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  • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

    @Dae-0 said in Overview of extended testing (goods and bads) done in United Kingdom:

    They’ve moved to OSM due to HERE having performance issues, many routing issues and the fact that HERE don’t seem to care or be responsive to smaller developers.

    Performance issues, yes sometimes. Battery usage is a big issue but they are now actively working on improvements and I've seen some promising results!

    Routing issues? Never to be honest. We as MRA haven't always implemented stuff in the best way possible. Lack of correct information? Definitely sometimes but that would be worse with OSM.

    Caring about smaller developers? Not always as much as I would like but cannot really blame them for that. Switching to open sourced alternative means nobody cares as you need to care for yourself / hope some random community members do that.


    Generally I am a massive fan of OSM and Graphhopper routing. They do not however provide any development platform for both iOS / Android and definitely not a singular cross-platform enabler.
    So there is a lot of nuance to their post that can be added.

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    @Corjan-Meijerink

    Absolutely. I was just pointing out the real reason that they’ve left HERE and correcting Peter’s assertion that it’s due to colours.

    I’m not loyal to a particular product or developer - I simply use the one that’s best for my needs and will honestly tell people if asked.

    I frequently mention Scenic on here as I prefer it over MRA for navigation. It meets my needs more than MRA. However, I often mention MRA on the Scenic forum, often with the claim that it’s light years ahead of Scenic for planning. It’s about balance and suitability. I see the MRA/Scenic combo as like having 2 dedicated tools in my toolbox, rather than a Swiss Army knife.

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      @Corjan-Meijerink

      Absolutely. I was just pointing out the real reason that they’ve left HERE and correcting Peter’s assertion that it’s due to colours.

      I’m not loyal to a particular product or developer - I simply use the one that’s best for my needs and will honestly tell people if asked.

      I frequently mention Scenic on here as I prefer it over MRA for navigation. It meets my needs more than MRA. However, I often mention MRA on the Scenic forum, often with the claim that it’s light years ahead of Scenic for planning. It’s about balance and suitability. I see the MRA/Scenic combo as like having 2 dedicated tools in my toolbox, rather than a Swiss Army knife.

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      @Dae-0 Appreciated! 🙂

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        @Corjan-Meijerink

        Absolutely. I was just pointing out the real reason that they’ve left HERE and correcting Peter’s assertion that it’s due to colours.

        I’m not loyal to a particular product or developer - I simply use the one that’s best for my needs and will honestly tell people if asked.

        I frequently mention Scenic on here as I prefer it over MRA for navigation. It meets my needs more than MRA. However, I often mention MRA on the Scenic forum, often with the claim that it’s light years ahead of Scenic for planning. It’s about balance and suitability. I see the MRA/Scenic combo as like having 2 dedicated tools in my toolbox, rather than a Swiss Army knife.

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        @Dae-0
        As you could read, I correct myself regard color scheme, it was first a miss translation by me regard user concerns at scenic with Here maps.
        And to Corjan, creating own road colors as known from paper maps like Shell or Michelin is a great option.
        And as Dea confirmed too, the routing works better. You can select number of announcement for stop points, viapoints and routing instructions, not only for the routing.
        MRA has this option only for routing.
        Shaping points will not be announced, because normally there is no need. MRA says you can, when you rename the position with no digits or add info.
        Reduce this function to POI, stop points only, simliar to Scenic or Garmin.
        Currently I test scenic routing engine a bit more, but it seems this is with CarPlay, the own colors and better announcement stability reduced to POIs the reference and perhaps I will use both.

        Regard Here or OSM I believe HERE who is working for automotive since decades has and works with more profession. OSM is perhaps too much splitted in interest groups.

        Peter

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          @Corjan-Meijerink

          Absolutely. I was just pointing out the real reason that they’ve left HERE and correcting Peter’s assertion that it’s due to colours.

          I’m not loyal to a particular product or developer - I simply use the one that’s best for my needs and will honestly tell people if asked.

          I frequently mention Scenic on here as I prefer it over MRA for navigation. It meets my needs more than MRA. However, I often mention MRA on the Scenic forum, often with the claim that it’s light years ahead of Scenic for planning. It’s about balance and suitability. I see the MRA/Scenic combo as like having 2 dedicated tools in my toolbox, rather than a Swiss Army knife.

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          @Dae-0, Am I guessing correctly that long-announced Android project is thrown off by this change of map-provider decision?

          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

          Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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          • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

            @Dae-0, Am I guessing correctly that long-announced Android project is thrown off by this change of map-provider decision?

