Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?
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@Drabslab, they do plan to stick to the roadmap, but sometimes plans change
If they had stuck to the roadmap, we would still not have track navigation for example. Part of the roadmap is constant refining things according to the input from the betatesters. We would not have such a great app if they would only stick to the roadmap. I for one am very glad they don't stick frantically to the roadmap.@Con-Hennekens said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
they do plan to stick to the roadmap, but sometimes plans change
So they don't stick to the roadmap
If plans change (and they always do) then the first thing to do is update the roadmap so you never deviate from it.
Anything else is amateuristic ...
but I have to be careful.
Michel last year challenged me to a cage fight for criticising MRA and he looks a quite strong guy (and recent pictures of Corjan make me scared as well
and the most important thing: they seem to be making great software, don't they?
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@Corjan-Meijerink Thank you very much.
Suggestion. You should consider creating a swap file compatible with all the options offered by MRA. I am passionate about MRA. The scheduler has a versatility and simplicity that borders on perfection. The only thing missing is that small detail that allows us to make individualized backups for each user with all the potential that MRA offers. I have suffered many problems due to data loss. And I always say that there will never be enough backups of information. I know programming students who make a hobby out of crashing servers. Recently Spain suffered a very serious computer attack with the theft of countless data of the population. The world is not perfect, and all measures will be insufficient to guarantee information.
@Maicro said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
You should consider creating a swap file compatible with all the options offered by MRA.
I don't know.
Such swapfile:
- would only have value within the MRA system as it would require software fully compatible with MRA to be able to read it?
- would be an excellent source of info for "the competition", and we need MRA to stay healthy and prosperous.
I would already be vry happy with a mass download in gpx format which is an open standard that, when all goes wrong, can be read by many programs.
It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby
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You can save your routes as GPX 1.1 (route,track,POI)
GPX 1.1 is the standard exchange format.But at the same time it makes me curious how many people use a backup of their routes.
I don’t@Jack-van-Tilburg said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
You can save your routes as GPX 1.1 (route,track,POI)
GPX 1.1 is the standard exchange format.But at the same time it makes me curious how many people use a backup of their routes.
I don’tHello.
Thank you. I save them in GPX format, version 1.0 -for compatibility with old Garmin-, and in ITN format -for being the TomTom format-.
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@Maicro said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
You should consider creating a swap file compatible with all the options offered by MRA.
I don't know.
Such swapfile:
- would only have value within the MRA system as it would require software fully compatible with MRA to be able to read it?
- would be an excellent source of info for "the competition", and we need MRA to stay healthy and prosperous.
I would already be vry happy with a mass download in gpx format which is an open standard that, when all goes wrong, can be read by many programs.
@Drabslab said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
@Maicro said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
You should consider creating a swap file compatible with all the options offered by MRA.
I don't know.
Such swapfile:
- would only have value within the MRA system as it would require software fully compatible with MRA to be able to read it?
- would be an excellent source of info for "the competition", and we need MRA to stay healthy and prosperous.
I would already be vry happy with a mass download in gpx format which is an open standard that, when all goes wrong, can be read by many programs.
ITN are simply the geographic coordinates of the waypoints.
GPS are XML tags that define the waypoints, the route, the track. And, of all these points, their characteristics, such as name, color, icon,... And even complementary information such as geographic altitude, ambient temperature or heart rate.
All of them in ASCII text perfectly understandable with a simple notepad. And neither TomTom nor Garmin have gone bankrupt because of it.
I do not think that a simple format of labels, which could read MRA - we are only talking about name, description, color and set waypoint icon - could pose a danger.
I am even convinced that altruistic programmers would quickly create GPX, ITN or KML converters so that MRA could import these routes. Can anyone imagine what could be done to seamlessly transfer routes from Wikiloc to MRA?
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@Maicro said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
Can anyone imagine what could be done to seamlessly transfer routes from Wikiloc to MRA?
just download them from wikiloc (in gpx format) and upload them to MRA routeplanner.
