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  • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Offline
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    Corjan Meijerink
    Developer
    wrote on last edited by
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    To be fair, you really do not need to touch the app that much! Skipping viapoints would be the only thing really ๐Ÿ™‚

    Or if you do not agree with the app / want to manually select another waypoint you might need your phone. I rarely encounter a situation where I need to touch the phone while driving.

    If you feel the need to control the app while riding, bluetooth controllers (we support many) are an excellent solution. Native CarPlay / Android Auto devices already are controllable using buttons in your car / on the handlebar.

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    • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

      To be fair, you really do not need to touch the app that much! Skipping viapoints would be the only thing really ๐Ÿ™‚

      Or if you do not agree with the app / want to manually select another waypoint you might need your phone. I rarely encounter a situation where I need to touch the phone while driving.

      If you feel the need to control the app while riding, bluetooth controllers (we support many) are an excellent solution. Native CarPlay / Android Auto devices already are controllable using buttons in your car / on the handlebar.

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      M. Schrijver
      Valued contributor
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      @Corjan-Meijerink
      Skipping a routepoint is the whole issue. I've tried it in Schotland with the handlebar controller. It costs me a few hunderd meters of distance an no eyes on the road to skip a point in Android Auto.

      • Press OK to popup the options.
      • Scroll with the cursor to the skip button. Multiple times push on the cursor button is needed.
      • Press OK to use the skip function.
      • Then confirm you want to skip a point by pressing the OK button again. You need to read which point is gonna be skipped and remember which is the last popint you saw on your screen. Because maybe you need to skip more points.
        This is not a safe procedure and totally unnecessary. The software should handle this flawless.

      You are correct. When everything goes as it should be, then there is no need for touch the phone. But if things are not going as it should be there should be no reason to touch you phone. The software should fix this period.

      (I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)

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      • M. Schrijverundefined M. Schrijver

        @Corjan-Meijerink
        Skipping a routepoint is the whole issue. I've tried it in Schotland with the handlebar controller. It costs me a few hunderd meters of distance an no eyes on the road to skip a point in Android Auto.

        • Press OK to popup the options.
        • Scroll with the cursor to the skip button. Multiple times push on the cursor button is needed.
        • Press OK to use the skip function.
        • Then confirm you want to skip a point by pressing the OK button again. You need to read which point is gonna be skipped and remember which is the last popint you saw on your screen. Because maybe you need to skip more points.
          This is not a safe procedure and totally unnecessary. The software should handle this flawless.

        You are correct. When everything goes as it should be, then there is no need for touch the phone. But if things are not going as it should be there should be no reason to touch you phone. The software should fix this period.

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        Corjan Meijerink
        Developer
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        #5

        @M-Schrijver I understand.
        The shapingpoints will be skipped by the app automatically without any interaction. Viapoints wonโ€™t.

        If you dismissed / cancelled the resume option, you indeed need to skip a lot of waypoints manually. Just do that before getting on the bike ๐Ÿ˜‰

        But as said, skipping more waypoints will be possible too from CP/AA in the future. Donโ€™t however expect all features to magically work without any interaction.

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        • M. Schrijverundefined Offline
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          M. Schrijver
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          #6

          I've been driving with TomTom Go for many years.
          This is trackbased navigation but it taught me that magic can happen. TomTom Go is now a rocksolid navigation tool. It does not require user input when riding. When something happens and i am forced to take an alternative route, i force TomTom Go to follow me and mostly within a kilometer more or less it understand my intention and guides me with an logical bypass back to the original route. In many cases TomTom Go calculated the same route as pointed out by roadsigns for the alternative route.

          @Corjan-Meijerink said in Using your phone while riding becomes complicated (Belgium law):

          If you dismissed / cancelled the resume option, you indeed need to skip a lot of waypoints manually. Just do that before getting on the bike

          Do you know how frustrating this is when you know it is not necessary.
          When i write some comment i get the impression that i'm a shouting person in the dessert.
          But when is speak to other persons during holidays or meetings. I get the feeling that i request is not so much different what most other people like.
          Just navigation software that thinks for them.

          (I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)

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          • M. Schrijverundefined M. Schrijver

            I've been driving with TomTom Go for many years.
            This is trackbased navigation but it taught me that magic can happen. TomTom Go is now a rocksolid navigation tool. It does not require user input when riding. When something happens and i am forced to take an alternative route, i force TomTom Go to follow me and mostly within a kilometer more or less it understand my intention and guides me with an logical bypass back to the original route. In many cases TomTom Go calculated the same route as pointed out by roadsigns for the alternative route.