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            @Con-Hennekens

            I believe the developer actually said the change helps. I’m not on top of the Android stuff as I stopped using it 4 years ago.

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            • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

              @Dae-0 said in Overview of extended testing (goods and bads) done in United Kingdom:

              They’ve moved to OSM due to HERE having performance issues, many routing issues and the fact that HERE don’t seem to care or be responsive to smaller developers.

              Performance issues, yes sometimes. Battery usage is a big issue but they are now actively working on improvements and I've seen some promising results!

              Routing issues? Never to be honest. We as MRA haven't always implemented stuff in the best way possible. Lack of correct information? Definitely sometimes but that would be worse with OSM.

              Caring about smaller developers? Not always as much as I would like but cannot really blame them for that. Switching to open sourced alternative means nobody cares as you need to care for yourself / hope some random community members do that.


              Generally I am a massive fan of OSM and Graphhopper routing. They do not however provide any development platform for both iOS / Android and definitely not a singular cross-platform enabler.
              So there is a lot of nuance to their post that can be added.

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              @Corjan-Meijerink said in Overview of extended testing (goods and bads) done in United Kingdom:

              Performance issues, yes sometimes. Battery usage is a big issue but they are now actively working on improvements and I've seen some promising results!

              @Corjan-Meijerink, I am very happy to hear about the promising results! My Pixel 6 gets pretty hot even if I just have MRA open on my computer desk. If I run MRA on the motorcycle while it is plugged into a charging port, it gets really, really hot and sometimes shuts down, even in moderate temperatures. This is the single most important obstacle to me having complete confidence in the program. Thanks for all of your work in prodding HERE to address the issue!

              Vinnie

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              • Vincent Currenundefined Vincent Curren

                @Corjan-Meijerink said in Overview of extended testing (goods and bads) done in United Kingdom:

                Performance issues, yes sometimes. Battery usage is a big issue but they are now actively working on improvements and I've seen some promising results!

                @Corjan-Meijerink, I am very happy to hear about the promising results! My Pixel 6 gets pretty hot even if I just have MRA open on my computer desk. If I run MRA on the motorcycle while it is plugged into a charging port, it gets really, really hot and sometimes shuts down, even in moderate temperatures. This is the single most important obstacle to me having complete confidence in the program. Thanks for all of your work in prodding HERE to address the issue!

                Vinnie

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                @Vincent-Curren see my reply here: https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/55080 🙂

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                • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                  @Vincent-Curren see my reply here: https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/55080 🙂

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                  @Corjan-Meijerink
                  Regard usability on CarPlay the winner is Scenic

                  Sorry Corjan, I perform now some test with the until unknown Scenic App.
                  May you know I like MRA with the palnning on the Web but i struggle with next and the differences in announcments of SP und VP. May you consider this
                  I copied now my two test route to Scenic in the GPX 1.2 format but renamed the Viapoints at Scenic Stoppoints to a clear readable Text.
                  Scenic open this file with no difference.
                  Wall waypoint get numbers in Sequence, a Stoppoint a own number over the total numbers.
                  even when a SP is close to a VP there is no conflict in announcement of the distance up to 3 times of an upcomming „Zwischenziel“.
                  The text of this stop point will not be announced, but is readable as selected by you in the upper main screen of CarPlay as thenext point interchanged by routing instructions.
                  In the lower left CarPlay screen you see the time and distance to the next Stoppoint but you can select in the settings that you see there in in about every 10 second change also the time and distance to the final target.
                  Here some pictures.
                  IMG_0636.jpeg
                  CarPlay screen (with own selected Colors in the setting of Scenic)
                  Next Stoppoint (Via at MRA) in the upper left textbox
                  IMG_0635.jpeg
                  Nr. 2 is a visible shapingpoint, no verbal info.
                  IMG_0634.jpeg
                  routing instruction just comming (in 300 m rechts abbiegen) with no problems and a shaping point nr.4 just behind the corner.

                  IMG_0632.jpeg
                  just after turning right and passing Sp 4 you get on the textbox the info for the next stoppoint.

                  IMG_0630.jpeg
                  Here I am close to this stopppoint from the pictuer before just after passing a sp nr 5 (grey now) and the stoppoint number over the total numer of Waypoint on the road.
                  in the lower box ist just the tiem and distance to the final destination visible.

                  Advantage her in the textbox for a stoppoint you can write what you need, Restaurant name, filling station, a forced shapingpoint between the other shapingpoints. Whatever it is always visible as the next important instruction about two kilometers before with the remaining distance, perhaps interuppted by a routing direction, but with no conflicts when they are close together down to 50 meters.

