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  • big-vernundefined Offline
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    big-vern
    wrote on last edited by big-vern
    #6

    Thanks all
    I'm going to switch from my IOS totmtom go app and try MRA NEXT App on same phone but have an issue;

    Please correct any misunderstandings as I prep a route I already had planned for use with tomtom go for use with MRA NEXT

    My workflow

    I made a copy of the route in MRA and switched the map in MRA from tomtom to HERE, I zoomed in and corrected a couple of deviations from the original route. I was then happy with the route as it appeared in the mra HERE map.
    I expanded the route to include 50 waypoints (Unsure as to how many to use?)
    On expansion of the waypoints it added an extra 5 miles, unsure why it might do this? -

    https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/8813607?mode=share
    here is the ride expanded, issue is waypoint 28-29 , before expansion the route just followed a83-b828, no it goes a83-b828, then left hand turn onto unknown road and the long way around back up to waypoint 29

    when expanding (by the correct amount of) waypoints do you then have to zoom in and check each one carefully or...trust MRA

    pre expansionPicture3.jpg

    post adding waypoints via the toolkitPicture4.jpg

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    • big-vernundefined big-vern

      Thanks all
      I'm going to switch from my IOS totmtom go app and try MRA NEXT App on same phone but have an issue;

      Please correct any misunderstandings as I prep a route I already had planned for use with tomtom go for use with MRA NEXT

      My workflow

      I made a copy of the route in MRA and switched the map in MRA from tomtom to HERE, I zoomed in and corrected a couple of deviations from the original route. I was then happy with the route as it appeared in the mra HERE map.
      I expanded the route to include 50 waypoints (Unsure as to how many to use?)
      On expansion of the waypoints it added an extra 5 miles, unsure why it might do this? -

      https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/8813607?mode=share
      here is the ride expanded, issue is waypoint 28-29 , before expansion the route just followed a83-b828, no it goes a83-b828, then left hand turn onto unknown road and the long way around back up to waypoint 29

      when expanding (by the correct amount of) waypoints do you then have to zoom in and check each one carefully or...trust MRA

      pre expansionPicture3.jpg

      post adding waypoints via the toolkitPicture4.jpg

      RetiredWingManundefined Offline
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      RetiredWingMan
      wrote on last edited by
      #7

      @Grahame-Lancaster very strange. Both Openstreetmaps and Tomtom use that section of road without any problems but HERE refuses to route over it. I can't see why. Perhaps it's gravel or some other restriction.

      2010 GL1800 Goldwing using Samsung Galaxy S20 5G Android 13.

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      • big-vernundefined big-vern

        Thanks all
        I'm going to switch from my IOS totmtom go app and try MRA NEXT App on same phone but have an issue;

        Please correct any misunderstandings as I prep a route I already had planned for use with tomtom go for use with MRA NEXT

        My workflow

        I made a copy of the route in MRA and switched the map in MRA from tomtom to HERE, I zoomed in and corrected a couple of deviations from the original route. I was then happy with the route as it appeared in the mra HERE map.
        I expanded the route to include 50 waypoints (Unsure as to how many to use?)
        On expansion of the waypoints it added an extra 5 miles, unsure why it might do this? -

        https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/8813607?mode=share
        here is the ride expanded, issue is waypoint 28-29 , before expansion the route just followed a83-b828, no it goes a83-b828, then left hand turn onto unknown road and the long way around back up to waypoint 29

        when expanding (by the correct amount of) waypoints do you then have to zoom in and check each one carefully or...trust MRA

        pre expansionPicture3.jpg

        post adding waypoints via the toolkitPicture4.jpg

        Jack van Tilburgundefined Offline
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        Jack van Tilburg
        wrote on last edited by
        #8

        @Grahame-Lancaster
        I can. not find the reason. But Disabling seasonal closures works.

        Scherm­afbeelding 2024-03-22 om 17.36.04.png

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        • Jack van Tilburgundefined Jack van Tilburg

          @Grahame-Lancaster
          I can. not find the reason. But Disabling seasonal closures works.

          Scherm­afbeelding 2024-03-22 om 17.36.04.png

          RetiredWingManundefined Offline
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          RetiredWingMan
          wrote on last edited by
          #9

          @Jack-van-Tilburg it would be helpful if there was someway to display seasonal closure information...

