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UPDATE: SOLVED // MR doesn't recognise a specific (short) road which I did ride (in Belgium)

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  • Stefan Hummelinkundefined Stefan Hummelink

    @Trui-Hanoulle MRA does not update the maps. MRA simply utilizes the maps owned and maintained by TomTom, OSM and Garmin and therefore any map changes or updates are to be implemented by the applicable map owner. People mistakenly assume MRA is responsible for the quality of the maps but that is completely dependent of the map owners. Just like BMW/Mercedes/Audi are not responsible for the quality of the used Michelin/Dunlop tyres. ☺️

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    @StefanHummelink okay, logical. Thank you for this information.
    So this 'unclosable street' would be either a wrongful update by TomTom/OSM/Garmin OR Google Maps is wrong.
    wondering*

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    • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

      @Trui-Hanoulle said in UPDATE: SOLVED // MR doesn't recognise a specific (short) road which I did ride (in Belgium):

      @Nick-Carthew indeed ! that solves it. Learned my first thing of 2021 :)))

      It’s always good to learn something new. The skip function is a useful tool. It temporarily switches off navigation and will draw a straight line between the two route points. Because of this, it is always best to have a route point on either side of the obstruction.

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      @Nick-Carthew I did put a route point as close as possible to the 'obstruction' so the straight line is even barely noticeable.
      I do hope my kilometer count is correct, but I will test it with another detour elsewhere. Just to be sure I'm not too far off with the 'skip'.

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      • Trui Hanoulleundefined Trui Hanoulle

        @Nick-Carthew I did put a route point as close as possible to the 'obstruction' so the straight line is even barely noticeable.
        I do hope my kilometer count is correct, but I will test it with another detour elsewhere. Just to be sure I'm not too far off with the 'skip'.

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        @Trui-Hanoulle Are you using the ‘Compare With) tool from the toolkit? I downloaded your route (before you had adjusted it). I opened it on the Here map and turned on the Compare with TomTom tool. I noticed that there was some discrepancies between The Here track (black line) and TomTom track (red line). If you are sharing the route to other users, some will use Garmin and some will use TomTom devices. Always make the route equal so that all users will follow the same track.

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        • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

          @Trui-Hanoulle Are you using the ‘Compare With) tool from the toolkit? I downloaded your route (before you had adjusted it). I opened it on the Here map and turned on the Compare with TomTom tool. I noticed that there was some discrepancies between The Here track (black line) and TomTom track (red line). If you are sharing the route to other users, some will use Garmin and some will use TomTom devices. Always make the route equal so that all users will follow the same track.

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          The route point numbers will be different now after your adjustments. But you can see some of the discrepancies.

          360333EF-F7DE-444A-B585-556C502C537A.png

          Always willing to help if I can.
          Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
          MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
          Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
          Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
          TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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          • Trui Hanoulleundefined Trui Hanoulle

            @Nick-Carthew I did put a route point as close as possible to the 'obstruction' so the straight line is even barely noticeable.
            I do hope my kilometer count is correct, but I will test it with another detour elsewhere. Just to be sure I'm not too far off with the 'skip'.

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            @Trui-Hanoulle This discrepancy is caused because the route point is too close to the junction. Make sure to place route points away from junctions, roundabouts and bridges. Also, fully zoom into each one to check the accuracy of its position. In this example, TomTom riders will be directed left and then told to turn around again. C6D324E5-5C33-49C7-BC8D-ABCC98866CA7.png

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            Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
            MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
            Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
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            • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

              @Trui-Hanoulle Are you using the ‘Compare With) tool from the toolkit? I downloaded your route (before you had adjusted it). I opened it on the Here map and turned on the Compare with TomTom tool. I noticed that there was some discrepancies between The Here track (black line) and TomTom track (red line). If you are sharing the route to other users, some will use Garmin and some will use TomTom devices. Always make the route equal so that all users will follow the same track.

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              #13

              @Nick-Carthew yeah, Nick, I know...

              I'm also the boss of the women's motorcycle club WIMA-Belgium. Any organiser of a ride, shares her gps-files as a TRACK, not as a route. We all have different devises and we've had so much confusion in the past. Track is for us the way to go. Some do convert it into a route on the device they use, but I (on Montana 600 with open source maps) follow the track.

              As for the magazine :
              — I share route + track with the people of the magazine, as to my knowledge I can not just export a track (which I would prefer)
              — they then upload this into RouteYou with whom they have a partnership
              — in the end, for this article in 2 parts about the tiny routes of the Belgian borders, the result is sadly rough, whereas I make it very very detailed and correct. (corrections after ridden route for 10 days)

              Oh well...

