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  • Paul Johnson 5undefined Paul Johnson 5

    @Drabslab
    Thanks for replying - let me know what you settle on!

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    @Paul-Johnson-5

    Con his advice is very reasonable. It gives a decent navigation system at a reasonable price. It depends on your boyish emotions whether you go for something bigger and expensive 🙂

    If you look for the cheapest solution then a Garmin or TomTom (500euro) is probably the way to go but these things slowly become outdated as their features are strictly limited to navigation.

    Another aspect is how you install that device to your motorcycle.

    RAM, for instance, has a whole range of mounting devices (not cheap) some including also a power supply, or you can go for a simple quadlock .

    and it is good to be able to protect your device from heat. Behind a curved windscreen the device can get so hot that that you can't touch it anymore. That is not healthy for the device. I solved that by putting a reflecting sticker on part of my windscreen.

    It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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    • Drabslabundefined Drabslab

      @Paul-Johnson-5

      Con his advice is very reasonable. It gives a decent navigation system at a reasonable price. It depends on your boyish emotions whether you go for something bigger and expensive 🙂

      If you look for the cheapest solution then a Garmin or TomTom (500euro) is probably the way to go but these things slowly become outdated as their features are strictly limited to navigation.

      Another aspect is how you install that device to your motorcycle.

      RAM, for instance, has a whole range of mounting devices (not cheap) some including also a power supply, or you can go for a simple quadlock .

      and it is good to be able to protect your device from heat. Behind a curved windscreen the device can get so hot that that you can't touch it anymore. That is not healthy for the device. I solved that by putting a reflecting sticker on part of my windscreen.

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      @Drabslab said in Some advice please.:

      ... or you can go for a simple quadlock .

      If it's on a motorbike, then don't forget to add the Quad Lock anti-vibration mount (for posh phones only - with physical image stabilisation).

      With most phones being waterproof, plus an anti-vibe mount, you don't need a 'rugged' device. Just don't throw it on the floor (bike or phone). 😰

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        I was in the same predicament a few months back. I eventually chose to go with a device sold by Thork Racing, a T665, basically a rugged flexible Navigation device, which looks like a phone and can be used as a phone. There's loads of rugged androids out there, but I found there was always a compromise, mainly lack of NITS (brightness), charging and mounting. I'm very pleased with the T665 so far, very solid device and the magnetic/clip/charging mount is excellent. I also added a button controller enabling map panning, zoom in/out, which works a bit different depending on which app you're using, but a very practical feature.

        I plan all my routes in MRA and export to a navigation app I wish to use (the real advantage of an Android Platform). A key point is that I tend to follow tracks using this method, which doesn't suit some riders.

        Typically the nav apps I use is BMW Connected, DMD2 (I'm still trialling and really like the UI and functionality; so far so good) and really trying hard to like MRA Navigation. Perhaps it's my eyes, but I do struggle with the blues and lack of other colours which is found in other apps. However, you use the latter the interface between planning and navigation is seamless. There's some excellent training YouTube vids by Serge and Corjan

        Good luck with your decision

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        • Drabslabundefined Drabslab

          @Paul-Johnson-5

          Con his advice is very reasonable. It gives a decent navigation system at a reasonable price. It depends on your boyish emotions whether you go for something bigger and expensive 🙂

          If you look for the cheapest solution then a Garmin or TomTom (500euro) is probably the way to go but these things slowly become outdated as their features are strictly limited to navigation.

          Another aspect is how you install that device to your motorcycle.

          RAM, for instance, has a whole range of mounting devices (not cheap) some including also a power supply, or you can go for a simple quadlock .

          and it is good to be able to protect your device from heat. Behind a curved windscreen the device can get so hot that that you can't touch it anymore. That is not healthy for the device. I solved that by putting a reflecting sticker on part of my windscreen.

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          @Drabslab said in Some advice please.:

          If you look for the cheapest solution then a Garmin or TomTom (500euro) is probably the way to go but these things slowly become outdated as their features are strictly limited to navigation.

          That's abou exactly what I DON'T think 😉 A decent Zumo is about €600, while a simple but good rugged phone can be had for less than half that, including a decent mount and an USB charger for it. On the other hand I think a Zumo is much less quickly outdated compared to an Android phone. Many people are still using Zumo 660 of almost 15 years old. I don't see that happening for any Android device 😉

          @richtea999 said in Some advice please.:

          If it's on a motorbike, then don't forget to add the Quad Lock anti-vibration mount

          I don't think that that is of any concern when you get a cheap rugged phone for your navigation needs only.

          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

          Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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          • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

            @Drabslab said in Some advice please.:

            If you look for the cheapest solution then a Garmin or TomTom (500euro) is probably the way to go but these things slowly become outdated as their features are strictly limited to navigation.

