Switching to offline with a very poor internet connection
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Re: offlineHello,
Version 4.3.7
Pixel 9 Pro XL
Android Auto via cable in bz4X
Navigation works fine until:
I drive 500 metres apart into a forest to do what old men have to do after drinking coffee.
Smartphone stays in the vehicle.
The vehicle remains activated, in the past you would have said: the ignition remains switched on.
I then return to the route, which is now displayed in white.
There are driving instructions that do not match the visible route.
The reason is that the next waypoint, which is over 30 kilometres away, was skipped.
Then stop and select the original waypoint, which now works quite simply compared to previous versions.
Route is recalculated, although I am on it, is ok.
Remedy: Route calculation failed.
Cause: LTE with poor reception instead of G5, as can occur in the Weser mountains.
The smartphone reports that it is online, but the connection is obviously so poor that the calculation fails.
Lots of fiddling with AA and finally with the smartphone itself. Manual switch to offline.
Drive on.How about suppressing the <route calculation failed> message when offline maps are available.
And the offline maps and the offline calculation are used. WITHOUT error message, at most an information.
Then the normal algorithm for activating online mode can run.Looking forward to your feedback
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Re: offlineHello,
Version 4.3.7
Pixel 9 Pro XL
Android Auto via cable in bz4X
Navigation works fine until:
I drive 500 metres apart into a forest to do what old men have to do after drinking coffee.
Smartphone stays in the vehicle.
The vehicle remains activated, in the past you would have said: the ignition remains switched on.
I then return to the route, which is now displayed in white.
There are driving instructions that do not match the visible route.
The reason is that the next waypoint, which is over 30 kilometres away, was skipped.
Then stop and select the original waypoint, which now works quite simply compared to previous versions.
Route is recalculated, although I am on it, is ok.
Remedy: Route calculation failed.
Cause: LTE with poor reception instead of G5, as can occur in the Weser mountains.
The smartphone reports that it is online, but the connection is obviously so poor that the calculation fails.
Lots of fiddling with AA and finally with the smartphone itself. Manual switch to offline.
Drive on.How about suppressing the <route calculation failed> message when offline maps are available.
And the offline maps and the offline calculation are used. WITHOUT error message, at most an information.
Then the normal algorithm for activating online mode can run.Looking forward to your feedback
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@Rainer-Treichel, the offline maps are being used, whether you enabled offline Navigation or not. That option only tells whether the route calculations are done online (with traffic info if enabled) or offline (without traffic info no matter what). If you stop (for whatever you do in the forest) you should stop navigation. You can resume before you drive off again. Personally, I have a habit of keeping the route going too, but at least I also have a habit of checking the route before I drive off again
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@Rainer-Treichel, the offline maps are being used, whether you enabled offline Navigation or not. That option only tells whether the route calculations are done online (with traffic info if enabled) or offline (without traffic info no matter what). If you stop (for whatever you do in the forest) you should stop navigation. You can resume before you drive off again. Personally, I have a habit of keeping the route going too, but at least I also have a habit of checking the route before I drive off again
@Con-Hennekens
Thanks for the answer!
#1 The continuation of a running route must work. A workaraound with pause and resume makes sense if the pause lasts a long time and I'm travelling far (how far is that?) from the route. A pee break is not part of it for me.#2 Actually, my concern was that the route calculation must not fail at any time as long as there is power in the battery. It shouldn't if it automatically switches to offline
<Route cannot be calculated> is already annoying in a car and dangerous on a motorbike.
Displaying the original route takes away a lot of the anxiety, which is a great feature.#3 No answer on the subject of poor online connection.
A smartphone is also online with GSM. However, the connection is so poor that online route calculation is not possible.
My suggestion: Switch to offline if the route calculation fails. I.e. when the above-mentioned error message appears. Regardless of the online status displayed.A lot of words, but I think the #1 route software you are developing is worth it.
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@Con-Hennekens
Thanks for the answer!
#1 The continuation of a running route must work. A workaraound with pause and resume makes sense if the pause lasts a long time and I'm travelling far (how far is that?) from the route. A pee break is not part of it for me.#2 Actually, my concern was that the route calculation must not fail at any time as long as there is power in the battery. It shouldn't if it automatically switches to offline
<Route cannot be calculated> is already annoying in a car and dangerous on a motorbike.
Displaying the original route takes away a lot of the anxiety, which is a great feature.#3 No answer on the subject of poor online connection.
A smartphone is also online with GSM. However, the connection is so poor that online route calculation is not possible.
My suggestion: Switch to offline if the route calculation fails. I.e. when the above-mentioned error message appears. Regardless of the online status displayed.A lot of words, but I think the #1 route software you are developing is worth it.
@Rainer-Treichel said in Switching to offline with a very poor internet connection:
A pee break is not part of it for me.
You said earlier you drive off the road for half a kilometer. That can definitely be the cause for multiple recalculations.
My suggestion: Switch to offline if the route calculation fails. I.e. when the above-mentioned error message appears.
As far as I know you get a message asking you to go offline, was that not the case?
A lot of words, but I think the #1 route software you are developing is worth it.
Credits to the MRA team, it's not my development
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Another break to - well, you know.
