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GPX Versions 1.1 vs 1.2 for Garmin Visually Explained

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  • Carl Leeundefined Carl Lee

    I can answer about 1.2 and Tread. 1.2 is an MRA invention which I used almost exclusively on my previous, non-XT Zumo and it's very good to easily keep your route the same as your track. Zumos recognise it and plot the routes but Tread doesn't. If you allow Trad to sync with a 1.2 route, it will almost certainly change it to follow its own settings/algorithms.
    With any Zumo using a 1.2 route, you must turn off auto-recalculate - otherwise it will! You may well end up with a totally different route between your via points. Also, you will not be redirected back onto your route should you deviate from it.
    The XT2 & 3 will accept 1.2 but only via cable transfer. If you have deleted Explore from Tread by resetting, you will not be able to transfer a route wirelessly other than via an SD card.
    My answer to all these problems, and I realise others have not had the same success, is to use 1.1 (route, track POI) with plenty of shaping points to pin the Zumo/Tread calculated route to my track. Once I've planned my route on MRA, I export it into Tread to see if the route and track coincide. If not, I can add another shaping point where necessary and look again. Sounds a bit of a faff but it's really quite quick and easy once you've done it a few times.
    With 1.1, you can leave auto-recalculate switched on and you will be redirected back to your route if you wander for any reason, including road closures but that's another subject.
    I really like being able to plan on MRA when away and transfer to the Zumo so Tread is my preferred option. If in a hurry, just using an MRA track works well too.
    A long way of saying Tread and 1.2 don't play together.

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    @Carl-Lee
    Hi, I have an XT2 and cannot figure out how to turn off auto-recalculate off? Can you let me know how to turn off auto-recalculate, please?

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      #17

      Have you read the manual page 47?
      https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/GUID-7E13E879-D2C7-4B0C-9E63-CD693B2E7042/EN-US/zumo_XT2_OM_EN-US.pdf

      Kindly regards
      Reinhard

      Montana 700i and Mac

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      • OkayJimundefined OkayJim

        @Carl-Lee
        Hi, I have an XT2 and cannot figure out how to turn off auto-recalculate off? Can you let me know how to turn off auto-recalculate, please?

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        Steve Jarrell
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        #18

        @OkayJim calculation.jpg

        As @reinhard-32 said, this is from page 47 of the XT2 manual. My XT3 is a lttle different, but this is from the .pdf manual downloaded from Garmin's site.

        Steve Jarrell
        Western North Carolina US

        Lifetime Routeplanner Gold & Navigation Next
        2025 BMW R1200GS
        2025 Can-Am Spyder
        DMD T865-X 8" Tablet
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          Thank you Steve. I did eventually figure this out. I thought there was a different setting used during import of files.

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          • OkayJimundefined OkayJim

            Thank you Steve. I did eventually figure this out. I thought there was a different setting used during import of files.

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            @OkayJim You're very welcome. I'm glad that you figured it out!

            Steve Jarrell
            Western North Carolina US

            Lifetime Routeplanner Gold & Navigation Next
            2025 BMW R1200GS
            2025 Can-Am Spyder
            DMD T865-X 8" Tablet
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              #21

              So, with a Zumo 595, if I export as 1.2, do I import as a track ??

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              • Papasmurf2undefined Papasmurf2

                So, with a Zumo 595, if I export as 1.2, do I import as a track ??

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                @Papasmurf2 No. Import it as a route if you want your 595 to create a route from it. You can import both the route and the track if you wish.

                The 1.2 .gpx format embeds the track information in the route information of the file. This embedded track information within the route forces the Garmin to create the route exactly like you intended when it imports the 1.2 .gpx file.

                The track itself is also included in a separate section of the .gpx file so you can import the track as well as the route.

                In other words, the 1.2 .gpx files contains two copies of the track. One is embedded within the route information section, and another copy is in a separate track section. When you use the "Save As" feature from within MRA you'll see that the file contains the route (with embedded track information), the track itself and the POI information.

                gpx.jpg

                To illustrate this, I created a VERY simple route with just the starting point, one shaping point and the finish point. You can view my route here in MRA.

                Here's a copy of that simple route saved as a 1.2 .gpx file. You can download it and then view it with any text editor. I also created a .pdf file to clearly show the various sections that you can view here from the .gpx file.

                You'll see in my example .pdf file that the green section is the Header, the yellow section is the actual route with the embedded track which forces the Garmin to follow the exact path that you intended, and the blue section is the actual track that can also be imported.

                I hope this helps!

                Steve Jarrell
                Western North Carolina US

                Lifetime Routeplanner Gold & Navigation Next
                2025 BMW R1200GS
                2025 Can-Am Spyder
                DMD T865-X 8" Tablet
                Garmin XT3

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                  #23

                  I'm confused - I have had an XT2 and an XT3 (free upgrade thanks to Garmin). I only export using GPX 1.1 and have not had any issued at all when using complex route.

                  It's late at night, but how I'm reading it, is that you're suggesting only using GPX 1.2 with the XT3?

                  KTM 1290 Super Adventure S

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                    If you want to have your route follow EXACTLY what you've planned in MRA you will absolutely have issues using 1.1 unless you put shaping points virtually everywhere along your route.

                    When the Garmin XT imports your .gpx 1.1 route IT decides the fastest or shortest route, whether to get on the freeway or not, etc. (depending on your settings) and the resulting route may, but probably won't be exactly what you had planned in MRA. 1.2 doesn't have these issues as the actual track is embedded in the route and the Garmin unit is forced to follow EXACTLY what you had planned.

                    Steve Jarrell
                    Western North Carolina US

                    Lifetime Routeplanner Gold & Navigation Next
                    2025 BMW R1200GS
                    2025 Can-Am Spyder
                    DMD T865-X 8" Tablet
                    Garmin XT3

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                    • Steve Jarrellundefined Steve Jarrell

                      If you want to have your route follow EXACTLY what you've planned in MRA you will absolutely have issues using 1.1 unless you put shaping points virtually everywhere along your route.

                      When the Garmin XT imports your .gpx 1.1 route IT decides the fastest or shortest route, whether to get on the freeway or not, etc. (depending on your settings) and the resulting route may, but probably won't be exactly what you had planned in MRA. 1.2 doesn't have these issues as the actual track is embedded in the route and the Garmin unit is forced to follow EXACTLY what you had planned.

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                      #25

                      @Steve-Jarrell but you have to turn off auto recalculation and navigate yourself back to the magenta line if you are diverted. Otherwise the Garmin will take you to the end of the route using it's own routing logic.

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