            That's abou exactly what I DON'T think 😉 A decent Zumo is about €600, while a simple but good rugged phone can be had for less than half that, including a decent mount and an USB charger for it. On the other hand I think a Zumo is much less quickly outdated compared to an Android phone. Many people are still using Zumo 660 of almost 15 years old. I don't see that happening for any Android device 😉

            @richtea999 said in Some advice please.:

            If it's on a motorbike, then don't forget to add the Quad Lock anti-vibration mount

            I don't think that that is of any concern when you get a cheap rugged phone for your navigation needs only.

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            @Con-Hennekens said in Some advice please.:

            @richtea999 said in Some advice please.:

            If it's on a motorbike, then don't forget to add the Quad Lock anti-vibration mount

            I don't think that that is of any concern when you get a cheap rugged phone for your navigation needs only.

            Quite true - only needed if you're using your best phone!

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            • Peter Greenacresundefined Peter Greenacres

              I was in the same predicament a few months back. I eventually chose to go with a device sold by Thork Racing, a T665, basically a rugged flexible Navigation device, which looks like a phone and can be used as a phone. There's loads of rugged androids out there, but I found there was always a compromise, mainly lack of NITS (brightness), charging and mounting. I'm very pleased with the T665 so far, very solid device and the magnetic/clip/charging mount is excellent. I also added a button controller enabling map panning, zoom in/out, which works a bit different depending on which app you're using, but a very practical feature.

              I plan all my routes in MRA and export to a navigation app I wish to use (the real advantage of an Android Platform). A key point is that I tend to follow tracks using this method, which doesn't suit some riders.

              Typically the nav apps I use is BMW Connected, DMD2 (I'm still trialling and really like the UI and functionality; so far so good) and really trying hard to like MRA Navigation. Perhaps it's my eyes, but I do struggle with the blues and lack of other colours which is found in other apps. However, you use the latter the interface between planning and navigation is seamless. There's some excellent training YouTube vids by Serge and Corjan

              Good luck with your decision

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              @Peter-Cheung Thanks for your advice!

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                @Con-Hennekens said in Some advice please.:

                That's about exactly what I DON'T think

                The official price for a tomtom rider 550 is about 500 euro includign mounting set.

                one alternative:

                • MRA navigation: 70 euro
                • a phone: samsung xcover 6: 400 euro
                • a ram mount with power supply: 120 euro

                and if you look at the nomads, carpe iter... offerings then it is a lot more expensive.

                but of course, price is not the only criterion; and for me, what I can do with the device when not riding is as important as what I can do while riding.

                When travelling now, I have a GPS, a smartphone and a tablet with me, of course all with different chargers.

                And besides, it is just fun comparing all the options as well.

                It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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                • Drabslabundefined Drabslab

                  @Con-Hennekens said in Some advice please.:

                  That's about exactly what I DON'T think

                  The official price for a tomtom rider 550 is about 500 euro includign mounting set.

                  one alternative:

                  • MRA navigation: 70 euro
                  • a phone: samsung xcover 6: 400 euro
                  • a ram mount with power supply: 120 euro

                  and if you look at the nomads, carpe iter... offerings then it is a lot more expensive.

                  but of course, price is not the only criterion; and for me, what I can do with the device when not riding is as important as what I can do while riding.

                  When travelling now, I have a GPS, a smartphone and a tablet with me, of course all with different chargers.

                  And besides, it is just fun comparing all the options as well.

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                  @Drabslab said in Some advice please.:

                  And besides, it is just fun comparing all the options as well.

                  It is, isn't it? 😉

                  • Motorola Edge 40: 320 euro
                  • Shock absorbing TPU case: 15 euro
                  • Optiline adapter: 15 euro
                  • Optiline Opti-combo houder: 35 euro

                  De Edge 40 is ook een mooi mid-end toestel voor dagelijks gebruik.
                  Pak je gewoon een 2e hoesje erbij. Kun je wisselen als je hem op je fiets plakt.

                  I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                  Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                  Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                  • Paul Johnson 5undefined Paul Johnson 5

                    I was about to pull the trigger on a Zumo XT2 but various reviews mention how flaky it is.

                    I'm looking for either a dedicated SatNav unit or maybe a rugged Android running apps and I want it to reliably follow a route designed in MRA with as little hassle as possible.

                    Any thoughts?

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                    #16

                    @Paul-Johnson-5

                    I'm all in on using my Android Phone for MRA Navigation but I do also have an XT2.
                    Samsung S21+, I have no issues with the power drain but I never use Voice Prompts for MRA Navigation.
                    I use the XT2 as a backup to the phone and have all the routes in my MRA Downloads folder also available on my XT2.

