Flexibility of Speed Alerts

[Marinus van Deudekom]

The law forbids you to have devices that detect radar and speed traps. MRA and all the other devices and apps don’t do that.
Sticking to MRA it doesn’t detect radar etc just points out on the map locations that might have the possibility of speedcontrol. In the Netherlands MRA knies a part of the known locations but not all. In Germany MRA doesn’t show any location at all.
In the Netherlands having a device that defects radar étais also structuur fiorbidden and you risk a sévère penalty.
The mentionnes TomTom does nothing else in Zwitserland. It does not désactivante the complete system.
If you encounter a policeofficer don’t be a smartass. Just coöperatie and you’ll be fine. They know MRA and TomTom don’t detect speed devices

[nomko]

@Marinus-van-Deudekom said:

The law forbids you to have devices that detect radar and speed traps. MRA and all the other devices and apps don’t do that.

Not correct:

MRA is beside a navigation app also a driver alert app which is installed on a device (smartphone). Therefore the rule/law applies as well.

But, hey, you're the expert Marinus!!! I'm just a stupid idiot...

[Nick Carthew]

@nomko Does MRA provide speed camera alerts or radar detection in Switzerland?

[Con Hennekens]

@nomko, Yes, MRA can give warnings, but it does not do that in countries were it is not allowed. It is really not that difficult...

[Marinus van Deudekom]

@Con-Hennekens no MRA does not DETECT those installations, just provides the locations of known places where camera's are installed. That is not against the law

[Marinus van Deudekom]

@nomko I don't think your an idiot at at. Just read the message carefully. The one that you posted yourself. Being a retired policeman myself I do know something about reading the law right

[Corjan Meijerink]

Keep it nice....

[Axel Härtl]

Hello everyone,

This thread has unexpectedly turned into a major discussion. I’m not sure if that’s appropriate for the topic.

So I’d like to briefly summarize what we’ve learned. I hope I’ve understood everything correctly.

1: Radar detectors warnings are banned in many countries.
2: Active navigation devices or detectors are therefore not allowed to warn of speed cameras.
3: Even if these warning systems do not trigger alerts in certain countries, they are prohibited in navigation devices.
4: The police are likely familiar with common navigation systems, such as TomTom or MRA, and know that speed camera warnings are possible.
5: During traffic stops, the police are not permitted to actively open navigation devices to check for the presence of radar detectors warnings.
6: It is unclear how this is handled in practice, given the typically tense atmosphere.
7: There is no logical connection between “speed camera warnings” and "alerts regarding local speeding violations".
8: According to Corjan, adapting MRA to separate these two options does not require significant technical effort.
9: Adapting MRA to reflect this change is not a high priority.

I would suggest that we end the discussion here and let @corjan-meijerink decide if and when he implements this proposal.

Agreed?

Best regards ‍️‍

Axel

[Con Hennekens]

Radar detectors are a different kind of thing. Those devices can actively detect radar waves being used by speed traps. This is also unlawful in the Netherlands but certainly NOT a thing the MRA app can do.

Driver alert systems tend to have a list of speedtraps, and warn when you enter such area. This is NOT prohibited in the Netherlands for example, but is in some other countries like Germany and Switzerland it is. Since MRA offers NO speedtrap locations in countries where that is prohibited, MRA is NOT a forbidden navigational app in those counties, since it does not warn for speed traps.

Just to be clear

[Axel Härtl]

@Con-Hennekens OK, let's change the expression to radar warnings.