Next instruction problem and request.
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@Stefan-Hummelink said in Next instruction problem and request.:
Consider the situation where the main instruction is dynamically counting down and showing "turn right in 10km" and suppose the second instruction is dynamically counting down and "turn left in 10.05km"... how does that make more sense than having a dynamic main instruction and a static "Turn left in 50m".
Well, you are not turning left in 50m but actually in 10.05km, so why not show that?
My example above are easy numbers, and we all know that we can think of numbers that are much more difficult to calculate fast while driving a bike or car.
That's exactly why I have a bias towards dynamical. You don't need to calculate anything. It just says what you can expect.
A toggle perhaps?
In Corjan's words: "NO!"
@Con-Hennekens I see both sides but it depends on how you view the second turn. Dynamic has its uses but if I was wanting directions from someone they would say in 10 miles turn Left/right then 0.5 miles turn etc. not how you would describe it dynamically! Each have our own preference and for me I go with @Nick-Carthew and the others and would like the choice if I can.
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@Con-Hennekens I see both sides but it depends on how you view the second turn. Dynamic has its uses but if I was wanting directions from someone they would say in 10 miles turn Left/right then 0.5 miles turn etc. not how you would describe it dynamically! Each have our own preference and for me I go with @Nick-Carthew and the others and would like the choice if I can.
@Dave-J-0, I agree both viewpoints are defendable, but I think it is REALLY too small of a thing to make it a toggle. Sometimes it counts as "it is what it is".
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@Dave-J-0, I agree both viewpoints are defendable, but I think it is REALLY too small of a thing to make it a toggle. Sometimes it counts as "it is what it is".
@Con-Hennekens maybe but there are a number of us who find it a 'slight annoyance' as @Nick-Carthew has said. Moreover, the user interface needs to be adaptable to all users although I accept that this is not a priority at the moment given other aspects downstream. However, I remain hopeful that we have a toggle downstream.
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@Dave-J-0, I agree both viewpoints are defendable, but I think it is REALLY too small of a thing to make it a toggle. Sometimes it counts as "it is what it is".
@Con-Hennekens I’m not a fan of ‘it is what it is’. I firmly believe that if something can be improved upon then all effort should go into improving it.
Certainly the dynamic countdown error to the next route point should be investigated when time allows.I’ve had a few days to think about this now and I still cannot see any logic or usefulness in having a second dynamic countdown for the second turn instruction.
The most important information for me is knowing the distance after the first turn.Always willing to help if I can.
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@Con-Hennekens I’m not a fan of ‘it is what it is’. I firmly believe that if something can be improved upon then all effort should go into improving it.
Certainly the dynamic countdown error to the next route point should be investigated when time allows.I’ve had a few days to think about this now and I still cannot see any logic or usefulness in having a second dynamic countdown for the second turn instruction.
The most important information for me is knowing the distance after the first turn.@Nick-Carthew, haha, like @Stefan-Hummelink it seems you take this very high
I think the level of user-adaptability already is extremely high, especially if you compare it to TomTom and Garmin devices which take "it is what it is" to pretty extreme levels, and no one ever complains about that. Configurability is great, too many insignificant toggles are not. I am sure Corjan will make a wise decision about this I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
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I'm in agreement on both points, Nick, i.e:
- next turn distance is far more useful than next waypoint distance
- text size of next instruction is too small. I'm happy to lose a little map area to make that bigger
And whilst we're here, please can I bang on about:
- text size of current instruction distance (6.0) should be the same size as 'Unknown road' text (don't care about the 'mi' bit)
- I would absolutely love 'T' junctions and left/right turn-offs to be distinguished by different icons. One I don't have to concentrate hard on, but the other - left/right turns - I have to watch very carefully. (I tend not to use audio much)
@richtea999 I absolutely agree with you. Would be really nice if that could be fixed in next update.
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@Nick-Carthew, haha, like @Stefan-Hummelink it seems you take this very high
I think the level of user-adaptability already is extremely high, especially if you compare it to TomTom and Garmin devices which take "it is what it is" to pretty extreme levels, and no one ever complains about that. Configurability is great, too many insignificant toggles are not. I am sure Corjan will make a wise decision about this @Con-Hennekens Hahaha we're merely dedicated to make this the best app for all.
Manks bu'j te bange.
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@Con-Hennekens Hahaha we're merely dedicated to make this the best app for all.
@Stefan-Hummelink, You know I am too, but I just don't think too many toggles is going to do it
I'd rather have the distance being static from the first upcoming turn, then have another toggle.I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
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@Stefan-Hummelink, You know I am too, but I just don't think too many toggles is going to do it
I'd rather have the distance being static from the first upcoming turn, then have another toggle.@Con-Hennekens said in Next instruction problem and request.:
You know I am too
Hahahaha offcourse I know you do. I expected a response like yours muhaha.
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When you have a route point in between your current position and the next turn instruction, the countdown distance for the next instruction is taken from the intermediate route point.
My examples shows that my second next instructions is a left turn coming up at 3.7 miles yet my first instruction is a right turn at 6.0 miles.
3.7 miles is the same distance as the next route point.
So I think the countdown is incorrect.
This is easy to see in the second screenshot with just 5 yards to go.
I would like to make a suggestion and a request please.
Part 1:
Seeing the second next instruction is useful but I would prefer to see the distance that the next turn is after the first turn. I believe this is much more useful information and does not require the distance to countdown. Knowing that the second turn is 20 yards or 3 miles after the first turn is more beneficial than a countdown distance.
