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Navigation Option Show "Original Route" Does Not Display Consistently

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  • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Offline
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    Corjan Meijerink
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    wrote last edited by Corjan Meijerink
    #10

    The calculated route is infinitely detailed šŸ™‚
    Routes stored by us have a certain resolution to not take up way too much space when syncing them. This results in the minor differences so to say.

    The original route is a nice indicator of how you planned it so I personally would not be too bothered by it showing these minor divergences (in resolution due to missing coordinates, not actual route).

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    • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

      The calculated route is infinitely detailed šŸ™‚
      Routes stored by us have a certain resolution to not take up way too much space when syncing them. This results in the minor differences so to say.

      The original route is a nice indicator of how you planned it so I personally would not be too bothered by it showing these minor divergences (in resolution due to missing coordinates, not actual route).

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      wrote last edited by
      #11

      @Corjan-Meijerink sorry the divergences of the "original route" are sometimes not minor, they are major, hundreds of metres, plus the issue is the system is not consistent

      if the original route can fit to the road correctly after the route is edited in the app route planner,
      why does it not fit correctly when the last edit is done on the web planner?

      BlackView BV7100, Android 12
      Normaly navigate Routes in Offline mode with Offline Maps

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      • Brian McGundefined Brian McG

        @Corjan-Meijerink sorry the divergences of the "original route" are sometimes not minor, they are major, hundreds of metres, plus the issue is the system is not consistent

        if the original route can fit to the road correctly after the route is edited in the app route planner,
        why does it not fit correctly when the last edit is done on the web planner?

        Con Hennekensundefined Offline
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        Con Hennekens
        Alpha tester
        wrote last edited by
        #12

        @Brian-McG, are you saying that a web-planned route that shows these imperfections does NOT show those imperfections if it got last edited in the in-app planner? That would be interesting...

        I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

        Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

        Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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        • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

          @Brian-McG, are you saying that a web-planned route that shows these imperfections does NOT show those imperfections if it got last edited in the in-app planner? That would be interesting...

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          Brian McG
          wrote last edited by
          #13

          @Con-Hennekens yes that is what I am saying, it would be nice if someone could replicate 😜
          I am seeing the error in offline navigation
          the route is edited in web planner - then synced to the device
          the device is taken offline (airplane mode or wifi/network off)
          the route is opened & navigationĀ started with original route displayed

          sometimes the web planned route appears ok with small errors as @Corjan-Meijerink expects
          other times it can have larger errors & occasionally very huge errors
          if I edit the web planned route in the app planner it seems to fit perfectly
          75201e35-fab7-4c42-9ab5-2229d9da0572-image.png

          I can understand the idea of trying to save storage, reduce data & speedĀ up transfer
          if the errors were always small then I would say - not a problem
          when the error is large the original track line can obscure whole junctions & makes it difficult to read the map
          for me the problem is the original route is not displayed consistently

          I don'tĀ think a long term solution is to re-edit every route every time it is transferred/synced to the app

          oh & don'tĀ forget the lack of contrast with a white original track
          on the default garmin style map with this bug you can see nothing of the roads

          BlackView BV7100, Android 12
          Normaly navigate Routes in Offline mode with Offline Maps

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          • Brian McGundefined Brian McG

            @Con-Hennekens yes that is what I am saying, it would be nice if someone could replicate 😜
            I am seeing the error in offline navigation
            the route is edited in web planner - then synced to the device
            the device is taken offline (airplane mode or wifi/network off)
            the route is opened & navigationĀ started with original route displayed

            sometimes the web planned route appears ok with small errors as @Corjan-Meijerink expects
            other times it can have larger errors & occasionally very huge errors
            if I edit the web planned route in the app planner it seems to fit perfectly
            75201e35-fab7-4c42-9ab5-2229d9da0572-image.png

            I can understand the idea of trying to save storage, reduce data & speedĀ up transfer
            if the errors were always small then I would say - not a problem
            when the error is large the original track line can obscure whole junctions & makes it difficult to read the map
            for me the problem is the original route is not displayed consistently

            I don'tĀ think a long term solution is to re-edit every route every time it is transferred/synced to the app

            oh & don'tĀ forget the lack of contrast with a white original track
            on the default garmin style map with this bug you can see nothing of the roads

            Con Hennekensundefined Offline
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            Con Hennekens
            Alpha tester
            wrote last edited by
            #14

            @Brian-McG, This is a good find. Thanks for your elaborate explanation. I will try to replicate this behavior.

            I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

            Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

            Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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            • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

              @Brian-McG, This is a good find. Thanks for your elaborate explanation. I will try to replicate this behavior.

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              Brian McG
              wrote last edited by Brian McG
              #15

              11b9a4e5-c06f-49ec-947c-6acb931ccd2e-image.png
              Sometimes the errors with the "original track" can be huge,
              with the above route the "original route" is wrong by hundreds & hundreds of metres

              what causes the wrong calculation of the "original route" in offline mode?

