@james-blythe My motorcycle friend has a TomTom, and I have a Garmin. The way we enter the (shared) routes in our device(s), is to import the track into the device, not the route. Doing it this way already several years now, we have hardly ever had differences. Indeed, differences mostly (only) occur when on one of both devices doesn't have a navigable road where the other one does have one.

This way of working (i.e. using the track rather than the original route) is less labour-intensive than the one explained above by Hans above (and I may be wrong, but I think there's a smaller chance of resulting into different routes). On the other hand, it has one disadvantage which may be your show-stopper : you lose the POI's of your original route(s). If you want to have the POI's available in the routes, you have to do it the way Hans explains.

But irrespective of the way you put the route(s) in your devices : to me, riding the same route with a TomTom and a Garmin together is combining the best of the 2 worlds, we hardly ever have problems finding a way around any event on our route (like deviations, road works, or the likes).

@Steve-Lynch That was my second bike (the 650 model). Indeed not the most sexy looking bike, but solid to say the least. Rode 157000 kms with it, and even then it consumed still less oil than my later brand new BMW. No photographs of my first bike, unfortunately (CB750).

@mick-k said in Circular Routes:

@jack-van-tilburg That’s a good tip, thanks. I’m planning a 2500 mile tour in June so have just adjusted all the start points to 50 yards from the actual start point so I will definitely drive through them.

You might be wrong. On holidays, it regularly (in my case anyway) occurs that your bike is inside an undergound garage where there's not any satellite coverage at all. If you know your route, and depart in the right direction, you may very well have passed your route's first point already, just to find out, 500 meters down your route, that your GPS knows where it is : 450 meters behind you...

@Nick-Carthew-RouteXpert Then why not make it a user-selectable checkbox, for these users, in these cases, who want to see them anyway (switched off by default) ? (just a suggestion)

When would it become possible to export routes on Linux computers ? So far, I don't use MRA's export because I work with Linux. It can't be too hard, can it ? To say more, I'd willing to help develop this, for free, in my spare time (language of preference being Java).

@marc-31 Is die Garmin Camper 660 in enige zin (type-)gerelateerd aan de Garmin Zümo660 ? Ik dacht weliswaar ook in eerste instantie dat het gebruiken van een track de oplossing was (de Zümo660 bijvoorbeeld kon inderdaad overweg met tracks als ik het mij nog goed herinner). Maar als herberekenen niét uit kan worden gezet, zal mijns inziens de eerste de beste afwijking van de route als gevolg kunnen hebben dat hij jou "volgens de logica van de Garmin Camper660" naar het eindpunt zal brengen. Ik durf niet méér te zeggen, want ieder GPS-type durft daarop anders te reageren, zelfs tussen types binnen hetzelfde merk (want bijvoorbeeld de Garmin Zümo660 en de Zümo595 reageren wezenlijk anders op afwijkingen van een ingestelde route).

@StefanHummelink Ik heb de scriptjes hier gebruiksklaar liggen als je dat wil (configureerbaar met omgevingsvariabelen), voor Windows op Cygwin weliswaar. Moeten met niet te heel veel moeite naar Linux converteerbaar zijn (naar "echte" Windows daarentegen is andere koek - Windows en scripting is niet de beste combinatie voor mijn kunde).

edit : ah neen, die scriptjes staan ook in de beschrijving van dat filmpje...

(gelieve mijn reactie te lezen in de wetenschap dat ik jouw reactie van hierboven nog niet had gelezen, @marc-31)

@StefanHummelink In Windows zul je dan beter Cygwin installeren om die bash- scriptjes aan de praat te krijgen. Ik heb wel een globaal scriptje dat de 4 acties in 1 keer uitvoert (OSM binnenhalen, de radars eruit halen in een .osm bestand, de oude .gpx hernoemen om tenslotte de nieuwe .gpx -"radars.gpx" - aan te maken). Als je een manier ziet om ze bij jou te krijgen, mag je dat scriptje best hebben, hoor. Als met dat script alles goed werkt, is de klus op een kleine 2 uur geklaard zonder manuele interventie (het downloaden en vervolgens het extraheren van de radars zijn beide nogal lange klussen, telkens ong. drie kwartier)...

@linda-wouters I wouldn't especially state that you'd need more route points. However, if you have less of them, you might end up in obtaining (at times significantly) different routes if loading the same route into 2 different devices. I suggest you compare while still being at home, between the 2 devices, the routes once they have been uploaded to avoid (at times significantly) different routes in both devices (or work with tracks instead). In this regard, you may want to have a look at a recent topic : https://forum.myrouteapp.com/topic/2039/shared-routes-different-devices/6

P.S. Hint : if you see, in your next Eifel/Schwarzwald trip, a panel pointing to "Paris", you should consider yourself lost.

@Larry-Stayner-0 said in Zumo XT routing issue with 1.2:

@Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/6501800

This is the route that gave me problems.