Or do i understand you wrongly?
@Maicro said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
GPS are XML tags that define the waypoints,
I guess you mean GPX?
And yes, we all know that but the GPX standard has not changed since 2004 while companies like e.g. MRA may want to include data that is not in that standard. I know this can be done with XML extensions.
By default, such extensions are not part of the GPX standard and may therefore be unreadable (or then tags will be simply ignored) by other software but the one that created those extensions.
It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby
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@Maicro said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
Can anyone imagine what could be done to seamlessly transfer routes from Wikiloc to MRA?
just download them from wikiloc (in gpx format) and upload them to MRA routeplanner.
Or do i understand you wrongly?
@Maicro said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
GPS are XML tags that define the waypoints,
I guess you mean GPX?
And yes, we all know that but the GPX standard has not changed since 2004 while companies like e.g. MRA may want to include data that is not in that standard. I know this can be done with XML extensions.
By default, such extensions are not part of the GPX standard and may therefore be unreadable (or then tags will be simply ignored) by other software but the one that created those extensions.
@Drabslab said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
just download them from wikiloc (in gpx format) and upload them to MRA routeplanner.
Or do i understand you wrongly?I am sorry. I speak English very poorly. I meant to imply a rhetorical question. An unanswered question. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank you very much for your interest. What I wanted to imply is the advantage for users to have a MRA file system that allows us to exchange routes by file exchange.
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@Maicro said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
Can anyone imagine what could be done to seamlessly transfer routes from Wikiloc to MRA?
just download them from wikiloc (in gpx format) and upload them to MRA routeplanner.
Or do i understand you wrongly?
@Maicro said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
GPS are XML tags that define the waypoints,
I guess you mean GPX?
And yes, we all know that but the GPX standard has not changed since 2004 while companies like e.g. MRA may want to include data that is not in that standard. I know this can be done with XML extensions.
By default, such extensions are not part of the GPX standard and may therefore be unreadable (or then tags will be simply ignored) by other software but the one that created those extensions.
@Drabslab said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
I guess you mean GPX?
And yes, we all know that but the GPX standard has not changed since 2004 while companies like e.g. MRA may want to include data that is not in that standard. I know this can be done with XML extensions.
By default, such extensions are not part of the GPX standard and may therefore be unreadable (or then tags will be simply ignored) by other software but the one that created those extensions.Sorry again and thank you very much.
I wanted to give the following idea. If MRA allows to create a file -with readable ASCII code or not- to export and import routes, you could:
-Create a custom library locally to save routes.
-Can share routes, by email or messaging programs like WhatsApp or Telegram, directly.It is a proposal, nothing more.
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@Drabslab said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
I guess you mean GPX?
And yes, we all know that but the GPX standard has not changed since 2004 while companies like e.g. MRA may want to include data that is not in that standard. I know this can be done with XML extensions.
By default, such extensions are not part of the GPX standard and may therefore be unreadable (or then tags will be simply ignored) by other software but the one that created those extensions.Sorry again and thank you very much.
I wanted to give the following idea. If MRA allows to create a file -with readable ASCII code or not- to export and import routes, you could:
-Create a custom library locally to save routes.
-Can share routes, by email or messaging programs like WhatsApp or Telegram, directly.It is a proposal, nothing more.
@Maicro thanks for the proposal!
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Hi @Maicro I'm afraid everything you ask is not possible. All the characters and colors are typical MRA features.
The only thing you can do is to download the GPX route (1.1).
In that case you will have a copy of your route, track and POI's.But why are you afraid of losing data in MRA? I have been using MRA since 2016 and have never lost data.
You only lose data if you delete routes yourself.
MRA does not have backup servers available at this time (yet). So they cannot restore deleted data.I can understand Maicro's question.
