Auto skip many waypoints by itself while I was on route. [5.2.0 - 474]
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Today i noticed also something in autoskipping procedure. I don't know if the rootcause is the same. But still i write it here.
- From my current position i need to drive approx. 20 km before i'm on the route.
- My standard setting is "Closest point" as startpoint when (re)starting a route.
- Auto skipping is enabled as a default setting.
Today MRA auto-selected "point 7" of the route as startingpoint. I changed this manual to "point 2". MRA created a route from my position to "point 2". So far nothing strange.
Pretty after riding away from the where i started, i did need to deviate. MRA did a recalculation and skipped to "point 7". The recalculation was expected but auto-skipping to "point 7" not. Changed manual back to point 2 and keep on driving. A bit further and nicely on (pre-)route, MRA started a recalculation and auto-skipped to point 7. This time both were complete unexpected. -
My guess is that it's normal behavior because you've stated that MRA saw nr 7 as the nearest point therefore skipping 1 to 6
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You can see it as normal behaviour. But there are more ways to look at it.
The selected startpoint of the route is kind of an endpoint for the extra added part of the route. An endpoint normally doesn't change.
Another point of view. When you are riding the route and you are deviating from the route and the next waypoint is still ahead of you. The navigation won't skip this one either.(I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)
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You can see it as normal behaviour. But there are more ways to look at it.
The selected startpoint of the route is kind of an endpoint for the extra added part of the route. An endpoint normally doesn't change.
Another point of view. When you are riding the route and you are deviating from the route and the next waypoint is still ahead of you. The navigation won't skip this one either.@M.-Schrijver I agree with @marinus-van-deudekom the system is pretty much doing what you asked it to do
your settings "My standard setting is "Closest point" as start point when (re)starting a route." set the system up to designate point #7 as the start
when this is locked into MRA & you then deviate & cause a recalculation, it is going to recalculate to point #7
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That is just a different opinion. When i select a different point to start from, i expect the navigation stick to this point. No matter what happens during the trip to that selected point. Otherwise there is no reason to select a different point.
There are only 2 options. Startpoint (first point) or closest point. Either way following your explanation. In both situations i don't gonna be where i want to be. -
I agree that MRA should not have skipped waypoints to wp7 on a recalculation.
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There is a simple solution to these issues!
Turn off auto skip waypoints!
We had similar issues where it would randomly skip waypoints. There is 7 of us that sometimes we all had the problem and other times it was two or three of us.
We have all turned off auto skip waypoints and we skip them as and when we need to manually.
The next issue we need to figure out is why sometimes 2 people in the group end up with a different route than the one that was planned! coincidentally its the two who are using offline maps but that's for a different thread
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There is a simple solution to these issues!
Turn off auto skip waypoints!
We had similar issues where it would randomly skip waypoints. There is 7 of us that sometimes we all had the problem and other times it was two or three of us.
We have all turned off auto skip waypoints and we skip them as and when we need to manually.
The next issue we need to figure out is why sometimes 2 people in the group end up with a different route than the one that was planned! coincidentally its the two who are using offline maps but that's for a different thread
hi @stuart-marritt said:
The next issue we need to figure out is why sometimes 2 people in the group end up with a different route than the one that was planned!
sorry this has nothing to do with the OP, just thought I'd comment on the above.
funnily enough, I had this issue during the last weekend. me and a ridding buddy spent two days in lakes, I planned the routes on my computer, and as usual I always use the compare tool to make sure there are no nasty surprises.
My friend accessed the routes through the friends tab, both our devices are set up the same way in settings, although mine does not have internet as no SIM card, so obviously offline navigation. Android on rugged tablet.
He uses his phone iPhone 16 using NN also with offline navigation enabled.
when we compared the routes on our devices, both of the routes had changed on his, not a huge amount, but enough to make it like the red arrows at some junctions. some of the waypoints for him were skipped and others tried to get him to go back, did not happen on mine.
I could not understand the reason for this, I checked all settings and everything was exactly the same.
I think it might be something to do with internet access even tho offline nav is enabled, this is the only difference in our set up, save for android and IOS.
it did not spoil the rides as we were aware of the parts where NN would try to send him a different way. -
There is a simple solution to these issues!
