Clocking the start point

[Greenham]

Maybe an idea for future development. I have many routes that let's say 45 waypoints/shaping points. When I send the file to my group of riders they might all be joining the route at different points on that route.

It would be great if we could RESET the starting point by just pointing,, clicking and it and saying make this the start point, and all the subsequent points would "clock" or change accordingly.

[PAD 0]

That seems like a useful feature on first reading, but then a bit of cognitive dissonance creeps in. I could be wrong, but it strikes me that could be a lot of work for the developers?

But much more importantly… It could play havoc with the timing of cake stops!

[Nick Carthew]

@Greenham If each member of the group had a free MRA account they could adjust the route accordingly.

[sudolea]

I had made myself the same reflection. But wondered all at the same time : is it possible to select multiple (consecutive) waypoints and drag them somewhere else ? Like e.g. in this case : select the first x waypoints and drag them to the end of the route, in order to do what the topic starter wants to obtain ?

[Stefan Hummelink]

@sudolea Moving multiple waypoints simultaneously is not possible at the moment... And I even feel like this is not the intention of TS but maybe I'm wrong?
Instead I think TS refers to the fact that somebody further down the route can catch on from there and not have to go through the hassle of either deleting all wp up to that location or skipping the wp up to that location. (Reading again my own post already is quite MRA Navigation "heavy" haha. Since other gps devices do not use WP driven routes but instead navigate by using tracks.)

The destination of the route will probably not be any different between both persons so it's only about deleting the unnecessary wp for other users other than the ones they start at wp 1.

With MRA Navigation one can start the navigation from the nearest waypoint so deleting any previous ones relative tot the current position in the route (i.e. wp5 instead of wp1) is not needed.

At the moment MRA Routpelanner offers the option to set any WP in the route to be the starting wp from the waypoint menu, but that does NOT delete any wp up to the new start point, but instead just renumbers the route. I.e.: a 20 wp route, with start at wp1, will look like: wp1->wp20, but will look like the following when i.e. wp5 is set to be wp1: wp5->wp20:wp1:wp2:wp3:wp4... And then of course renumbers it to become wp1->wp20 again. ... Hope that makes sense... Of the route itself is not to be changed but only the starting wp is to be changed, then this option solves the TS's question... ️Yet, @PAD-0 was right about the cake stops then. These will of course not be modified accordingly and is simply impossible to facilitate.

But just as @Nick-Carthew said, if one creates a basic account (but of course gold is the way to go ) they can delete all waypoints up to their location to accommodate exactly what TS wants to facilitate.

[Stefan Hummelink]

@PAD-0 said in Clocking the start point:

But much more importantly… It could play havoc with the timing of cake stops!

Not perse if the route itself won't change. TS specifically mentioned: "join at different points" so that leads me to think, that persons that join later on in the route just eat cake a bit earlier since they drive less km to end up at the same stop.

[Mopetenpit]

@StefanHummelink

"With MRA Navigation one can start the navigation from the nearest waypoint so deleting any previous ones relative tot the current position in the route (i.e. wp5 instead of wp1) is not needed."

Is this feature also available on iOS?

Peter

[Stefan Hummelink]

@Mopetenpit I'm not sure since I'm a true fAndroid guy and do not know the iOS app but I believe it should be in there...

Below some screenshots that show how to change the "starting point" of the navigation in the Android MRA Navigation app:

Open the route settings just before clicking the "Big blue arrow" to start nav.

Change this setting:

To either of the three options:

1. Starting point, 2) Nearest waypoint, 3) Waypoint # xx
   

Sorry, but the screenshots are in Dutch.

[Mopetenpit]

Thank you very much for the quick answer! Unfortunately, the feature is (still) not implemented on iOS.

[Con Hennekens]

@Greenham said in Clocking the start point:

Maybe an idea for future development. I have many routes that let's say 45 waypoints/shaping points. When I send the file to my group of riders they might all be joining the route at different points on that route.

