Powerconsumption and MRA Next
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Hi.
I love MRA for planning and sharing my routes. I also keep trying to use MRA Next for navigation. But powerconsumption during navigation seems to be pretty high. My charge mount, neither on the bike nor in the car can keep up with MRA Next' powerconsumption during navigation. Tracklog recording is fine, it seems, but active navigation empties the batterie over time.
Are there any hints or suggestions to this issue? Phone is a Samsung Galaxy S21 FE. Usually it does not have charging or power issues.
Or are there plans to reduce powerconsumption in future releases?Thanks!
Reinhard -
@Reinhard-Neumann, if you read around the forum a bit, you will see that this problem, that has been around from the very start, finds its cause in the HERE platform. Devs are working together with HERE to get it solved.
In the meantime it can help to evaluate the charging capacity of your charger and cable combination. Often much improvement in charging capacity is possible simply by choosing better chargers and cables. an app that shows charging/discharging may be helpful. "Ampere" or "Charge meter" are such apps.
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@Con-Hennekens Thanks for your reply. I also think it is a combined problem, powerconsumption and charger.
On my bike I have installed a QuadLock wireless charger. With this I can imagine it won`t provide enough charging power for current power requirements of Next. However, there is no other option form me at the moment. With this I hope for an improved powermanagement within MRA Next.
In the car it is a different story. I do have a quite powerful USB charger connected. The problem is more the phone overheating when MRA Next navigates. And of course, the hotter the batterie gets, the less power in it allows. Until it turns of because of temperature.
So, my only hope is better powermanagement with MRA.
Cheers
Reinhard -
@Reinhard-Neumann said in Powerconsumption and MRA Next:
So, my only hope is better powermanagement with MRA.
Yeah, most of us are waiting for that
But the effort is on HERE's side, not on MRA's. -
@Con-Hennekens
The problem of battery consumption is, as now often repeated, very likely a Problem with the Map provider HERE.
HERE has an own A to B navigation App „Here we Go“ The App is for free. The maps are the same. So it is very easy for some of you using MRA very often to compare on bit longer tour the battery consumption with HERE we Go to MRA on the same A to B route. If there is a big difference, the question is simple. Why could HERE with the own App more battery efficient than MRA? -
@Peter-Schiefer said in Powerconsumption and MRA Next:
The problem of battery consumption is, as now often repeated, very likely a Problem with the Map provider HERE.
Was I not saying exactly the same...
And it is not likely, it is a fact.@Peter-Schiefer said in Powerconsumption and MRA Next:
Why could HERE with the own App more battery efficient than MRA?
That's simple... It's not...
Unless they found the problem by now and are one SDK version ahead of MRA, what in itself is quite possible, since it's their own SDK. Multiple comparisons between MRA and WeGo have been conducted in the past, and WeGo was even worse on battery drain than MRA's app... -
@Con-Hennekens
thanks for clarification -
@Con-Hennekens
Not sure if I understand your remark correctly... Are you saying the HERE app also suffers from the same battery drain as MRA? Because, that is not the case.I use HERE for years during my summer holiday to navigate: connected with an USB cable I have a positive charge.
When using MRA to navigate using the same USB cable, I have a negative charge.
I tested it today, to see if things might have changed over time, but no:
- HERE app navigations with USB cable gives a positive charge
- MRA app navigation with the same cable gives a negative charge
So, there is definately a difference between HERE and MRA and this difference is not recently, since I'm using HERE for years and this never resulted in negative charge, while MRA is resulting in a negative charge since I started using it.
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@Flat-Twin-Therapy said in Powerconsumption and MRA Next:
@Con-Hennekens
Not sure if I understand your remark correctly... Are you saying the HERE app also suffers from the same battery drain as MRA? Because, that is not the case.I use HERE for years during my summer holiday to navigate: connected with an USB cable I have a positive charge.
When using MRA to navigate using the same USB cable, I have a negative charge.
I tested it today, to see if things might have changed over time, but no:
- HERE app navigations with USB cable gives a positive charge
- MRA app navigation with the same cable gives a negative charge
So, there is definately a difference between HERE and MRA and this difference is not recently, since I'm using HERE for years and this never resulted in negative charge, while MRA is resulting in a negative charge since I started using it.