            @Corjan-Meijerink said in Using your phone while riding becomes complicated (Belgium law):

            If you dismissed / cancelled the resume option, you indeed need to skip a lot of waypoints manually. Just do that before getting on the bike

            Do you know how frustrating this is when you know it is not necessary.
            When i write some comment i get the impression that i'm a shouting person in the dessert.
            But when is speak to other persons during holidays or meetings. I get the feeling that i request is not so much different what most other people like.
            Just navigation software that thinks for them.

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            wrote on last edited by Con Hennekens
            #7

            @M-Schrijver said in Using your phone while riding becomes complicated (Belgium law):

            Do you know how frustrating this is when you know it is not necessary.

            It feels like you already have a really great alternative. Why not just use that?

            When i write some comment i get the impression that i'm a shouting person in the dessert.

            Your suggestions are very welcome. The way you think you have to enforce them for me personally is not.

            I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

            Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

            Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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              @Peter-Schiefer said in Using your phone while riding becomes complicated (Belgium law):

              Carried over to touch handling the simplest way is to prevent any touch using when the smartphone is somewhat in move with e.g. more then 7 km/h by GPS measurement

              How does this work for passengers in a vehicle?

              2010 GL1800 Goldwing using Samsung Galaxy S20 5G Android 13.

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              • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                @M-Schrijver I very seldom have to make any changes to an MRA route that I am using but when I do I use my SilverFox Bluetooth Controller. It is also illegal to touch a phone or gps device here in the UK.

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                Howard Millichap
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                #9

                @Nick-Carthew it is not illegal to touch your phone or satnav in the UK so long as it is in a cradle. It's then not "hand held" and would be no different to touching a screen built in to a car. To be prosecuted you would have to be considered as not being in full control of your vehicle. e.g. swerving all over the road whilst fiddling with it.

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                • Howard Millichapundefined Howard Millichap

                  @Nick-Carthew it is not illegal to touch your phone or satnav in the UK so long as it is in a cradle. It's then not "hand held" and would be no different to touching a screen built in to a car. To be prosecuted you would have to be considered as not being in full control of your vehicle. e.g. swerving all over the road whilst fiddling with it.

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                  Nick Carthew
                  RouteXpert
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                  #10

                  @Howard-Millichap Thank you for the clarification. A Bluetooth controller is still the best option though ๐Ÿ˜Š

                  Always willing to help if I can.
                  Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                  MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                  Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                  Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                  TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                  • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                    @Howard-Millichap Thank you for the clarification. A Bluetooth controller is still the best option though ๐Ÿ˜Š

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                    Lynchy67
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                    wrote on last edited by Lynchy67
                    #11

                    @Nick-Carthew

                    Why not ditch Via Points completely then just assign a specific colour to shaping points to be a sudo Via Point.
                    No interaction needed.

                    You donโ€™t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                    • Lynchy67undefined Lynchy67

                      @Nick-Carthew

                      Why not ditch Via Points completely then just assign a specific colour to shaping points to be a sudo Via Point.
                      No interaction needed.

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                      M. Schrijver
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #12

                      @Lynchy67
                      With what purpose?

                      (I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)

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                      • M. Schrijverundefined M. Schrijver

                        @Lynchy67
                        With what purpose?

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                        Valued contributor
                        wrote on last edited by Lynchy67
                        #13

                        @M-Schrijver

                        To negate the need to have any interaction with the route at all.

                        You donโ€™t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                        • Lynchy67undefined Lynchy67

                          @Nick-Carthew

                          Why not ditch Via Points completely then just assign a specific colour to shaping points to be a sudo Via Point.
                          No interaction needed.

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                          @Lynchy67 said in Using your phone while riding becomes complicated (Belgium law):

                          @Nick-Carthew

                          Why not ditch Via Points completely then just assign a specific colour to shaping points to be a sudo Via Point.
                          No interaction needed.

                          Via points are useful for marking stops as via points can be separated, by this I mean that you can use the ETA box to see time and distance to the next via point, useful if you have a rumbling tum like me ๐Ÿ˜ and as I said I seldom need to interact in that sense, ie skipping but if I do it is simple with the SilverFox controller. Most of my interactions with the app are zooming and checking the ETA for the next stop.

                          Always willing to help if I can.
                          Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                          MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                          Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                          Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                          TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                          • Lynchy67undefined Lynchy67

                            @Nick-Carthew

                            Why not ditch Via Points completely then just assign a specific colour to shaping points to be a sudo Via Point.
                            No interaction needed.

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                            Alpha tester
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                            @Lynchy67 said in Using your phone while riding becomes complicated (Belgium law):

                            No interaction needed.

                            What interaction would be prevented but that exactly?

                            I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                            Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                            Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                              #16

                              I suspect the autoskip function.

                              (I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)

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