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              • Trui Hanoulleundefined Trui Hanoulle

                @Nick-Carthew yeah, Nick, I know...

                I'm also the boss of the women's motorcycle club WIMA-Belgium. Any organiser of a ride, shares her gps-files as a TRACK, not as a route. We all have different devises and we've had so much confusion in the past. Track is for us the way to go. Some do convert it into a route on the device they use, but I (on Montana 600 with open source maps) follow the track.

                As for the magazine :
                — I share route + track with the people of the magazine, as to my knowledge I can not just export a track (which I would prefer)
                — they then upload this into RouteYou with whom they have a partnership
                — in the end, for this article in 2 parts about the tiny routes of the Belgian borders, the result is sadly rough, whereas I make it very very detailed and correct. (corrections after ridden route for 10 days)

                Oh well...

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                @Trui-Hanoulle The great thing about the Compare With tool is that it will not cause confusion or problems with different devices. If you want, I can look at your finished route before you publish it.
                All of the routes that are added to the RouteXpert Library are checked this way, guaranteeing that all users will travel the same route.

                Always willing to help if I can.
                Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                • Trui Hanoulleundefined Trui Hanoulle

                  @StefanHummelink okay, logical. Thank you for this information.
                  So this 'unclosable street' would be either a wrongful update by TomTom/OSM/Garmin OR Google Maps is wrong.
                  wondering*

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                  @Trui-Hanoulle Don't know the exact problem in practice, but either of the two does not have the latest actual road environment of that specific location:).

                  Manks bu'j te bange.

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                  • Stefan Hummelinkundefined Stefan Hummelink

                    @Trui-Hanoulle Don't know the exact problem in practice, but either of the two does not have the latest actual road environment of that specific location:).

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                    @StefanHummelink yep, I think that must be the cause :)))
                    Oh well, road blocks sometimes lead to new adventures, hihi..

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                    • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                      @Trui-Hanoulle The great thing about the Compare With tool is that it will not cause confusion or problems with different devices. If you want, I can look at your finished route before you publish it.
                      All of the routes that are added to the RouteXpert Library are checked this way, guaranteeing that all users will travel the same route.

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                      #17

                      @Nick-Carthew I didn't know about this 'compare with' tool but will definitely check it out, thank you for your great help!
                      It would be great to know if this one route which I finalised now (properly zoomed in and placed turns as should) is top notch. Would you mind having a look at it?
                      same link : https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/3511843

                      5 more day routes to go, but if I know about this one already, then I know where to alter if needed. THANK you !

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                      • Trui Hanoulleundefined Trui Hanoulle

                        @Nick-Carthew I didn't know about this 'compare with' tool but will definitely check it out, thank you for your great help!
                        It would be great to know if this one route which I finalised now (properly zoomed in and placed turns as should) is top notch. Would you mind having a look at it?
                        same link : https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/3511843

                        5 more day routes to go, but if I know about this one already, then I know where to alter if needed. THANK you !

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                        @Trui-Hanoulle No problem. I have downloaded the route so you can change the privacy now. I will look at it in the morning when I switch my PC on and then give you some feedback.

                        Always willing to help if I can.
                        Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                        MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                        Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                        Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                        TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                        • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                          @Trui-Hanoulle No problem. I have downloaded the route so you can change the privacy now. I will look at it in the morning when I switch my PC on and then give you some feedback.

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                          @Nick-Carthew great !
                          just modified the last bits on day 5, tried the 'cw' tool with 'here', and adapted two locations.
                          Tomtom gives odd curls in a few places. I can compare with the track I actually rode, so I know for a fact what can be done. (I had a few 'no go' roads so turned around and do not included those of course) : https://www.myrouteapp.com/routetrack/open/3488620 (track now public)

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                          • Trui Hanoulleundefined Trui Hanoulle

                            @Nick-Carthew great !
                            just modified the last bits on day 5, tried the 'cw' tool with 'here', and adapted two locations.
                            Tomtom gives odd curls in a few places. I can compare with the track I actually rode, so I know for a fact what can be done. (I had a few 'no go' roads so turned around and do not included those of course) : https://www.myrouteapp.com/routetrack/open/3488620 (track now public)

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                            @Trui-Hanoulle I generally find the TomTom map to be more accurate so if there is a discrepancy, I tend towards trusting the TT.
                            I will look in the morning and give you complete feedback and maybe some tips for getting the best out of all the tools.

