The compas direction on the elevation circle is wrong

[white.mouse]

@Dave-J-0 said:
I want a simple indication that saves me having to think.

Well the red segment always points to the north.
And the four directions have always been North - East - South - West, clockwise!
How simple do yo want!

[LennyO]

@white.mouse Actually a compass rose like this or similar instead of just segments would help a lot!

[Dave J 0]

@white.mouse It is simple. As your picture shows with North up and all cardinals marked. However, remove the cardinals and have red segment (North) rotating and you have to start thinking which direction you are heading. This is the point that a lot of people are making with wanting a quick, clear idea of what direction they are travelling in, particularly as the North up view does not allow you to zoom out.

A compass is not just about knowing where North is but allows you to see the direction of travel and other paper map reading uses. I use Scenic app on occasions and the compass is great because I see where North is and, at the top, is the direction of travel as S, SW, SE etc.

This thread also talks about the same issue (for some): https://forum.myrouteapp.com/topic/10855/compass-with-direction/5?_=1786207196667

[M. Schrijver]

In the current situation where the red bar shows north and the bar is on right side of the compass, you need do a conversion to conclude you are riding in west direction. When the red bar shows the direction you're heading. You instant know you're riding to the east.

[Brian McG]

the app & display are doing exactly as designed / intended
the issue is that in North Up mode you have to do the mental gymnastics that it shows 2 differing north at the same time

I have to say I find 2 norths a slightly confusing concepts but it is easily resolved
either use a different compass mode, I normally use dynamic so this is not a problem for me

or turn of the altitude display completely, its not really important / relevant information
& I would rather use the few brain cells I have on figuring out what is happening ahead of me on the road than deciding which north is real

[Guzzist]

@M.-Schrijver ...that's the same idea like in the map, if you use the north up view

[Con Hennekens]

If the red segment did show the direction of travel, it would not be called a compass. A compass just shows where North is. I bet in about ten years people also cannot read analogue clocks anymore To be honest, if we have to think about the direction of travel when we know where North is, knowing the direction of travel probably has little value at all.

Maybe a green segment showing the direction of travel is an idea?
Or indeed an extra ring showing N, E, S and W.

[Rob Verhoeff]

I usually get off my bike, find a tree, and check which side has the most moss growing on it!

[Con Hennekens]

@Rob-Verhoeff, Tip From Flip: check the time, look at the sun, no need to get off your bike

[Rob Verhoeff]

@Con-Hennekens only works with no clouds

[Dave J 0]

@Con-Hennekens ring with N, S, E and W would be helpful or as the image I posted above.

And the importance of direction or travel with using a compass: https://osmaps.com/discover/guides/a-beginners-guide-to-using-a-compass/

[LennyO]

@Con-Hennekens i agree! And wholeheartedly vote for the N, S, W, E marking on the segment ring.
Personally, my map is oriented North, making the compass unnecessary. But during pracricing all the options i found this red segment confusing, thus i created this topic. Turns out i was not the only one. I am sure there are many more who are just silent or do not use the forum. So, hopefully something good will come out of it!

[Con Hennekens]

@LennyO, Remember that "North UP" does not show where North is whatsoever. It just indicates you are not holding the map upside down...

[LennyO]

@Con-Hennekens said:

@LennyO, Remember that "North UP" does not show where North is whatsoever. It just indicates you are not holding the map upside down...

What about #2 in this descripption:

[Rob Verhoeff]

@LennyO I think it should say: “In this camera mode, the map does not rotate with your direction of travel but always remains oriented toward the top of the map.”

[LennyO]

@Rob-Verhoeff Bravo! That would stop the confusion for everyone! And this change should be announced to all, as I suspect many people are confused to the point of being frustrated.... me included.

[LennyO]

@Rob-Verhoeff said:

@LennyO I think it should say: “In this camera mode, the map does not rotate with your direction of travel but always remains oriented toward the top of the map.”

LennyO said:

@Rob-Verhoeff Bravo! That would stop the confusion for everyone! And this change should be announced to all, as I suspect many people are confused to the point of being frustrated.... me included.

@nick-carthew Hi, Nick! Would you please assist in correcting the Manual. Thx!

[Nick Carthew]

@LennyO I’m not responsible for the manual and personally I think the wording is perfectly clear. The view is called ‘North up’ and the definition in the manual says
‘North will always be up’ I’m unsure what part is unclear!

[LennyO]

@Nick-Carthew Hi, Nick!
Sorry... i thought you are a part of the crew.
The issue is the fact that North will not always be up. I wish it was.
if you put the map in this orientation, you often see that the Red segment on the elevation circle is NOT pointing up, thus contradicting the manual.
Thank you!

[LennyO]

LennyO said:

@Nick-Carthew Hi, Nick!
Sorry... i thought you are a part of the crew.
The issue is the fact that North will not always be up. I wish it was.
if you put the map in this orientation, you often see that the Red segment on the elevation circle is NOT pointing up, thus contradicting the manual.
Thank you!

@nick-carthew Nick, to clarify my previous post I should add - when you are in fact heading North on the map in North up orientation, the Red segment may be pointing somewhere else, but be at the 12 o'clock. And since the Red segment always shows where the North is there is a conflict in the definition in the manual.