Exclude cities
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Hello,
I am planning a route from Neumünster to Chemnitz. Unfortunately the route goes through Hamburg city. I excluded highways and cities. Setting was OSM maps. What can be done to avoid this kind of routing. Its clear that I can adjust the route but why is it not avoiding bigger cities in the first place.
From Neumuenster to Chemnitz, I would bypass Hamburg far to the east.
If you take this route, for example, you don't have to cross the Elbe until you reach Prettin
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It's just not consistent if you can exclude cities and you are guided through a big city. Or Hamburg is considered not as a city but a state of Germany. Who knows
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It's just not consistent if you can exclude cities and you are guided through a big city. Or Hamburg is considered not as a city but a state of Germany. Who knows
It's even stranger — there are at least two additional parameters that have a massive impact on an OSM route:
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The "Avoid toll roads" option: for some inexplicable reason, OSM often uses highways even though they are excluded by "Avoid highways" — this does not happen with "Avoid toll roads"
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The use of ferries often leads to long detours instead of simply crossing
Here is an example of a route from Neumünster to Lauenburg: in the first case, the destination is north of the Elbe, so there is no need to cross it, but in the second case, it is.
EDIT: Some bullshit here, no need to take a ferry in this example, as there is a bridge crossing the Elbe in Lauenburg. But using ferries often IS a problem
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It's just not consistent if you can exclude cities and you are guided through a big city. Or Hamburg is considered not as a city but a state of Germany. Who knows
@Thomas-Neumeyer I saw some videos of German youth, who are so geographically ill-informed, they would place Hamburg in Indonesia
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It's even stranger — there are at least two additional parameters that have a massive impact on an OSM route:
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The "Avoid toll roads" option: for some inexplicable reason, OSM often uses highways even though they are excluded by "Avoid highways" — this does not happen with "Avoid toll roads"
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The use of ferries often leads to long detours instead of simply crossing
Here is an example of a route from Neumünster to Lauenburg: in the first case, the destination is north of the Elbe, so there is no need to cross it, but in the second case, it is.
EDIT: Some bullshit here, no need to take a ferry in this example, as there is a bridge crossing the Elbe in Lauenburg. But using ferries often IS a problem
@Martin-Wilcke now is the question: are they some wrong data in the OSM map or does MRA pick the wrong roads.
Met andere apps maak je een route, met MRA componeer je een route!
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@Martin-Wilcke now is the question: are they some wrong data in the OSM map or does MRA pick the wrong roads.
This is probably not due to the OSM data itself.. Here are two examples of route planners that also use OSM:
- Kurviger / Graphhopper
- Rumo / BRouter
It may be due to which OSM route engine MRA uses and how it's configured.
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I tried Stegra and it does this part better. I like MRA, no question. Maybe there will be a change in the new web planner. Would be nice to hear a bit about future plans. Other competitor make a lot of advertising about the next big thing.
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I tried Stegra and it does this part better. I like MRA, no question. Maybe there will be a change in the new web planner. Would be nice to hear a bit about future plans. Other competitor make a lot of advertising about the next big thing.
@Thomas-Neumeyer What competitor would that be and what is their next ‘big thing’?
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Exactly! "No-Go-Areas" is one of the most underrated features in planning tools. Hopefully, the new MRA Web Planner will implement this!
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@Thomas-Neumeyer What competitor would that be and what is their next ‘big thing’?
@Nick-Carthew I don't know if you consider DMD2 as a competition. I am following them in Facebook and they always spoiler their new developments and what is coming next. There will be a big change in their app especially the UI and the web planner has got also some updates. I am aware that the market group for DMD2 and MTA might be different.
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Exactly! "No-Go-Areas" is one of the most underrated features in planning tools. Hopefully, the new MRA Web Planner will implement this!
@Martin-Wilcke Would be a nice feature. Indeed.
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@Nick-Carthew I don't know if you consider DMD2 as a competition. I am following them in Facebook and they always spoiler their new developments and what is coming next. There will be a big change in their app especially the UI and the web planner has got also some updates. I am aware that the market group for DMD2 and MTA might be different.
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@Nick-Carthew I don't know if you consider DMD2 as a competition. I am following them in Facebook and they always spoiler their new developments and what is coming next. There will be a big change in their app especially the UI and the web planner has got also some updates. I am aware that the market group for DMD2 and MTA might be different.
@Thomas-Neumeyer yea - that's the new age: every tool want do everythig. But that's not that easy - expecially if there is a long history in their own development. This often makes it difficult to develop complete new things in very short time.
I have used lot of navigation systems to compare and I'm using MRA since very long time, in meantime with conviction. Because it's the best Planner on market for onroad.
Now I have the feeling, development consider also offroad.For offroad, I use - also with conviction DMD Planner and DMD2 App. Because DMD has a huge lead in development for this terrain. Nowadays, the try also routing at onroad. But the result is still quite modest. If they really would reach the level of MRA, that's not sure...
So, as long as there us no "Swiss Army Knive" in navigation, I use the best tool for each purpose.
Nothing is impossible ;-)
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@Thomas-Neumeyer yea - that's the new age: every tool want do everythig. But that's not that easy - expecially if there is a long history in their own development. This often makes it difficult to develop complete new things in very short time.
I have used lot of navigation systems to compare and I'm using MRA since very long time, in meantime with conviction. Because it's the best Planner on market for onroad.
Now I have the feeling, development consider also offroad.For offroad, I use - also with conviction DMD Planner and DMD2 App. Because DMD has a huge lead in development for this terrain. Nowadays, the try also routing at onroad. But the result is still quite modest. If they really would reach the level of MRA, that's not sure...
So, as long as there us no "Swiss Army Knive" in navigation, I use the best tool for each purpose.
@Guzzist I fully agree with you. Nothing is perfect and we have to select the application according to its purpose. Still it would be a great thing to avoid a city if you can select it to be avoided.
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@Thomas-Neumeyer yea - that's the new age: every tool want do everythig. But that's not that easy - expecially if there is a long history in their own development. This often makes it difficult to develop complete new things in very short time.
I have used lot of navigation systems to compare and I'm using MRA since very long time, in meantime with conviction. Because it's the best Planner on market for onroad.
Now I have the feeling, development consider also offroad.For offroad, I use - also with conviction DMD Planner and DMD2 App. Because DMD has a huge lead in development for this terrain. Nowadays, the try also routing at onroad. But the result is still quite modest. If they really would reach the level of MRA, that's not sure...
So, as long as there us no "Swiss Army Knive" in navigation, I use the best tool for each purpose.
Even if this discussion is now off-topic:
There are many planning and navigation apps, each with its own focus and pros and cons.
But there is something that sets the DMD ecosystem apart from all the others: the way it works with its users. From the very beginning, both the app and the web planner were developed with strong community interaction. New ideas are born in chats, discussed with developers, and often built and launched quickly, sometimes within hours. New versions are distributed from their own servers for DMD devices, not via Google Play.
Of course, this also has disadvantages: complexity is increasing rapidly, stability is a real issue, and documentation is nearly always out of date or even non-existent. Almost all users use the beta version because they want the latest features. Agile extreme.
Nevertheless, the development continues to be fueled by enough enthusiasts — it will be impressive to see how this progresses.