                    I read somewhere that the early XT2's had issues.
                    I held off of until the forums starting indicating stability on the XT2.

                    My experience is flawless with the XT2.

                    You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                    • Paul Johnson 5undefined Paul Johnson 5

                      I was about to pull the trigger on a Zumo XT2 but various reviews mention how flaky it is.

                      I'm looking for either a dedicated SatNav unit or maybe a rugged Android running apps and I want it to reliably follow a route designed in MRA with as little hassle as possible.

                      Any thoughts?

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                      @Paul-Johnson-5 Get a Carpuride W502 or W702 available on amazon.
                      Doesn't work very well on android auto at the moment, but that should be fixed with an update supposedly this week. Works great on apple car play.

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                        I tried several solutions based on smartphones, but I ended up buying a tomtom rider 550 and currently I plan the routes in MRA planner and send them directly to the tomtom application (web based) which then synchronizes with the GPS. The problems I encountered with smartphones were the brightness being too low on intensely sunny days and the smart phone heating up during navigation, which caused the smartphone to have a darker screen and sometimes turn itself off. I used iPhone, Samsung, other more rugged brands, but the problem remained with brightness and heating.

                        "So many roads, so little time"

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                        • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                          @Drabslab said in Some advice please.:

                          If you look for the cheapest solution then a Garmin or TomTom (500euro) is probably the way to go but these things slowly become outdated as their features are strictly limited to navigation.

                          That's abou exactly what I DON'T think 😉 A decent Zumo is about €600, while a simple but good rugged phone can be had for less than half that, including a decent mount and an USB charger for it. On the other hand I think a Zumo is much less quickly outdated compared to an Android phone. Many people are still using Zumo 660 of almost 15 years old. I don't see that happening for any Android device 😉

                          @richtea999 said in Some advice please.:

                          If it's on a motorbike, then don't forget to add the Quad Lock anti-vibration mount

                          I don't think that that is of any concern when you get a cheap rugged phone for your navigation needs only.

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                          @Con-Hennekens said in Some advice please.:

                          Many people are still using Zumo 660 of almost 15 years old. I don't see that happening for any Android device 😉

                          You're right. But it depends on your demands.
                          Yes, it still works but does it still gets mapupdates?
                          I does not support traffic info.
                          It is very slow compared to a phone.
                          MRA Next does have features a Zumo 660 does not have. Even the new XT2 does not have these features.
                          In my opnion a phone does give less bluetooth trouble than a dedicated GPS .

                          A phone does not hold up for 15 year. But how often do you buy a new phone? What do you do with your old phone?
                          The old phone is in many cases still perfect for use as a navphone on your motorcycle.

                          (I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)

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                          • M. Schrijverundefined M. Schrijver

                            @Con-Hennekens said in Some advice please.:

                            Many people are still using Zumo 660 of almost 15 years old. I don't see that happening for any Android device 😉

                            You're right. But it depends on your demands.
                            Yes, it still works but does it still gets mapupdates?
                            I does not support traffic info.
                            It is very slow compared to a phone.
                            MRA Next does have features a Zumo 660 does not have. Even the new XT2 does not have these features.
                            In my opnion a phone does give less bluetooth trouble than a dedicated GPS .

                            A phone does not hold up for 15 year. But how often do you buy a new phone? What do you do with your old phone?
                            The old phone is in many cases still perfect for use as a navphone on your motorcycle.

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                            @M-Schrijver, I agree with everyting. I was just noting one of the few advantages of a single-use dedicated GPS device 😉

                            I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                            Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                            Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                            • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                              @M-Schrijver, I agree with everyting. I was just noting one of the few advantages of a single-use dedicated GPS device 😉

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                              @Con-Hennekens Zijn er gebruikers die ervaringen hebben met één of meer van de volgende spullen. 5 of 7 inch schermen waarop zowel Carplay als Andoid auto en meer apps afgespeeld kunnen worden?
                              • MAXCA C5 Pro Motorcycle Navigation Unit ( € 140) –
                              • Ottocast lite C5 (260 USD)
                              • Carpuride W702 IP6 € 250
                              • Elebest Moeras navi C 750 € 210
                              • BergGPS 5-inch Motornavigatie met Apple Carplay & Android Auto € 199,99

                              Ik realiseer mij dat deze spullen in China geproduceerd worden (maar wat niet) en de kwaliteit niet altijd ok is. je (dure) iphone kan dan in je koffer/tanktas blijven zitten.

