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  • John S Parryundefined John S Parry

    @RetiredWingMan I'm not sure what you mean. Both Garmin and inRoute announce via points, and don't announce shaping points. Just like MRA.

    The difference is that Garmin and inRoute don't care where you place a shaping point. They'll always announce a turn, regardless. At least that's my experience with the other programs.

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    @John-S-Parry said in Strange Turn-By-Turn Behavior:

    Just like MRA

    Not completely correct, MRA does announce shaping points too (if enabled).
    I hope the devs will not hate me if I say this is a little bug 😉 but I think it is and it will be corrected at some point.

    I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

    Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

    Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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      @John-S-Parry said in Strange Turn-By-Turn Behavior:

      Just like MRA

      Not completely correct, MRA does announce shaping points too (if enabled).
      I hope the devs will not hate me if I say this is a little bug 😉 but I think it is and it will be corrected at some point.

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      @Con-Hennekens Yes, you are correct that MRA can announce shaping points, but Garmin/MRA never do. I was surprised to see it as an option. Why anyone would want a shaping point announced is perplexing. It seems counter intuitive, but I guess choice is good.

      I do agree that MRA shaping point placement requirements for receiving turn notifications is a bug. There shouldn't be a connection. It's not a deal breaker for me, but turn notifications are important. I hope they know and will correct it at some point.

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      • John S Parryundefined John S Parry

        @Con-Hennekens Yes, you are correct that MRA can announce shaping points, but Garmin/MRA never do. I was surprised to see it as an option. Why anyone would want a shaping point announced is perplexing. It seems counter intuitive, but I guess choice is good.

        I do agree that MRA shaping point placement requirements for receiving turn notifications is a bug. There shouldn't be a connection. It's not a deal breaker for me, but turn notifications are important. I hope they know and will correct it at some point.

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        @John-S-Parry said in Strange Turn-By-Turn Behavior:

        Why anyone would want a shaping point announced is perplexing.

        Why is that exactly? I think it is not more than logical if VIA points can be announced why not shaping points? The function of VIA points is not to have them announced, but to prevent them from being auto-skipped. Nothing more nothing less.

        @John-S-Parry said in Strange Turn-By-Turn Behavior:

        Yes, you are correct that MRA can announce shaping points, but Garmin/MRA never do.

        Yes MRA does! You either need to put a name without numbers, or put something in the notes field.

        I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

        Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

        Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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          @John-S-Parry said in Strange Turn-By-Turn Behavior:

          Why anyone would want a shaping point announced is perplexing.

          Why is that exactly? I think it is not more than logical if VIA points can be announced why not shaping points? The function of VIA points is not to have them announced, but to prevent them from being auto-skipped. Nothing more nothing less.

          @John-S-Parry said in Strange Turn-By-Turn Behavior:

          Yes, you are correct that MRA can announce shaping points, but Garmin/MRA never do.

          Yes MRA does! You either need to put a name without numbers, or put something in the notes field.

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          @Con-Hennekens Sorry, I made a typo. I meant to say "Garmin/inRoute" never do.

          As far as shaping points, they exist to force a route on a certain path. That can mean forcing a turn or keeping you on a straight path. Sometimes I have to place one or more shaping points on a straight road to keep the route calculation algorithm from re-routing me. Receiving notifications would be distracting and possibly confusing.

          On the other hand, Via point notifications are for planned stopping places. I want to be notified for any upcoming hard stops. Garmin has been doing this forever -- they get the distinction. If you have a practical reason for wanting shaping points announced, I'd like to hear.

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          • John S Parryundefined John S Parry

            @Con-Hennekens Sorry, I made a typo. I meant to say "Garmin/inRoute" never do.

            As far as shaping points, they exist to force a route on a certain path. That can mean forcing a turn or keeping you on a straight path. Sometimes I have to place one or more shaping points on a straight road to keep the route calculation algorithm from re-routing me. Receiving notifications would be distracting and possibly confusing.

            On the other hand, Via point notifications are for planned stopping places. I want to be notified for any upcoming hard stops. Garmin has been doing this forever -- they get the distinction. If you have a practical reason for wanting shaping points announced, I'd like to hear.

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            @John-S-Parry said in Strange Turn-By-Turn Behavior:

            f you have a practical reason for wanting shaping points announced, I'd like to hear.

            Well, I use shaping points with notes(purposely written with the intend to be announced) to point out possible road hazards, info regarding upcoming waypoints/situations, possible roadworks etc etc etc. I do not want them to be via points, since these must be able to be automatically skipped. Many reasons to have shaping points announced 🙂 !

            See my example below to announce the upcoming awesome hairpins 😄
            72390fc3-d90b-4c25-b619-5d2711b0d9fa-image.png

            Manks bu'j te bange.

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            • John S Parryundefined John S Parry

              @Con-Hennekens Sorry, I made a typo. I meant to say "Garmin/inRoute" never do.

              As far as shaping points, they exist to force a route on a certain path. That can mean forcing a turn or keeping you on a straight path. Sometimes I have to place one or more shaping points on a straight road to keep the route calculation algorithm from re-routing me. Receiving notifications would be distracting and possibly confusing.