Larry, which route was that ? The day 2 or day 4 ? Could be interesting to compare this one with one of your non-problematic routes ?
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@Steve-Lynch That was my second bike (the 650 model). Indeed not the most sexy looking bike, but solid to say the least. Rode 157000 kms with it, and even then it consumed still less oil than my later brand new BMW. No photographs of my first bike, unfortunately (CB750).

@Nick-Carthew said in Next:

.... It will supersede the old navigation app and those with an existing lifetime account for MRA Navigation will automatically have their accounts transferred over to MRA Navigation Next.

<sceptical mode>
... and the update will come the day right before your next holiday trip starts
</sceptical mode>

@Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master said in Wegafsluitingen Luxemburg:

...
en voor Duitsland wordt er via een Duitse site ook een bestand aangeboden. Deze kun je downloaden van de RouteXpert pagina op FB

... waardoor iedereen die dat bestand wil er willens nillens Facebook moet bijnemen. Ik blijf erbij : hoe interessant die kaart mij ook lijkt, dit is een nogo omwille van dat FB verhaal. Ik lust die FB- soep niet. Vroeger niet, nu niet, nooit niet. Liever zonder die kaart dan er FB te moeten bijnemen. Noem mij achterlijk, I don't care, maar FB komt er hier niet in.

@Stephen-Mell said in Compatible Navigation Apps:

... I already have a Gold MRA subscription and a MRA Navigation Subscription.

I then wonder why you would want yet more alternatives. Being a dedicated GPS device user myself, I wouldn't even consider MRA Nav to start with, so for me, any alternative would be in the direction of dedicated GPS devices.

(as a sidenote, I didn't think either that Drabslab was being unhelpful, as I too think that indeed any app capable of reading -or importing- a gpx file could do the job you ask. No pun intended, but it's a rare thing you're asking after all, isn't it ?)

@artbone said in Hello from San Miguel de Allende, Mexico:

...
This route, starting in San Miguel de Allende, a World Heritage site, is only about 200 miles, but it traverses several ecosystems, high desert, lush farmland, mountain evergreen forests, ...

Itchy Boots (she's Dutch, as are quite some people here) was there some weeks ago

@Baltus I suggest you give it a try to use OsmAnd as your bike navigation app. Construct your routes in the OSM map with MRA, and load them up in the OsmAnd app. I've never used it to navigate myself, but I know there is a bike mode, and you can upload your tracks in it. Should it be said, it works (only ?) with OSM card material. And it looks finished, I can tell...

@manuel-grasa I mangled your post through Google Translate, and saw this message (in English translation) :

"In addition, these inconveniences change with the days. I'm thinking maybe it's due to the different occupancy of the servers where the app resides."

I don't think so. My 5 cents are that this is not caused by the servers, but by the reigning culture in MRA's development process. I too am noticing all the different phenomena these last days. I think they are caused by the (may I say : overly inmature) introduction of the segment-specific navigation settings in OpenStreetMap. But then again...

Putting everything together (from last days' events going back to the last weeks or even months), I dare to state that MRA treats its customer as continuous beta-testers. They also don't have even the most primitive test plan, let alone regression tests. So, they don't value providing the customer what he needs : a STABLE application.

This is especially bad nowadays, where everyone starts creating new routes, or starts using older routes which "once upon a time" had worked flawlessly - recently a route of mine (had worked fine before) started showing times and distances that were completely off as well in distance as in time. Starting to plan a multi-days trip ? MRA doesn't care providing reliable info. Instead, they are tweaking and fiddling "until it works again", often breaking other things on their way ...

No, MRA is continuously working on the Route Planner as if it were still in test phase. The net result of this is : on a good day you find it working, but most of the time there is "some loose bolt". Imagine what would happen if your car mechanic let you drive your car while he's changing the wheels. It could also be stated in another way : car mechanics value "useability" better than MRA does...

@john-doyle-0 Sorry for the extra confusion I added. What I said in my previous post wasn't correct. I messed up the 2 columns related to the Gold and the Silver subscription. Indeed, the Silver account seems to have restrictions in the layers in the screenshot I made in my previous post whereas I actually only correctly mentioned the information related to the toolkits. The information I mentioned related to the map layers in my previous post wasn't correct, looking back at the screenshot I made in my previous post.

However, in the link you send, indeed there is a mismatch between the information there and the information from my screenshot !!!

This seems to be an error from MRA ??? I suggest you contact them, because indeed, this doesn't seem to be correct. Sorry for the confusion I may have added, but indeed, your statement looks correct to me : according to the info in your opening post, you should be allowed using the 10 layers...

@john-doyle-0 Your confusion comes from the difference between the map overlays

and the route calculation possibilities coming with the toolkits

Whereas you can use, as a Silver subscriber, all possible map overlays, you'll only be able to have your routes calculated in OSM (OpenStreetMap). Have a look at 2 crosses at the beginning of the 3th section in the screenshot below (mentioning "routeberekening" i.e. "route calculation")