The web planner needs some love & development?
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@Jem-Cotton said in The web planner needs some love & development?:
I would love to see some more active development in this area. Whilst making the app a slick proposition is no doubt enticing, for me the heart of MRA is in it's ability to plan complex routes and visualise them before riding.
I completely agree with that.
The best navigator still cannot make anything out of an incorrectly and bad planned route.@Jem-Cotton said in The web planner needs some love & development?:
So ... does anyone have info on the web redevelopment project timescales
Yes
@Corjan-Meijerink said in I'm very happy with MRA but......:
When the big 4.1.0 update is released for the app we will prioritise the coming months
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@Jem-Cotton said in The web planner needs some love & development?:
I would love to see some more active development in this area. Whilst making the app a slick proposition is no doubt enticing, for me the heart of MRA is in it's ability to plan complex routes and visualise them before riding.
I completely agree with that.
The best navigator still cannot make anything out of an incorrectly and bad planned route.@Jack-van-Tilburg said in The web planner needs some love & development?:
The best navigator still cannot make anything out of an incorrectly and bad planned route.
Correct, for me it is all about expanding and integrating the MRA ecosystem
We have seen a long process to improve the navigator, and maybe that process was TOO long putting to much time on trivial(?) things (while still struggling with core shortcomings (battery issue)). Maybe it was the only way possible considering that the previous navigator was outdated in many aspects.
I would not like to see that this would be followed up by an equally long cycle for the planner.
Instead, I am hoping for shorter sprints tackling one subject (POI, multi-map, ...) to the extend relevant in all parts of the eco system. This will prevent that one part grows totally outdated compared to the rest, and will give the users something new to play with very often.
It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby
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@Jack-van-Tilburg said in The web planner needs some love & development?:
The best navigator still cannot make anything out of an incorrectly and bad planned route.
Correct, for me it is all about expanding and integrating the MRA ecosystem
We have seen a long process to improve the navigator, and maybe that process was TOO long putting to much time on trivial(?) things (while still struggling with core shortcomings (battery issue)). Maybe it was the only way possible considering that the previous navigator was outdated in many aspects.
I would not like to see that this would be followed up by an equally long cycle for the planner.
Instead, I am hoping for shorter sprints tackling one subject (POI, multi-map, ...) to the extend relevant in all parts of the eco system. This will prevent that one part grows totally outdated compared to the rest, and will give the users something new to play with very often.
@Drabslab said in The web planner needs some love & development?:
the eco system
Yes, yes... who thinks all that is important?
Isn't it so that the Planner is now also used by a lot of users with navigation devices other than MRA Navigation?
And of course I understand that it seems fantastic that the Planner and MRA Navigation fit together well in a eco system. But they already do that in a way now, don't they? In a very useful way, right?
And of course I now create beautiful routes with the Planner and am happy with the functions it offers. But there are many points that could be more beautiful, more intuitive and more convenient.
If I had a choice then I would go to pick the low-hanging fruit.But my biggest wish?
Make a plan and stick to the plan. -
@Drabslab said in The web planner needs some love & development?:
the eco system
Yes, yes... who thinks all that is important?
Isn't it so that the Planner is now also used by a lot of users with navigation devices other than MRA Navigation?
And of course I understand that it seems fantastic that the Planner and MRA Navigation fit together well in a eco system. But they already do that in a way now, don't they? In a very useful way, right?
And of course I now create beautiful routes with the Planner and am happy with the functions it offers. But there are many points that could be more beautiful, more intuitive and more convenient.
If I had a choice then I would go to pick the low-hanging fruit.But my biggest wish?
Make a plan and stick to the plan.TS here. I sure hit a nerve, I guess.
Totally agree that a more agile approach would be desirable.
But like Jack, I'm not sure that "integrating the MRA ecosystem" would be the best direction of travel. For me the GPX ecosystem is key. See my initial reply at the top of this thread. We need to support a variety of devices, tools & apps and better GPX support is the way to do that.
Let's not forget that this is where MRA was first successful: a tool that let you plan routes which you could then export to Garmin, Tomtom, etc.
(For comparison, take a look at gpx.studio, which I think was hacked together by a brilliant student to map his own "extreme running" - but which already has so much more depth in GPX handling than the MRA planner has today.)
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@Peter-3b said in The web planner needs some love & development?:
I sure hit a nerve
Not just with @Drabslab and me I think.
With 26 upvotes for your opening post it is the most highly rated post ever in my guess. -
@Drabslab said in The web planner needs some love & development?:
the eco system
Yes, yes... who thinks all that is important?
Isn't it so that the Planner is now also used by a lot of users with navigation devices other than MRA Navigation?
And of course I understand that it seems fantastic that the Planner and MRA Navigation fit together well in a eco system. But they already do that in a way now, don't they? In a very useful way, right?
And of course I now create beautiful routes with the Planner and am happy with the functions it offers. But there are many points that could be more beautiful, more intuitive and more convenient.
If I had a choice then I would go to pick the low-hanging fruit.But my biggest wish?
Make a plan and stick to the plan.@Jack-van-Tilburg said in The web planner needs some love & development?:
Make a plan and stick to the plan.
YES
I think we all mean more or less the same... with different words
@Peter-3b said in The web planner needs some love & development?:
We need to support a variety of devices, tools & apps and better GPX support is the way to do that.
which are all part of the eco system in my book
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