                            Always willing to help if I can.
                            Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                            MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                            Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                            Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                            TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                            • Trui Hanoulleundefined Trui Hanoulle

                              @Nick-Carthew great !
                              just modified the last bits on day 5, tried the 'cw' tool with 'here', and adapted two locations.
                              Tomtom gives odd curls in a few places. I can compare with the track I actually rode, so I know for a fact what can be done. (I had a few 'no go' roads so turned around and do not included those of course) : https://www.myrouteapp.com/routetrack/open/3488620 (track now public)

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                              Hi @Trui-Hanoulle I have overlaid your track (yellow) by selecting 'Routes' in the left column and then 'Add'. I have the Compare With TomTom and Garmin tool turned on. TT is red and Garmin is green. There are several places where TT and Garmin disagree with your black route and yellow track. If you were to share this route to other users as it is, TT and Garmin users will have problems. Some of the discrepancies are caused because you have chosen to go off road. There are solutions that will enable ALL users to follow your intended route. Some solutions are an easy fix and just require moving a route point and some are a little more complicated. See my next pictures.

                              Overlays.jpg

                              Always willing to help if I can.
                              Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                              MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                              Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                              Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                              TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                              • Trui Hanoulleundefined Trui Hanoulle

                                @Nick-Carthew great !
                                just modified the last bits on day 5, tried the 'cw' tool with 'here', and adapted two locations.
                                Tomtom gives odd curls in a few places. I can compare with the track I actually rode, so I know for a fact what can be done. (I had a few 'no go' roads so turned around and do not included those of course) : https://www.myrouteapp.com/routetrack/open/3488620 (track now public)

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                                @Trui-Hanoulle This is an easy fix:

                                Easy fix.jpg

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                                Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                                MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                                Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                                Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                                TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                                • Trui Hanoulleundefined Trui Hanoulle

                                  @Nick-Carthew great !
                                  just modified the last bits on day 5, tried the 'cw' tool with 'here', and adapted two locations.
                                  Tomtom gives odd curls in a few places. I can compare with the track I actually rode, so I know for a fact what can be done. (I had a few 'no go' roads so turned around and do not included those of course) : https://www.myrouteapp.com/routetrack/open/3488620 (track now public)

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                                  @Trui-Hanoulle Some fixes involve a little more work and an understanding of how certain functions work.

                                  Skipping RPs.jpg

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                                  • Trui Hanoulleundefined Trui Hanoulle

                                    @Nick-Carthew great !
                                    just modified the last bits on day 5, tried the 'cw' tool with 'here', and adapted two locations.
                                    Tomtom gives odd curls in a few places. I can compare with the track I actually rode, so I know for a fact what can be done. (I had a few 'no go' roads so turned around and do not included those of course) : https://www.myrouteapp.com/routetrack/open/3488620 (track now public)

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                                    @Trui-Hanoulle TomTom won't use this road as there are restrictions to motor vehicles:

                                    Restrictions.png

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                                    MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
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                                    Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
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                                    • Trui Hanoulleundefined Trui Hanoulle

                                      @Nick-Carthew great !
                                      just modified the last bits on day 5, tried the 'cw' tool with 'here', and adapted two locations.
                                      Tomtom gives odd curls in a few places. I can compare with the track I actually rode, so I know for a fact what can be done. (I had a few 'no go' roads so turned around and do not included those of course) : https://www.myrouteapp.com/routetrack/open/3488620 (track now public)

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                                      @Trui-Hanoulle If you would like any further help, please ask. I can even adjust your route for you if you would prefer that. Good luck and keep enjoying making routes 👍

                                      Always willing to help if I can.
                                      Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                                      MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                                      Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                                      Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                                      TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                                      • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                                        @Trui-Hanoulle TomTom won't use this road as there are restrictions to motor vehicles:

                                        Restrictions.png

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                                        @Nick-Carthew you caught me, haha ! I didn't remember that I ignored this sign indeed ;))) And I shouldn't promote illegal riding, obviously.

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                                        • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                                          Hi @Trui-Hanoulle I have overlaid your track (yellow) by selecting 'Routes' in the left column and then 'Add'. I have the Compare With TomTom and Garmin tool turned on. TT is red and Garmin is green. There are several places where TT and Garmin disagree with your black route and yellow track. If you were to share this route to other users as it is, TT and Garmin users will have problems. Some of the discrepancies are caused because you have chosen to go off road. There are solutions that will enable ALL users to follow your intended route. Some solutions are an easy fix and just require moving a route point and some are a little more complicated. See my next pictures.

                                          Overlays.jpg

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                                          @Nick-Carthew As for the offroad, this has been a choice and is written as such in the article. I go offroad wherever possible (which is not very often alas in Belgium).

                                          This very image (starting point): I noticed differences indeed + I rode into Lux for fuel (yellow line) but do not want to add that to the route — that's everybody's own choice.
                                          I fixed that one immediately, and will fix the other places too, especially the one with the sign, ha.

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