Part 2:
I have only been able to use the Next Instruction option since getting my new glasses because it has been far too small to read clearly. And to be honest it is still too small to read safely with a quick glance so I would really appreciate it if you could make the next instruction a little larger please.
@Nick-Carthew After over 5700 miles tour, I totally support both requests. I do not how many times I have looked at the second turn, and have been trying to figure out the distance. The fixed distance from the first turn would be perfect.
As for the size of text, man it hurts to be old. In addition to the stupid dimming of the screen on iPhone due to the high temperature, the small size of text does not help. -
@Nick-Carthew After over 5700 miles tour, I totally support both requests. I do not how many times I have looked at the second turn, and have been trying to figure out the distance. The fixed distance from the first turn would be perfect.
As for the size of text, man it hurts to be old. In addition to the stupid dimming of the screen on iPhone due to the high temperature, the small size of text does not help.@UltraStar Change that to ...I do not know... in second sentence please.
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@UltraStar Change that to ...I do not know... in second sentence please.
@UltraStar You can edit your post by clicking on the 3 dots.
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@UltraStar You can edit your post by clicking on the 3 dots.
@Nick-Carthew Thanks.
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Happy to inform all of you that after some painstaking hours, the issue has been resolved!
Distances are now calculated correctly for the next maneuver
Besides thar, the next maneuver UI has been increased in size.
We haven’t yet changed the displayed distance value, gonna give that another night of sleep.
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Happy to inform all of you that after some painstaking hours, the issue has been resolved!
Distances are now calculated correctly for the next maneuver
Besides thar, the next maneuver UI has been increased in size.
We haven’t yet changed the displayed distance value, gonna give that another night of sleep.
@Corjan-Meijerink Brilliant job. Look forward to the next update.
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Happy to inform all of you that after some painstaking hours, the issue has been resolved!
Distances are now calculated correctly for the next maneuver
Besides thar, the next maneuver UI has been increased in size.
We haven’t yet changed the displayed distance value, gonna give that another night of sleep.
@Corjan-Meijerink said in Next instruction problem and request.:
We haven’t yet changed the displayed distance value, gonna give that another night of sleep.
Great job in fixing the problem
Now I don’t want to influence your nightly sleep but the fixed displayed distance after the next turn does make more sense
Sweet dreams buddy
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@Corjan-Meijerink said in Next instruction problem and request.:
We haven’t yet changed the displayed distance value, gonna give that another night of sleep.
Great job in fixing the problem
Now I don’t want to influence your nightly sleep but the fixed displayed distance after the next turn does make more sense
Sweet dreams buddy
@Nick-Carthew I still think the current display is the correct method.
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@Nick-Carthew I still think the current display is the correct method.
@Doug-Robinson said in Next instruction problem and request.:
@Nick-Carthew I still think the current display is the correct method.
I'm sorry but I have to strongly disagree
for the reasons that I previously mentioned but I will try and argue the case again:If the next turn is 9.7 miles away and the turn after that is at 10.3 miles you have to work out in your head that the second turn is at 0.6 miles.
And because both of these numbers are dynamic and constantly changing, again more mental arithmetic is required the next time you look and see that the next turn is at 8.9 miles and the turn after that is at 9.5 miles.I don't need to be concentrating on this while trying to stay alive.
The most important information for me to have is knowing that after the next turn there is another turn coming after 0.6 miles.
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@Nick-Carthew I still think the current display is the correct method.
@Doug-Robinson said in Next instruction problem and request.:
@Nick-Carthew I still think the current display is the correct method.
I am sorry @Nick-Carthew, but I strongly agree...
You don't have to work out anything, because the real distance is already present, and not some imaginative distance to another point than yourself. I would have to "work out in my head" what the real distance is when it would be fixed to the first upcoming point.
You know, I am not really trying to make a statement about the issue itself anymore. I am merely pointing out that the discussion is equally arguemented both ways, and therefore makes no sense.
I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
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@Doug-Robinson said in Next instruction problem and request.:
@Nick-Carthew I still think the current display is the correct method.
I am sorry @Nick-Carthew, but I strongly agree...
You don't have to work out anything, because the real distance is already present, and not some imaginative distance to another point than yourself. I would have to "work out in my head" what the real distance is when it would be fixed to the first upcoming point.
You know, I am not really trying to make a statement about the issue itself anymore. I am merely pointing out that the discussion is equally arguemented both ways, and therefore makes no sense.
@Con-Hennekens Hahaha I feel sorry for i.e. tourists that ask you for directions to the nearest restaurant.
Con is telling the curious tourist to
"In 500m from exactly here turn right, then 900m from exactly here, turn left, then 1.5km from exactly here, take the 3rd exit at the roundabout, then after 1750m from exactly here, you've reached the best steakhouse in the village."And then there is me, being befriended to Con and standing next to him, noticing the dude being completely oblivious about what just has been told to him, converting the instructions into something understandable:
"Turn right in 500m, then turn left after 400m, then take the third exit at the roundabout after 600m, and then after 250m you're ready to order you're ribeye."Haha. All joking aside, if I were asking for instructions, which is in fact what each nav is doing, telling us where to go, I definitely want the instructions in the latter format instead of the former.
We'll just have to wait and see if Corjan and Joost are willing to offer us "outsiders" the configuration to change it. Haha.
Manks bu'j te bange.