This time by motorbike and on the smartphone without car.
My next waypoint would have been #12, about 1km away.
When I came back #21 was selected.
And I think I know the reason.
GPS in the forest, constantly changing positions. Even if it's only a few metres.
Add to that constantly changing directions, the map is constantly rotating.
Every skip algorithm thinks the driver is driving erratically in circles and starts skipping waypoints.
I know how GPS works and I'm always surprised at how good it is. Recognising a stationary! vehicle is really difficult.
I can't judge how the other sensors in the smartphone can help.Something for you makers to think about again!
Best regards
Mal wieder eine Pause, um -na du weißt schon.
Diesmal mit dem Motorrad und auf dem smartphone ohne auto/car.
Mein nächster Wegpunkt wäre #12 gewesen, ca 1km entfernt.
Als ich zurück kam war #21 ausgewählt.
Und ich denke, daß ich den Grund kenne.
GPS im Wald, ständig wechselnde Positionen. Auch wenn es nur ein paar Meter sind.
Dazu kommen noch ständig wechselnde Richtungen, die Karte rotiert ständig.
Da denkt jeder skip-Algorithmus, der Fahrer fahre erratrisch im Kreis und beginnt Wegpunkte zu überspringen.
Ich weiss wie GPS funktioniert und bin immer wieder überrascht, wie gut es ist. Ein stehendes! Fahrzeug zu erkennen, ist dabei echt schwierig.
Ich kann nicht beurteilen, wie dabei die anderen Sensoren im smartphone helfen können.Wieder etwas zum Nachdenken für euch Macher!
Viele Grüße
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I suggest you stop navigation (which will also pause tracking depending on options) and then restart navigation when you are ready. I always do this when I stop for a break, gas etc.
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Another break to - well, you know.
This time by motorbike and on the smartphone without car.
My next waypoint would have been #12, about 1km away.
When I came back #21 was selected.
And I think I know the reason.
GPS in the forest, constantly changing positions. Even if it's only a few metres.
Add to that constantly changing directions, the map is constantly rotating.
Every skip algorithm thinks the driver is driving erratically in circles and starts skipping waypoints.
I know how GPS works and I'm always surprised at how good it is. Recognising a stationary! vehicle is really difficult.
I can't judge how the other sensors in the smartphone can help.Something for you makers to think about again!
Best regards
Mal wieder eine Pause, um -na du weißt schon.
Diesmal mit dem Motorrad und auf dem smartphone ohne auto/car.
Mein nächster Wegpunkt wäre #12 gewesen, ca 1km entfernt.
Als ich zurück kam war #21 ausgewählt.
Und ich denke, daß ich den Grund kenne.
GPS im Wald, ständig wechselnde Positionen. Auch wenn es nur ein paar Meter sind.
Dazu kommen noch ständig wechselnde Richtungen, die Karte rotiert ständig.
Da denkt jeder skip-Algorithmus, der Fahrer fahre erratrisch im Kreis und beginnt Wegpunkte zu überspringen.
Ich weiss wie GPS funktioniert und bin immer wieder überrascht, wie gut es ist. Ein stehendes! Fahrzeug zu erkennen, ist dabei echt schwierig.
Ich kann nicht beurteilen, wie dabei die anderen Sensoren im smartphone helfen können.Wieder etwas zum Nachdenken für euch Macher!
Viele Grüße
@Rainer-Treichel said in Switching to offline with a very poor internet connection:
Every skip algorithm thinks the driver is driving erratically in circles and starts skipping waypoints.
Exactly!
@RetiredWingMan said in Switching to offline with a very poor internet connection:
I suggest you stop navigation (which will also pause tracking depending on options) and then restart navigation when you are ready.
Exactly!
That's exactly what I said 2 months ago:said in Switching to offline with a very poor internet connection:
If you stop (for whatever you do in the forest) you should stop navigation. You can resume before you drive off again.
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I am not really used to stop navigation when having a break.
Will try it in future
So, I wanted the makers to think about a way to skip! erratic gps positions.
This would be extremely useful at any stop on the way, especially in case of closed roads while making as decision where to go now. -
You're not the only one. I also regularly forget to pause the navigation, but I'm slowly getting better at it.
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OK, I've got to ask, why stop navigation ??
I never stop navigation if I am only stopping for fuel, a coffee / lunch break or any other reason if I intend to continue the route after the break.
I do not understand the logic behind this suggestion. -
OK, I've got to ask, why stop navigation ??
I never stop navigation if I am only stopping for fuel, a coffee / lunch break or any other reason if I intend to continue the route after the break.
I do not understand the logic behind this suggestion.@richard-3v Using Stop navigation initially pauses the app, it only stops navigation completely if you then tap No on the Resume navigation pop-up. There’s no need to pause navigation if you’re stopping for fuel, but if you’re stopping for a coffee or lunch then the app is running and trying to calculate the route.
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OK, I've got to ask, why stop navigation ??
I never stop navigation if I am only stopping for fuel, a coffee / lunch break or any other reason if I intend to continue the route after the break.
I do not understand the logic behind this suggestion.@richard-3v said in Switching to offline with a very poor internet connection:
OK, I've got to ask, why stop navigation ??
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