation. I will try to replicate this behavior.

        I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

        Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

        Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / Motorola Thinkphone + MRA app

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        • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

          @Brian-McG, This is a good find. Thanks for your elaborate explanation. I will try to replicate this behavior.

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          wrote on last edited by Brian McG
          #15

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          Sometimes the errors with the "original track" can be huge,
          with the above route the "original route" is wrong by hundreds & hundreds of metres

          what causes the wrong calculation of the "original route" in offline mode?

          I have also noticed that with a route created in the web planner,
          if the navigation is started with a network connection, the "original route" will fit perfectly to the road
          the same as when the route is edited in the app planner, you get a perfect fit

          I only seem to get the bad fit of the "original route" when I start the navigation in offline mode

          BlackView BV7100, Android 12
          Normaly navigate Routes in Offline mode with Offline Maps

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          • Brian McGundefined Brian McG

            11b9a4e5-c06f-49ec-947c-6acb931ccd2e-image.png
            Sometimes the errors with the "original track" can be huge,
            with the above route the "original route" is wrong by hundreds & hundreds of metres

            what causes the wrong calculation of the "original route" in offline mode?

            I have also noticed that with a route created in the web planner,
            if the navigation is started with a network connection, the "original route" will fit perfectly to the road
            the same as when the route is edited in the app planner, you get a perfect fit

            I only seem to get the bad fit of the "original route" when I start the navigation in offline mode

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            @Brian-McG, Tried to replicate this some days ago, but did not succeed... Although I have seen these straight lines before too, I was not able to replicate it in any circumstance you described. I was surprised by that and don't understand why. Old routes, new routes, offline, online, changed in the webplanner, I could not get the straight lines to appear. I'll try again later, probably after the holiday season.

            I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

            Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

            Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / Motorola Thinkphone + MRA app

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              Marinus van Deudekom
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              wrote on last edited by
              #17

              I've seen the same behavior during my 8 days trip in the Eiffel 2 weeks ago. It was clear to see it when driving hair pins.
              I was driving offline

              Honda Goldwing GL1500,
              Honda Silverwing GL 650
              DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
              Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
              Samsung S24FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                wrote on last edited by Nick Carthew
                #18

                I think the solution is to open the route when you have wi-fi, irrespective of whether you will navigate online or offline. I had this happen to me a few weeks back, so from that point I have always opened the route with wi-fi before navigating and I haven't had the problem since.

                Always willing to help if I can.
                Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox BJ8

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                • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                  I think the solution is to open the route when you have wi-fi, irrespective of whether you will navigate online or offline. I had this happen to me a few weeks back, so from that point I have always opened the route with wi-fi before navigating and I haven't had the problem since.

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                  #19

                  @Nick-Carthew my problem was that the WiFi was Shi... To

                  Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                  Honda Silverwing GL 650
                  DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                  Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                  Samsung S24FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                  • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                    I think the solution is to open the route when you have wi-fi, irrespective of whether you will navigate online or offline. I had this happen to me a few weeks back, so from that point I have always opened the route with wi-fi before navigating and I haven't had the problem since.

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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #20

                    @Nick-Carthew yes the problem only appears if you try to start to try navigating with the device offline i.e. with no internet, no wifi connection
                    the route must be last edited in the web planner

                    if you open/edit on the device with an internet/wifi/online connection, it will recalculate the "original route" & you won't see the problem

                    as far as I am concerned this is a definitive hard reproducible bug
                    I can replicate it on 3 different devices with 2 different accounts

                    now I know there are several work arounds, it is not so much of a big issue for me
                    just a pain having to go through extra steps to get things to work
                    but as this seems to be the norm for mra, things never quite work as expected ... hey ho

                    BlackView BV7100, Android 12
                    Normaly navigate Routes in Offline mode with Offline Maps

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                    • Brian McGundefined Brian McG

                      @Nick-Carthew yes the problem only appears if you try to start to try navigating with the device offline i.e. with no internet, no wifi connection
                      the route must be last edited in the web planner

                      if you open/edit on the device with an internet/wifi/online connection, it will recalculate the "original route" & you won't see the problem

                      as far as I am concerned this is a definitive hard reproducible bug
                      I can replicate it on 3 different devices with 2 different accounts

                      now I know there are several work arounds, it is not so much of a big issue for me
                      just a pain having to go through extra steps to get things to work
                      but as this seems to be the norm for mra, things never quite work as expected ... hey ho

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                      Marinus van Deudekom
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #21

                      @Brian-McG when the Devs find some time maybe they can fix it For me also low priority

                      Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                      Honda Silverwing GL 650
                      DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                      Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                      Samsung S24FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                      • Brian McGundefined Brian McG

                        @Con-Hennekens yes that is what I am saying, it would be nice if someone could replicate 😜
                        I am seeing the error in offline navigation
                        the route is edited in web planner - then synced to the device
                        the device is taken offline (airplane mode or wifi/network off)
                        the route is opened & navigation started with original route displayed

                        sometimes the web planned route appears ok with small errors as @Corjan-Meijerink expects
                        other times it can have larger errors & occasionally very huge errors
                        if I edit the web planned route in the app planner it seems to fit perfectly
                        75201e35-fab7-4c42-9ab5-2229d9da0572-image.png

                        I can understand the idea of trying to save storage, reduce data & speed up transfer
                        if the errors were always small then I would say - not a problem
                        when the error is large the original track line can obscure whole junctions & makes it difficult to read the map
                        for me the problem is the original route is not displayed consistently

                        I don't think a long term solution is to re-edit every route every time it is transferred/synced to the app

                        oh & don't forget the lack of contrast with a white original track
                        on the default garmin style map with this bug you can see nothing of the roads

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                        #22

                        @Brian-McG said in Navigation Option Show "Original Route" Does Not Display Consistently:

                        if I edit the web planned route in the app planner it seems to fit perfectly

                        Brian you absolute LEGEND! you found a work around! I just tried it. WiFi and 4G off.

                        Offline maps and the original route was all over the place, hit the pencil icon and BOOM it follows the exact route!!

                        This is such a great hack, I had turned off (Show Original route) as it was doing more bad than good.

                        The downside is being taken down a single track thinking I don't remember planning this only to realise it wasn't part of the original route.

                        Now thanks to you I can avoid that! Thank you so much!!!

                        Hopefully the MRA team will come up with a fix in the next update @Corjan-Meijerink more work your way mate cheers đŸ».

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