Turn off auto skip waypoints!
We had similar issues where it would randomly skip waypoints. There is 7 of us that sometimes we all had the problem and other times it was two or three of us.
We have all turned off auto skip waypoints and we skip them as and when we need to manually.
The next issue we need to figure out is why sometimes 2 people in the group end up with a different route than the one that was planned! coincidentally its the two who are using offline maps but that's for a different thread
There is a simple solution to these issues!
Turn off auto skip waypoints!
A better solution. Use no points at all.
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Went out for a 400km ride today. Everything worked great. Did a detour manually due to construction. MRA attempted to reroute me 4 times and then skipped a waypoint and I was back on route. Maybe next time I'll try the new feature for devouring around construction.
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hi @stuart-marritt said:
The next issue we need to figure out is why sometimes 2 people in the group end up with a different route than the one that was planned!
sorry this has nothing to do with the OP, just thought I'd comment on the above.
funnily enough, I had this issue during the last weekend. me and a ridding buddy spent two days in lakes, I planned the routes on my computer, and as usual I always use the compare tool to make sure there are no nasty surprises.
My friend accessed the routes through the friends tab, both our devices are set up the same way in settings, although mine does not have internet as no SIM card, so obviously offline navigation. Android on rugged tablet.
He uses his phone iPhone 16 using NN also with offline navigation enabled.
when we compared the routes on our devices, both of the routes had changed on his, not a huge amount, but enough to make it like the red arrows at some junctions. some of the waypoints for him were skipped and others tried to get him to go back, did not happen on mine.
I could not understand the reason for this, I checked all settings and everything was exactly the same.
I think it might be something to do with internet access even tho offline nav is enabled, this is the only difference in our set up, save for android and IOS.
it did not spoil the rides as we were aware of the parts where NN would try to send him a different way.@paul69 did you both have the same version of offline maps loaded?
if the underlying map data is different then the routing calculation between points could calculate differentlywhat happens if you set both devices to ride the paths as a track?
BlackView BV7100, Android 12
Navigate "Routes as Tracks" in Offline mode with Offline Maps
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@paul69 did you both have the same version of offline maps loaded?
if the underlying map data is different then the routing calculation between points could calculate differentlywhat happens if you set both devices to ride the paths as a track?
hi @Brian-McG
thanks for the map tip, TBH that was the one thing I did not check, but the roads we were on are well established and have never changed in many years.
We were riding routes as routes.
I had thought of changing it to "as tracks" although as I wrote it did not cause any riding issues, as we were aware of the discrepancies.It was more about pointing out the issue, as the one which had changed had Internet access, but offline nav enabled.
it may be a useful point for anyone else if they come across this issue when riding in groups, which I guess would be better for everyone to use tracks.
One point on that, when I select this option, I always get the "go online for better track navigation" or words to that effect, can't remember off hand. My NN is on a tablet with no SIM card, therefore never any internet access.
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hi @Brian-McG
thanks for the map tip, TBH that was the one thing I did not check, but the roads we were on are well established and have never changed in many years.
We were riding routes as routes.
I had thought of changing it to "as tracks" although as I wrote it did not cause any riding issues, as we were aware of the discrepancies.It was more about pointing out the issue, as the one which had changed had Internet access, but offline nav enabled.
it may be a useful point for anyone else if they come across this issue when riding in groups, which I guess would be better for everyone to use tracks.
One point on that, when I select this option, I always get the "go online for better track navigation" or words to that effect, can't remember off hand. My NN is on a tablet with no SIM card, therefore never any internet access.
️@paul69 By definition, calculated route when offline, may not be exactly the same as you planned.
And the fact that the only people who had it different are the ones using the offline navigation kind of proves it.
Also, did they have "Navigate routes as tracks" selected?
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There is a simple solution to these issues!
Turn off auto skip waypoints!
A better solution. Use no points at all.
There is a simple solution to these issues!
Turn off auto skip waypoints!
A better solution. Use no points at all.
Well its not!
You plan a route to go where you want to go and not let the navigation decide
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hi @Brian-McG
thanks for the map tip, TBH that was the one thing I did not check, but the roads we were on are well established and have never changed in many years.