          2010 GL1800 Goldwing using Samsung Galaxy S20 5G Android 13.

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            big-vern
            wrote on last edited by
            #10

            thanks all and for solving @Jack-van-Tilburg , sods law for the test I had a road like that, at least it wasn't something I was doing.
            say for a route like that how many way points might you say is a good number.
            any other tips ?

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            • RetiredWingManundefined RetiredWingMan

              @Jack-van-Tilburg it would be helpful if there was someway to display seasonal closure information...

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              Jack van Tilburg
              wrote on last edited by
              #11

              @RetiredWingMan
              I looked at that location with Street View and I see no indication that a closure may apply there. I cannot rule out that it is an error in the Here map.

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              • big-vernundefined big-vern

                thanks all and for solving @Jack-van-Tilburg , sods law for the test I had a road like that, at least it wasn't something I was doing.
                say for a route like that how many way points might you say is a good number.
                any other tips ?

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                Jack van Tilburg
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                #12

                @Grahame-Lancaster said in Which Navigation App for IOS - tomtom go Vs myroute app:

                how many way points might you say is a good number

                I always say; as little as possible but as much as necessary. Then think of locations that you absolutely want to pass and locations where it is possible that the navi can take a different route than you wish.

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                • big-vernundefined big-vern

                  thanks all and for solving @Jack-van-Tilburg , sods law for the test I had a road like that, at least it wasn't something I was doing.
                  say for a route like that how many way points might you say is a good number.
                  any other tips ?

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                  Jack van Tilburg
                  wrote on last edited by Jack van Tilburg
                  #13

                  @Grahame-Lancaster said in Which Navigation App for IOS - tomtom go Vs myroute app:

                  any other tips ?

                  Use the compare function in the Toolit and try to make sure the three routes follow your route. And then place your waypoints as close as possible to the locations where the three routes are close to each other.

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                  • big-vernundefined big-vern

                    Thanks all
                    I'm going to switch from my IOS totmtom go app and try MRA NEXT App on same phone but have an issue;

                    Please correct any misunderstandings as I prep a route I already had planned for use with tomtom go for use with MRA NEXT

                    My workflow

                    I made a copy of the route in MRA and switched the map in MRA from tomtom to HERE, I zoomed in and corrected a couple of deviations from the original route. I was then happy with the route as it appeared in the mra HERE map.
                    I expanded the route to include 50 waypoints (Unsure as to how many to use?)
                    On expansion of the waypoints it added an extra 5 miles, unsure why it might do this? -

                    https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/8813607?mode=share
                    here is the ride expanded, issue is waypoint 28-29 , before expansion the route just followed a83-b828, no it goes a83-b828, then left hand turn onto unknown road and the long way around back up to waypoint 29

                    when expanding (by the correct amount of) waypoints do you then have to zoom in and check each one carefully or...trust MRA

                    pre expansionPicture3.jpg

                    post adding waypoints via the toolkitPicture4.jpg

                    Nick Carthewundefined Online
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                    Nick Carthew
                    RouteXperts Instructor
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #14

                    @Grahame-Lancaster The Rest and be Thankful Pass had a landslide a while ago and has had some closed periods. Now it is open but with restrictions.

                    https://www.traffic.gov.scot/travel-news/campaigns/a83-rest-and-be-thankful

                    3183e064-4b21-487e-8090-4bfc79128af9-image.png

                    Always willing to help if I can.
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                    • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                      @Grahame-Lancaster The Rest and be Thankful Pass had a landslide a while ago and has had some closed periods. Now it is open but with restrictions.

                      https://www.traffic.gov.scot/travel-news/campaigns/a83-rest-and-be-thankful

                      3183e064-4b21-487e-8090-4bfc79128af9-image.png

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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #15

                      @Nick-Carthew Thanks Nick indeed.

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                      • big-vernundefined big-vern

                        Thanks all
                        I'm going to switch from my IOS totmtom go app and try MRA NEXT App on same phone but have an issue;

                        Please correct any misunderstandings as I prep a route I already had planned for use with tomtom go for use with MRA NEXT

                        My workflow

                        I made a copy of the route in MRA and switched the map in MRA from tomtom to HERE, I zoomed in and corrected a couple of deviations from the original route. I was then happy with the route as it appeared in the mra HERE map.
                        I expanded the route to include 50 waypoints (Unsure as to how many to use?)
                        On expansion of the waypoints it added an extra 5 miles, unsure why it might do this? -

                        https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/8813607?mode=share
                        here is the ride expanded, issue is waypoint 28-29 , before expansion the route just followed a83-b828, no it goes a83-b828, then left hand turn onto unknown road and the long way around back up to waypoint 29

                        when expanding (by the correct amount of) waypoints do you then have to zoom in and check each one carefully or...trust MRA

                        pre expansionPicture3.jpg

                        post adding waypoints via the toolkitPicture4.jpg

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                        Nick Carthew
                        RouteXperts Instructor
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #16

                        @Grahame-Lancaster Tip: You should check each route point after expanding a route. Zoom in all route points completely and make sure they are placed correctly. Move route points if they are too close to: roundabouts, road intersections, exit roads, roads with separated lanes, wrong side of the road or viaducts.