                  The hand and Bullet is nice in MRA but with no big clear readable Infotext or not seen on CarPlay and AA not useful.
                  Also the possibilty the have an interchangable via of the ETA of the ViaPoint and Final Dest is not bad.
                  The compicated use of SPs with announcements or not, additional text is too much. limit this to VPs and reduce the conflict with the distances to other instructions which are increase since 4.3

                  Peter

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                  • Peter Schieferundefined Peter Schiefer

                    @Corjan-Meijerink
                    Regard usability on CarPlay the winner is Scenic

                    Sorry Corjan, I perform now some test with the until unknown Scenic App.
                    May you know I like MRA with the palnning on the Web but i struggle with next and the differences in announcments of SP und VP. May you consider this
                    I copied now my two test route to Scenic in the GPX 1.2 format but renamed the Viapoints at Scenic Stoppoints to a clear readable Text.
                    Scenic open this file with no difference.
                    Wall waypoint get numbers in Sequence, a Stoppoint a own number over the total numbers.
                    even when a SP is close to a VP there is no conflict in announcement of the distance up to 3 times of an upcomming „Zwischenziel“.
                    The text of this stop point will not be announced, but is readable as selected by you in the upper main screen of CarPlay as thenext point interchanged by routing instructions.
                    In the lower left CarPlay screen you see the time and distance to the next Stoppoint but you can select in the settings that you see there in in about every 10 second change also the time and distance to the final target.
                    Here some pictures.
                    IMG_0636.jpeg
                    CarPlay screen (with own selected Colors in the setting of Scenic)
                    Next Stoppoint (Via at MRA) in the upper left textbox
                    IMG_0635.jpeg
                    Nr. 2 is a visible shapingpoint, no verbal info.
                    IMG_0634.jpeg
                    routing instruction just comming (in 300 m rechts abbiegen) with no problems and a shaping point nr.4 just behind the corner.

                    IMG_0632.jpeg
                    just after turning right and passing Sp 4 you get on the textbox the info for the next stoppoint.

                    IMG_0630.jpeg
                    Here I am close to this stopppoint from the pictuer before just after passing a sp nr 5 (grey now) and the stoppoint number over the total numer of Waypoint on the road.
                    in the lower box ist just the tiem and distance to the final destination visible.

                    Advantage her in the textbox for a stoppoint you can write what you need, Restaurant name, filling station, a forced shapingpoint between the other shapingpoints. Whatever it is always visible as the next important instruction about two kilometers before with the remaining distance, perhaps interuppted by a routing direction, but with no conflicts when they are close together down to 50 meters.

                    The hand and Bullet is nice in MRA but with no big clear readable Infotext or not seen on CarPlay and AA not useful.
                    Also the possibilty the have an interchangable via of the ETA of the ViaPoint and Final Dest is not bad.
                    The compicated use of SPs with announcements or not, additional text is too much. limit this to VPs and reduce the conflict with the distances to other instructions which are increase since 4.3

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                    @Peter-Schiefer Unfortunately, as far as I have been able to see, Scenic is not yet available for Android. Only for Apple yet - I have an Android phone, unfortunately!

                    met een R1250RT met TFT en BMW Connected Ride App; de Garmin Zumo XT en My Route App in combinatie met de Carpuride W702 (voor Android op de Motor!)

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                    • Peter Schieferundefined Peter Schiefer

                      @Corjan-Meijerink
                      Regard usability on CarPlay the winner is Scenic

                      Sorry Corjan, I perform now some test with the until unknown Scenic App.
                      May you know I like MRA with the palnning on the Web but i struggle with next and the differences in announcments of SP und VP. May you consider this
                      I copied now my two test route to Scenic in the GPX 1.2 format but renamed the Viapoints at Scenic Stoppoints to a clear readable Text.
                      Scenic open this file with no difference.
                      Wall waypoint get numbers in Sequence, a Stoppoint a own number over the total numbers.
                      even when a SP is close to a VP there is no conflict in announcement of the distance up to 3 times of an upcomming „Zwischenziel“.
                      The text of this stop point will not be announced, but is readable as selected by you in the upper main screen of CarPlay as thenext point interchanged by routing instructions.
                      In the lower left CarPlay screen you see the time and distance to the next Stoppoint but you can select in the settings that you see there in in about every 10 second change also the time and distance to the final target.
                      Here some pictures.
                      IMG_0636.jpeg
                      CarPlay screen (with own selected Colors in the setting of Scenic)
                      Next Stoppoint (Via at MRA) in the upper left textbox
                      IMG_0635.jpeg
                      Nr. 2 is a visible shapingpoint, no verbal info.
                      IMG_0634.jpeg
                      routing instruction just comming (in 300 m rechts abbiegen) with no problems and a shaping point nr.4 just behind the corner.