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                              • Theo Lammertsundefined Theo Lammerts

                                @Con-Hennekens Zijn er gebruikers die ervaringen hebben met één of meer van de volgende spullen. 5 of 7 inch schermen waarop zowel Carplay als Andoid auto en meer apps afgespeeld kunnen worden?
                                • MAXCA C5 Pro Motorcycle Navigation Unit ( € 140) –
                                • Ottocast lite C5 (260 USD)
                                • Carpuride W702 IP6 € 250
                                • Elebest Moeras navi C 750 € 210
                                • BergGPS 5-inch Motornavigatie met Apple Carplay & Android Auto € 199,99

                                Ik realiseer mij dat deze spullen in China geproduceerd worden (maar wat niet) en de kwaliteit niet altijd ok is. je (dure) iphone kan dan in je koffer/tanktas blijven zitten.

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                                @Theo-Lammerts, ja die zijn er, maar daar ben ik er niet een van 😉
                                Hier in het forum zitten vele gebruikers van zowel de carpuride als de Elebest, en volgens mij zijn die allemaal enthousiast over hun apparaat. Of dat specifiek om die toestellen gaat weet ik niet, want daar ben ik niet erg in thuis. Voor mij persoonlijk gaat er niks boven een native rugged android toestel die de app rechtstreeks draait zonder extra complexe tussenlaag. Dan kan je dure telefoon óók in jas/tanktas blijven zitten, en loopt die ook niet leeg.

                                I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                                Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                                • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                                  @Theo-Lammerts, ja die zijn er, maar daar ben ik er niet een van 😉
                                  Hier in het forum zitten vele gebruikers van zowel de carpuride als de Elebest, en volgens mij zijn die allemaal enthousiast over hun apparaat. Of dat specifiek om die toestellen gaat weet ik niet, want daar ben ik niet erg in thuis. Voor mij persoonlijk gaat er niks boven een native rugged android toestel die de app rechtstreeks draait zonder extra complexe tussenlaag. Dan kan je dure telefoon óók in jas/tanktas blijven zitten, en loopt die ook niet leeg.

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                                  @Con-Hennekens Dank Cor, dat mijn vraag even op de juiste plek hebt gezet.

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                                    hi @Paul-Johnson-5

                                    i recently sold my XT. and now only use a rugged tablet
                                    which cost £100 new, been using it for about 6-9 months now, it's an Oukitel RT3 and i have nothing running on the tablet save for the MRA next and a web browser to plan routes when away from home.

                                    i do not have a sim card fitted, if i need internet access away from home/hotel etc i use my phone as hotspot and this seems to work, and only use offline maps and offline navigation. this works perfectly well for me.

                                    i had to fashion a holder, which is attached to the original NAV 6 12mm bar, but it's secure and can be locked in place, a similar length of metal runs across the top and locks with a key on the back, powered from the usb socket next to the clocks.

                                    battery lasts many hours if not plugged in, i would even say all day. screen brightness has no issues.

                                    IMG_0773.jpeg

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                                      hi @Paul-Johnson-5

                                      i recently sold my XT. and now only use a rugged tablet
                                      which cost £100 new, been using it for about 6-9 months now, it's an Oukitel RT3 and i have nothing running on the tablet save for the MRA next and a web browser to plan routes when away from home.

                                      i do not have a sim card fitted, if i need internet access away from home/hotel etc i use my phone as hotspot and this seems to work, and only use offline maps and offline navigation. this works perfectly well for me.

                                      i had to fashion a holder, which is attached to the original NAV 6 12mm bar, but it's secure and can be locked in place, a similar length of metal runs across the top and locks with a key on the back, powered from the usb socket next to the clocks.

                                      battery lasts many hours if not plugged in, i would even say all day. screen brightness has no issues.

                                      IMG_0773.jpeg

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                                      @paul69 I am also a happy RT3 user, since April last year.

                                      Just for interest, can you make some more pictures of your holder?

                                      Thanks

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                                        @paul69 I am also a happy RT3 user, since April last year.

                                        Just for interest, can you make some more pictures of your holder?

                                        Thanks

                                        IMG_3834-2.JPG

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                                        hi @Jörgen
                                        i actually bought the RT3 after reading your thoughts on it, and yes i will take some photos tomorrow,
                                        please don't laugh at my rubbish welding 🤣🤣✌️

                                        to achieve, we must first attempt ✌️
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                                        Oukitel RT3
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                                        • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                                          @paul69 I am also a happy RT3 user, since April last year.

                                          Just for interest, can you make some more pictures of your holder?

                                          Thanks

                                          IMG_3834-2.JPG

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                                          @Jörgen how do find the brightness of the RT3 in sunlight? The spec I saw only rated it at 400 while some other devices are as high as 1000. Thanks

                                          2010 GL1800 Goldwing using Samsung Galaxy S20 5G Android 13.

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