              I have also noticed that with a route created in the web planner,
              if the navigation is started with a network connection, the "original route" will fit perfectly to the road
              the same as when the route is edited in the app planner, you get a perfect fit

              I only seem to get the bad fit of the "original route" when I start the navigation in offline mode

              BlackView BV7100, Android 12
              Normaly navigate Routes in Offline mode with Offline Maps

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              • Brian McGundefined Brian McG

                11b9a4e5-c06f-49ec-947c-6acb931ccd2e-image.png
                Sometimes the errors with the "original track" can be huge,
                with the above route the "original route" is wrong by hundreds & hundreds of metres

                what causes the wrong calculation of the "original route" in offline mode?

                I have also noticed that with a route created in the web planner,
                if the navigation is started with a network connection, the "original route" will fit perfectly to the road
                the same as when the route is edited in the app planner, you get a perfect fit

                I only seem to get the bad fit of the "original route" when I start the navigation in offline mode

                Con Hennekensundefined Offline
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                Con Hennekens
                Alpha tester
                wrote last edited by
                #16

                @Brian-McG, Tried to replicate this some days ago, but did not succeed... Although I have seen these straight lines before too, I was not able to replicate it in any circumstance you described. I was surprised by that and don't understand why. Old routes, new routes, offline, online, changed in the webplanner, I could not get the straight lines to appear. I'll try again later, probably after the holiday season.

                I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                • Marinus van Deudekomundefined Offline
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                  Marinus van Deudekom
                  Valued contributor
                  wrote last edited by
                  #17

                  I've seen the same behavior during my 8 days trip in the Eiffel 2 weeks ago. It was clear to see it when driving hair pins.
                  I was driving offline

                  Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                  Honda Silverwing GL 650
                  DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                  Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                  Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                  • Nick Carthewundefined Offline
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                    Nick Carthew
                    RouteXpert
                    wrote last edited by Nick Carthew
                    #18

                    I think the solution is to open the route when you have wi-fi, irrespective of whether you will navigate online or offline. I had this happen to me a few weeks back, so from that point I have always opened the route with wi-fi before navigating and I haven't had the problem since.

                    Always willing to help if I can.
                    Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                    MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                    Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                    Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                    TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                    • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                      I think the solution is to open the route when you have wi-fi, irrespective of whether you will navigate online or offline. I had this happen to me a few weeks back, so from that point I have always opened the route with wi-fi before navigating and I haven't had the problem since.

                      Marinus van Deudekomundefined Offline
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                      Marinus van Deudekom
                      Valued contributor
                      wrote last edited by
                      #19

                      @Nick-Carthew my problem was that the WiFi was Shi... To

                      Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                      Honda Silverwing GL 650
                      DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                      Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                      Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                      • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                        I think the solution is to open the route when you have wi-fi, irrespective of whether you will navigate online or offline. I had this happen to me a few weeks back, so from that point I have always opened the route with wi-fi before navigating and I haven't had the problem since.

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                        Brian McG
                        wrote last edited by
                        #20

                        @Nick-Carthew yes the problem only appears if you try to start to try navigating with the device offline i.e. with no internet, no wifi connection
                        the route must be last edited in the web planner

                        if you open/edit on the device with an internet/wifi/online connection, it will recalculate the "original route" & you won't see the problem

                        as far as I am concerned this is a definitive hard reproducible bug
                        I can replicate it on 3 different devices with 2 different accounts

                        now I know there are several work arounds, it is not so much of a big issue for me
                        just a pain having to go through extra steps to get things to work
                        but as this seems to be the norm for mra, things never quite work as expected ... hey ho

                        BlackView BV7100, Android 12
                        Normaly navigate Routes in Offline mode with Offline Maps

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                        • Brian McGundefined Brian McG

                          @Nick-Carthew yes the problem only appears if you try to start to try navigating with the device offline i.e. with no internet, no wifi connection
                          the route must be last edited in the web planner

                          if you open/edit on the device with an internet/wifi/online connection, it will recalculate the "original route" & you won't see the problem

                          as far as I am concerned this is a definitive hard reproducible bug
                          I can replicate it on 3 different devices with 2 different accounts

                          now I know there are several work arounds, it is not so much of a big issue for me
                          just a pain having to go through extra steps to get things to work
                          but as this seems to be the norm for mra, things never quite work as expected ... hey ho

                          Marinus van Deudekomundefined Offline
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                          Marinus van Deudekom
                          Valued contributor
                          wrote last edited by
                          #21

                          @Brian-McG when the Devs find some time maybe they can fix it For me also low priority

                          Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                          Honda Silverwing GL 650
                          DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                          Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                          Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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