                      IMG_0632.jpeg
                      just after turning right and passing Sp 4 you get on the textbox the info for the next stoppoint.

                      IMG_0630.jpeg
                      Here I am close to this stopppoint from the pictuer before just after passing a sp nr 5 (grey now) and the stoppoint number over the total numer of Waypoint on the road.
                      in the lower box ist just the tiem and distance to the final destination visible.

                      Advantage her in the textbox for a stoppoint you can write what you need, Restaurant name, filling station, a forced shapingpoint between the other shapingpoints. Whatever it is always visible as the next important instruction about two kilometers before with the remaining distance, perhaps interuppted by a routing direction, but with no conflicts when they are close together down to 50 meters.

                      The hand and Bullet is nice in MRA but with no big clear readable Infotext or not seen on CarPlay and AA not useful.
                      Also the possibilty the have an interchangable via of the ETA of the ViaPoint and Final Dest is not bad.
                      The compicated use of SPs with announcements or not, additional text is too much. limit this to VPs and reduce the conflict with the distances to other instructions which are increase since 4.3

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                      wrote on last edited by Con Hennekens
                      #34

                      @Peter-Schiefer, I think making advertisement of a competing product is not very appropriate. If you like scenic that much, place subscribe to it, and be happy with it and let MRA move in it's own direction.

                      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                      Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                      Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                      • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                        @Peter-Schiefer, I think making advertisement of a competing product is not very appropriate. If you like scenic that much, place subscribe to it, and be happy with it and let MRA move in it's own direction.

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                        @Con-Hennekens

                        MRA claimed herself in his advertisment „to be the best Navigation System“. In consequence the must look at the competitors and see what works better and is perhaps a room for improvement.

                        Currently the web planer is in opinion in his concept the best what I have tested.
                        But the concept of handling shaping points and via points on the routing App and the announcement rules is an overkill.
                        Actually to much conflicts when points are close together or close to upcomming routing instructions or behind.

                        Just today a second test with scenic. Even a Viapoint 30 meter before a turn left command works together with the command, bit late for the turn command but both points were so close together. At MRA you have problems within few hundred meters to get commands or hints as expected.
                        Next POI fix Waypoint is as shown in Scenic on CarPlay in the main text book visible with your own words, not only the hand and the distance.

                        An to say, here is a gap at MRA as volunteer is more than authorised.

                        Scenic announce a new version for Apple and now also Android for October with several improvements. Additional map layouts for the planner tool, CarPlay included by end of the month for navigation and other things

                        As you say I am not married with MRA,
                        But as I mentioned before the better one is the enemy of the good one.
                        And also other MRA user be satisfied now may see on a test,
                        Oh’ other mothers daughers could be even nice.

                        Peter

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                          @Con-Hennekens

                          MRA claimed herself in his advertisment „to be the best Navigation System“. In consequence the must look at the competitors and see what works better and is perhaps a room for improvement.

                          Currently the web planer is in opinion in his concept the best what I have tested.
                          But the concept of handling shaping points and via points on the routing App and the announcement rules is an overkill.
                          Actually to much conflicts when points are close together or close to upcomming routing instructions or behind.

                          Just today a second test with scenic. Even a Viapoint 30 meter before a turn left command works together with the command, bit late for the turn command but both points were so close together. At MRA you have problems within few hundred meters to get commands or hints as expected.
                          Next POI fix Waypoint is as shown in Scenic on CarPlay in the main text book visible with your own words, not only the hand and the distance.

                          An to say, here is a gap at MRA as volunteer is more than authorised.

                          Scenic announce a new version for Apple and now also Android for October with several improvements. Additional map layouts for the planner tool, CarPlay included by end of the month for navigation and other things

                          As you say I am not married with MRA,
                          But as I mentioned before the better one is the enemy of the good one.
                          And also other MRA user be satisfied now may see on a test,
                          Oh’ other mothers daughers could be even nice.

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                          @Peter-Schiefer, they ARE looking into competitors, but that does not mean they will be making a clone of them. I will not go any further in this senseless discussion with you. I suggest you move on to Scenic.

                          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                          Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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