We were riding routes as routes.
I had thought of changing it to "as tracks" although as I wrote it did not cause any riding issues, as we were aware of the discrepancies.It was more about pointing out the issue, as the one which had changed had Internet access, but offline nav enabled.
it may be a useful point for anyone else if they come across this issue when riding in groups, which I guess would be better for everyone to use tracks.
One point on that, when I select this option, I always get the "go online for better track navigation" or words to that effect, can't remember off hand. My NN is on a tablet with no SIM card, therefore never any internet access.
️@paul69 the roads may well be established but if one of the sets of map data contains data about a road being impassable i.e. closed for construction or if the map data weights a road with a different average speed then the calculation of route could possibly result in a different being calculated
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@paul69 By definition, calculated route when offline, may not be exactly the same as you planned.
And the fact that the only people who had it different are the ones using the offline navigation kind of proves it.
Also, did they have "Navigate routes as tracks" selected?
Thx!hi @LennyO
calculated route when offline, may not be exactly the same as you planned.
not entirely sure what you mean here. Why would it calculate an already planned route. The routes are planned on the MRA website and automatically sync to the devices when NN opened, my routes do not change when I use NN, (lets not discuss seasonal closures etc)
And the fact that the only people who had it different are the ones using the offline navigation kind of proves it.
the one with internet access had the route changed on their device, not mine (without Internet), for me the route remained as we had planned on the laptop, we both had offline navigation enabled in settings
did not have routes as tracks.
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@paul69 the roads may well be established but if one of the sets of map data contains data about a road being impassable i.e. closed for construction or if the map data weights a road with a different average speed then the calculation of route could possibly result in a different being calculated
hi @Brian-McG said:
the roads may well be established but if one of the sets of map data contains data about a road being impassable i.e. closed for construction or if the map data weights a road with a different average speed then the calculation of route could possibly result in a different being calculated
suppose that's a fair point, one to remember for the future when arranging rides with others.
TBF this can be the only explanation as nothing else would explain it.Take note all who read this, forget about the online, offline, internet or no internet, debacle, check your maps, obviously before you leave home on your trips with your mates
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hi @brian-mcg
just thought I'd give you a quick update. I checked with my riding buddy and yes you are correct, his version was quite a few updates behind. It did not occur to me to even check if he had done this.
I thought I was quite an experienced user of MRA, but it shows there is always something to learn.
Complete School boy error but not too proud to admit itI imagine this will be a good reminder for people to check the map versions.
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hi @LennyO
calculated route when offline, may not be exactly the same as you planned.
not entirely sure what you mean here. Why would it calculate an already planned route. The routes are planned on the MRA website and automatically sync to the devices when NN opened, my routes do not change when I use NN, (lets not discuss seasonal closures etc)
And the fact that the only people who had it different are the ones using the offline navigation kind of proves it.
the one with internet access had the route changed on their device, not mine (without Internet), for me the route remained as we had planned on the laptop, we both had offline navigation enabled in settings
did not have routes as tracks.
hi @LennyO
calculated route when offline, may not be exactly the same as you planned.
not entirely sure what you mean here. Why would it calculate an already planned route. The routes are planned on the MRA website and automatically sync to the devices when NN opened, my routes do not change when I use NN, (lets not discuss seasonal closures etc)
@paul69 I say that because you or your friends may have options selected in the Functional preferences that adjust the route based on the real time road work or traffic conditions.
That also answers the second half of my previous post. -
hi @brian-mcg
just thought I'd give you a quick update. I checked with my riding buddy and yes you are correct, his version was quite a few updates behind. It did not occur to me to even check if he had done this.
I thought I was quite an experienced user of MRA, but it shows there is always something to learn.
Complete School boy error but not too proud to admit itI imagine this will be a good reminder for people to check the map versions.
️@paul69 the idea of it being the maps is only a guess not a fact
you would need to do some testing before & after updating the maps to prove itBlackView BV7100, Android 12
Navigate "Routes as Tracks" in Offline mode with Offline Maps
No Wifi, no internet, no interruptions, works well
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