              On the other hand, Via point notifications are for planned stopping places. I want to be notified for any upcoming hard stops. Garmin has been doing this forever -- they get the distinction. If you have a practical reason for wanting shaping points announced, I'd like to hear.

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              @John-S-Parry said in Strange Turn-By-Turn Behavior:

              Receiving notifications would be distracting and possibly confusing.

              Announcing shaping points ONLY happens when you want that (by changing name or adding notes). So they don't interfere with your route, nor do they lead to confusion. It's in how you use them. I often place a shaping point at interesting locations, indicating the name of a lake, museum, mountain pass or "if you want coffee, turn left, else follow the route". That does not mean I don't want to auto-skip them in case of a deviation. It's (almost) perfect the way it currently is... 😉

              I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

              Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

              Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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              • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                @John-S-Parry said in Strange Turn-By-Turn Behavior:

                Receiving notifications would be distracting and possibly confusing.

                Announcing shaping points ONLY happens when you want that (by changing name or adding notes). So they don't interfere with your route, nor do they lead to confusion. It's in how you use them. I often place a shaping point at interesting locations, indicating the name of a lake, museum, mountain pass or "if you want coffee, turn left, else follow the route". That does not mean I don't want to auto-skip them in case of a deviation. It's (almost) perfect the way it currently is... 😉

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                @Con-Hennekens said in Strange Turn-By-Turn Behavior:

                Announcing shaping points ONLY happens when you want that

                Just to add to this one: in order for the shaping point to be announced even if you've purposely changed the note or the name of the waypoint, one shall have the announcement of waypoints set to "All" in the settings. Otherwise shaping points will never be announced, even when one deliberately modified the waypoint to accommodate that.

                Manks bu'j te bange.

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                • Stefan Hummelinkundefined Stefan Hummelink

                  @John-S-Parry said in Strange Turn-By-Turn Behavior:

                  f you have a practical reason for wanting shaping points announced, I'd like to hear.

                  Well, I use shaping points with notes(purposely written with the intend to be announced) to point out possible road hazards, info regarding upcoming waypoints/situations, possible roadworks etc etc etc. I do not want them to be via points, since these must be able to be automatically skipped. Many reasons to have shaping points announced 🙂 !

                  See my example below to announce the upcoming awesome hairpins 😄
                  72390fc3-d90b-4c25-b619-5d2711b0d9fa-image.png

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                  @Stefan-Hummelink Interesting take. I had never considered an announcing shaping point to be used in this way. For dynamic up-to-date road conditions (hazzards, accidents, full closures, partial clousres etc.), I always check our local road maintenance map before starting out on a route:

                  Screenshot (119).png

                  It's real-time, which enhances navigation value. I keep a mental note of areas with potential issues. Your methodology makes sense, but it's not a feature I'd personally use. Still, I get it. Thanks for providing an example.

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                  • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                    @John-S-Parry said in Strange Turn-By-Turn Behavior:

                    Receiving notifications would be distracting and possibly confusing.

                    Announcing shaping points ONLY happens when you want that (by changing name or adding notes). So they don't interfere with your route, nor do they lead to confusion. It's in how you use them. I often place a shaping point at interesting locations, indicating the name of a lake, museum, mountain pass or "if you want coffee, turn left, else follow the route". That does not mean I don't want to auto-skip them in case of a deviation. It's (almost) perfect the way it currently is... 😉

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                    @Con-Hennekens Thanks for your explanation. I see how the feature can be useful. I'm curious how this would be captured in a GPX and presented in a Garmin Zumo XT. I suspect it would come across as a normal shaping point. I'll try it and see....

                    I don't want to come across as being overly critical of MRA. Overall, I really like the web interface for creating routes, and the phone app for navigation is growing on me.

                    I come from the Basecamp/Garmin world, and that's my frame of reference for looking at alternatives. Living in a hot summer climate, I can't use a phone for navigation all year round. For longer trips in 100+ degree temps hours at a time, I need a standalone GPS designed for the abuse of outside extremes. So, I need to understand completely the differences between the 2 platforms. I appreciate all the input.

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                    • John S Parryundefined John S Parry

                      @Con-Hennekens Thanks for your explanation. I see how the feature can be useful. I'm curious how this would be captured in a GPX and presented in a Garmin Zumo XT. I suspect it would come across as a normal shaping point. I'll try it and see....

                      I don't want to come across as being overly critical of MRA. Overall, I really like the web interface for creating routes, and the phone app for navigation is growing on me.

                      I come from the Basecamp/Garmin world, and that's my frame of reference for looking at alternatives. Living in a hot summer climate, I can't use a phone for navigation all year round. For longer trips in 100+ degree temps hours at a time, I need a standalone GPS designed for the abuse of outside extremes. So, I need to understand completely the differences between the 2 platforms. I appreciate all the input.

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                      @John-S-Parry, no sweat. Me too learned that lots of people do not share my view, due to my view being limited to my own use case and methods. Nowadays I often ask explicitly to other people's methods, and discover that a lot of suggestions are actually very worthwhile if you look from their perspective. One never stops learning 😉

                      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                      Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                      Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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