                        Here is RP19 from your route, one that has been added by the system. When possible, you should try to consider a 20m ring of uncertainty for each route point. This is to allow for errors in the mapping and a weak satellite signal while navigating. RP19 could be seen by the navigation device as being on a number of roads here.

                        69941ea6-5251-4274-b2d7-f912c55d5f18-image.png

                        Always willing to help if I can.
                        Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                        MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                        Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                        Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                        TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                        • big-vernundefined big-vern

                          Has anyone used both apps and has opinions on which is better.
                          I signed up to tomtom go then discovered MRA, then discovered MRA does navigations as well.

                          I do not have a tomtom device, just a iphone with the tomtom go on it

                          I have been planning my routes using the tomtom map in MRA website, which seems good. I like the fact tomtom app has some built in siri shortcuts (so I can clear the route etc. via my helmet mic)

                          I understand (just from a one liner in a vlog) that the MRA app uses the 'here' map - is that correct ?, is that better than the tomtom map

                          Just after some opinions/advice before I might switch, thanks

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                          #17

                          @Grahame-Lancaster I have a subscription for TomTom go and MRA Navigation Next. MRA is by far the superior product as there does not seem to be a way of importing a gpx file into TomTom Go without having access to a laptop. Even then you do not get any visible waypoints therefore not a viable option for tour planning. It does work quite well on Android Auto which is the only area where it is currently better than MRA however MRA Navigation Android Auto has improved tremendously of late.

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                          • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                            @Grahame-Lancaster Tip: You should check each route point after expanding a route. Zoom in all route points completely and make sure they are placed correctly. Move route points if they are too close to: roundabouts, road intersections, exit roads, roads with separated lanes, wrong side of the road or viaducts.

                            Here is RP19 from your route, one that has been added by the system. When possible, you should try to consider a 20m ring of uncertainty for each route point. This is to allow for errors in the mapping and a weak satellite signal while navigating. RP19 could be seen by the navigation device as being on a number of roads here.

                            69941ea6-5251-4274-b2d7-f912c55d5f18-image.png

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                            big-vern
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #18

                            @Nick-Carthew Thanks again Nick, valuable info for me at this point.

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                              A few years ago i spoke with some persons who really know things about navigation and there differences. This talk was about Garmin and TomTom.
                              Both brands have their advantages. But there was one thing these persons where very clear about. The TomTom maps are better. Not perse on the things we see on the map (types of roads, etc). But the information beneath the surface. The things we do not see. But which have an influence how the software reacts.

                              TomTom can, in comparison to Garmin, use more simply GPX files because their map is better. Garmin needs to put more info in the GPX files to overcome issues with the maps.

                              Garmin maps are based on Here maps. I don't know how MRA Next is affected by this.

                              Knowing this. Should you use TomTom Go instead of MRA Next. I don't know. That is your decision. But TomTom Go engine is already 10 years old and is proven very stable. MRA Next is pretty new and still need a decent amount of development to get this level of stabillty.

                              (I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)

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                              • big-vernundefined big-vern

                                Has anyone used both apps and has opinions on which is better.
                                I signed up to tomtom go then discovered MRA, then discovered MRA does navigations as well.

                                I do not have a tomtom device, just a iphone with the tomtom go on it

                                I have been planning my routes using the tomtom map in MRA website, which seems good. I like the fact tomtom app has some built in siri shortcuts (so I can clear the route etc. via my helmet mic)

                                I understand (just from a one liner in a vlog) that the MRA app uses the 'here' map - is that correct ?, is that better than the tomtom map

                                Just after some opinions/advice before I might switch, thanks

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                                @Grahame-Lancaster, What is of great interest for me personally is the integration between planner and navigation. The ease of not needing to pre-loud your routes, and the simplicity of an app with a generic settings and menu structure. Also personally, the map HERE map could look much better...

                                I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

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