It would be great if we could RESET the starting point by just pointing,, clicking and it and saying make this the start point, and all the subsequent points would "clock" or change accordingly.

This is already posible
Click a waypoint, click the three dots, click GO
The route will be recalculated with the waypoint of choice as startingpoint.

But I doubt this is the way to go. Everyone get's a different understanding of waypoint-numbering. That cannot be helpful in my view.

[Stefan Hummelink]

@StefanHummelink said in Clocking the start point:

At the moment MRA Routpelanner offers the option to set any WP in the route to be the starting wp from the waypoint menu, but that does NOT delete any wp up to the new start point, but instead just renumbers the route. I.e.: a 20 wp route, with start at wp1, will look like: wp1->wp20, but will look like the following when i.e. wp5 is set to be wp1: wp5->wp20:wp1:wp2:wp3:wp4... And then of course renumbers it to become wp1->wp20 again. ... Hope that makes sense... Of the route itself is not to be changed but only the starting wp is to be changed, then this option solves the TS's question... ️Yet, @PAD-0 was right about the cake stops then. These will of course not be modified accordingly and is simply impossible to facilitate.

@Con-Hennekens thanks for adding the screenshot... I took the lazy route by typing and not showing the application.

[Nick Carthew]

@Mopetenpit said in Clocking the start point:

Thank you very much for the quick answer! Unfortunately, the feature is (still) not implemented on iOS.
Yes it is included in the iOS version.
When you have selected your route and before you click to navigate, choose the edit route settings and un select Navigate Via Start. This will send you to the nearest route point.

[Mopetenpit]

@Nick-Carthew
That is a very good hint! The text "Navigate via Start" is of course misleading. One assumes here that the route is started via the first route point. Many thanks for the hint! You never stop learning...

Peter

[Nick Carthew]

@Mopetenpit When Navigate Via Start is selected like it is in my photo, you will indeed start from the starting route point. Perhaps I should have un selected the option to make it clearer. I only included the picture to illustrate that the option is available.

[Mopetenpit]

OK!

Peter

[Greenham]

As the OP I have to say a lot of the answers "assume" I'm using the MRA Navigation. IN this case I am not. I'm using my Garmin Zumo 396, so many of the ideas won't work. I think the short answer is NO! with a zumo you can't start at a different point.>

[Nick Carthew]

@Greenham said in Clocking the start point:

As the OP I have to say a lot of the answers "assume" I'm using the MRA Navigation. IN this case I am not. I'm using my Garmin Zumo 396, so many of the ideas won't work. I think the short answer is NO! with a zumo you can't start at a different point.>

So maybe my original answer is the solution. Each group member has their own MRA account and adjust the route accordingly.

[PAD 0]

Loathe though I’d be to deter people from opening an MRA account…

@Greenham Surely using Zūmos an individual can install the full route and remove all points prior to their intended joining point?

Choose route in trip planner list > select three horizontal bars at top left > select ‘edit destinations’ > for each redundant waypoint, tap its name (i.e. not the 2 bars & up/down arrow icon) > select ‘remove location’.

Could be done in BaseCamp too, of course.

Is this a matter of people being unwilling or unable to do such a small bit for themselves?

Sometimes it strikes me that all the clamour for more and more features, often in search of something akin to a ‘nav nanny’ that does everything short of ride the route on the rider’s behalf (no doubt due to be requested - ‘with a video, please’!🤪) leads to missing out on an important principle - K.I.S.S… and a big mess!

[Greenham]

@PAD-0 I just wanted to know with all the emphasis at MRA being on Navigation that asking of there was a simple way(no re-programming) to set a new start route.

Example: Someone gives me a GOX file that has 12 route points on it in a circle. (Like a clock) They started the route at 1 o'clock. But I am approaching the route from 9 o'clock. Could I make 9 the new 1 that's all. If that isn't possible in MRA that's fine.

[Dave J 0]

@Greenham you can set your new atray pont within the waypoint information under more options. Done this loads of times and it works really well.