Danke, ich habe Con in einer doch zweifelnden Weise geantwortet, da seine Antworten zu anderen durchaus klar beschriebenen nachvollziehbaren Beschreibungen von Eigenheiten, auch Mängel meinerseits zu MRA Next auch nicht auf das Problem eingehend beantwortet wurden.
Ich bin, wie bei Dir der Ansicht, wenn die Here Navigation App so ein Batterieverbrauch hätte, wie es nun MRA hat, wären in den App Stores die Kommentare entsprechend negativ. Es gibt andere Kritiken, aber keine zum Energieverbrauch. -
@Flat-Twin-Therapy said in Powerconsumption and MRA Next:
@Con-Hennekens
Not sure if I understand your remark correctly... Are you saying the HERE app also suffers from the same battery drain as MRA? Because, that is not the case.I use HERE for years during my summer holiday to navigate: connected with an USB cable I have a positive charge.
When using MRA to navigate using the same USB cable, I have a negative charge.
I tested it today, to see if things might have changed over time, but no:
- HERE app navigations with USB cable gives a positive charge
- MRA app navigation with the same cable gives a negative charge
So, there is definately a difference between HERE and MRA and this difference is not recently, since I'm using HERE for years and this never resulted in negative charge, while MRA is resulting in a negative charge since I started using it.
This interesting.
MRA told me that HereWeGo have the same problem and that Here confirmed it.
I always wanted to try HereWeGo. But i never came to it -
@Con-Hennekens if MRA is using the HERE platform, then MRA has just as much responsibility to solve the issue. Granted, it seems all MRA can do is continue to push HERE - hopefully this is the case.
It is frustrating as it has been a known issue almost from the beginning, however, the benefit of doubt goes to MRA - keep pushing, hopefully if people continue to raise, and keep this issue in the forefront, MRA just might get HERE to take more of an active approach.
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@GT-JWR
I like to add
I can only repeat what I wrote weeks ago. I was once at a Here meeting via Pocketnavigation and Eric by Here, his avatar was an employee of Here at the time.
He explained in a multivisions show and by himself how Here is organized worldwide and what Here is doing.
Here only creates data sets of the road network worldwide. This data contains all directly visible and invisible features of the road and path network. From lane width, radii, footpath and cycle path size, car park lanes, road signage and so on. All this information is recorded in attributes and can account for over 100 values on one metre of road.
These data sets are sold to the manufacturers of navigation devices in packaged form. The main customers worldwide are Automotive and Garmin as the remaining major distributor of mobile devices for air and sea navigation. For example, one provider of the devices may only buy road data, while another provider adds the network of car parks.
The device provider converts the data into visible maps using its own compilation software. This software creates the maps in the provider's corporate design, i.e. colours and graphics.
Here now has its own app, Here WeGo, which I have known for more than 6 years and is installed on my iPhone.
However, I only used it once 6 years ago for localisation in a coach in South America, when free maps were available. Otherwise, the colour scheme, and this also applies to MRA from Here in grey/blue, is not my favourite and since route planning with the app doesn't work, Garmin with Navigon Layout is my device so far.With the best will in the world, I can't imagine that Here with its app is such a battery guzzler, which has been on the market for so long.
For MRA to simply point to Here as the cause of battery consumption with a newly developed navigation system seems too simple to me.
What was the energy requirement of the old navigation app at MRA? Surely there were already some users of this app?
I had only used it occasionally, as I had only had CarPlay in my convertible for 2 years and had only used the old app a few times. My switch to Next didn't start so successfully last year either, because of the Homograph problem.
Even there, Apple was identified as the culprit and with Vers. IOS 17 it was over. But TomTom, Sygic and Google didn't have the Homograph problem with older IOS.
Now with Here and the battery issue it seems to use the same argument like on these days last year. the problem is not with us independent from the basic simple questions, why do other Navigation Apps not have such a bigger issue with battery, knowing that battery consumption with GPS is bigger than on other Apps.
I know that MRA does a great job for such a small team and MRA is already great in the combination of planning tool and navigation, plus an ever-improving implementation of CP and AA. Also big praise to Corjan, who probably never sleeps. Makes a good thing better.
I'm not an IT expert, I come from a quality management background and have experience in D8 troubleshooting, so these are the kind of questions and comparison I want to offer help with and not criticise for the sake of it. -
@Peter-Schiefer interesting information.
When I discovered MRA, I was impressed with the web based planner, and being I was responsible for last years annual motorcyle ride (~4000mi over 10 days), I bought the Gold membership. And the planner is still top notch, in my opinion. Can't wait to see what improvements/upgrades they have for it.
As for the app itself, never did use the old version as this latest iteration was released. While I do see a lot of promise in it, the power consumption makes it difficult to trust over a days riding. For short, in city/town routes, if needed, it seems to be ok.
The MRA Team does indeed, seem to be very busy, and going a good job - I just hope they have some sway with HERE to solve this issue, then, again, in my opinion, MRA will have 2nd to none nav app that compliments already great route planner.
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Sorry, I have been on a short break for a few days.
@Flat-Twin-Therapy said in Powerconsumption and MRA Next:
Not sure if I understand your remark correctly... Are you saying the HERE app also suffers from the same battery drain as MRA? Because, that is not the case.
Yes that's exactly what I am saying.
I use HERE for years during my summer holiday to navigate: connected with an USB cable I have a positive charge.
The platform that MRA has built their app on, is the same as HERE has built their own HERE WeGo app on, and they both suffer the same problem which has been confirmed by MRA as well as HERE. It also needs to be said that by for NOT everyone experiences a negative charge while navigating with MRA Navigation Next. My own CAT phone has no problem whatsoever with charging while navigating.
I don't know which HERE app you have been using, and I also don't know since which version exactly the HERE WeGo app uses this specific platform. HERE has multiple apps, not all using the same platform. The current platform has not been around for much longer than a year, so you probably are comparing different platforms. MRA's "Previous" Navigation app also used an older HERE platform and did not suffer the battery drain problem whatsoever.
In the current state of the HERE WeGo app they could well be experimenting with improvements in the SDK that will benefit MRA too when they get published to HERE customers. I have not compared the apps recently.
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@Con-Hennekens
please please please stop downplaying this issue. It is a serious problem , see lots of other threads (also in other languages and multiple people reporting it over a longer period of time
(and I doubt everyone is reporting it.):It also needs to be said that by for NOT everyone experiences a negative charge while navigating with MRA Navigation Next. M
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@Edwin_M I am NOT downplaying anything, just stating facts.
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@Peter-Schiefer today I did a test using the Here we go app to see if only using that app would lead to the same power consumption. After I installed that app and tried to use in the first 5 km. It crashed 5 Times. I started with 78 % battery with the phone pluged in to usb cable in my car. In those 5 km I had a negative power on the phone and when I quit after 5 crashes it was 77%.
Then I finished the rest of my 125 km drive using MRA next with my Android auto screen. I turned off the screen of the phone only using the car’s screen. When I finished the trip my battery had a positive charge and ended with 84% so the phone could keep up charging. -
@Marinus-van-Deudekom I'm 50/50 at best whether the iPhone charges positively or negtively, whether using the app direct on the phone or in CarPlay with the phone screen off.
This is only part of the problem - the other part is the very hot battery on the phone as its trying to keep up the charge, combined with the iPhone going into protect mode because of it - which makes the screen unviewable when the nav app is used. For me, this is the biggest issue.
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@Marinus-van-Deudekom
as I mentioned, Here WeGo is not my standard App, last use a while ago. And I know only IOS for mobile, never used up to now Android and the remarkable thing is, that the comments for HereWeGo apor, 3500 notices in the Apple App Store contains also remarks regard crashes, especially the latest ones after updates on HereWeGo, but there are no repeating concerns regard battery consumption
May the problem as mentioned varies by the model of the Smartphone and effects by this more the Android world with so much different suppliers. An iPhone is an iPhone, -
@Peter-Schiefer well I was only trying to see if that Here we Go app would also drain my battery and my conclusion in that short while was that it was. So back to @Corjan-Meijerink trying to work it Out with Here