Accidents or desasters do happen. Either of technical nature or others. Using something as a service makes one dependent on the provider of this service that they will not lose the data, and with the data all the work that has been put into it.
And one is dependent on the provider continuing the service. Webservices get discontinued more often then you might know. Even with the big players (Google etc) you are never certain.
So having a method the pull out all the data you have in a platform, is reassuring..
Regards,
Hans
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I can understand Maicro's question.
Accidents or desasters do happen. Either of technical nature or others. Using something as a service makes one dependent on the provider of this service that they will not lose the data, and with the data all the work that has been put into it.
And one is dependent on the provider continuing the service. Webservices get discontinued more often then you might know. Even with the big players (Google etc) you are never certain.
So having a method the pull out all the data you have in a platform, is reassuring..
Regards,
Hans
@Hans-Kremers, GPX is the most universal method of transferring routes from one to another program, and if it were me, for that purpose I would use route AND tracks, since only those reassure you of being able to rebuilt a route unchanged.
Explicitly for transferring routes, to other platforms, any closed source MRA specific file export would be senseless, because others can't import it. The only reassurance you get with that, is that you can reupload your routes completely intact to MRA, in case they lose your data. Also, with it you would be able to take old routes out of the platform to keep it plain and uncomplicated, while keeping the option to reupload them. And in itself that is a worthwhile idea.
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@Maicro thanks for the proposal!
@Corjan-Meijerink said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?: > thanks for the proposal!
My thanks goes to you. I enjoy planning routes and I enjoy navigating them. One of the few applications that satisfies all needs in a simple way because it is made by passionate people. congratulations!
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@Hans-Kremers said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?: > @Albert-van-den-Elsen > > I can understand Maicro's question. > > Accidents or disasters happen. Either technical in nature or other. When you use something as a service, you are dependent on the provider of that service not to lose the data, and with the data all the work you put into it. > > And you depend on the provider to continue the service. Web services are discontinued more often than you might know. Even with the big providers (Google, etc.) you can never be sure. > > So it is reassuring to have a method to pull out all the data you have on a platform. > > Greetings, > > Hans
Thanks a lot!
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@Drabslab said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
just download them from wikiloc (in gpx format) and upload them to MRA routeplanner.
Or do i understand you wrongly?I am sorry. I speak English very poorly. I meant to imply a rhetorical question. An unanswered question. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank you very much for your interest. What I wanted to imply is the advantage for users to have a MRA file system that allows us to exchange routes by file exchange.
@Maicro said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
@Drabslab said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
just download them from wikiloc (in gpx format) and upload them to MRA routeplanner.
Or do i understand you wrongly?I am sorry. I speak English very poorly. I meant to imply a rhetorical question. An unanswered question. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank you very much for your interest. What I wanted to imply is the advantage for users to have a MRA file system that allows us to exchange routes by file exchange.
I think your english is excellent. Butmisunderstandings do happen
It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby
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@Hans-Kremers said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?: > @Albert-van-den-Elsen > > I can understand Maicro's question. > > Accidents or disasters happen. Either technical in nature or other. When you use something as a service, you are dependent on the provider of that service not to lose the data, and with the data all the work you put into it. > > And you depend on the provider to continue the service. Web services are discontinued more often than you might know. Even with the big providers (Google, etc.) you can never be sure. > > So it is reassuring to have a method to pull out all the data you have on a platform. > > Greetings, > > Hans
Thanks a lot!
@Maicro said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
@Hans-Kremers said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?: > @Albert-van-den-Elsen > > I can understand Maicro's question. > > Accidents or disasters happen. Either technical in nature or other. When you use something as a service, you are dependent on the provider of that service not to lose the data, and with the data all the work you put into it. > > And you depend on the provider to continue the service. Web services are discontinued more often than you might know. Even with the big providers (Google, etc.) you can never be sure. > > So it is reassuring to have a method to pull out all the data you have on a platform. > > Greetings, > > Hans
Thanks a lot!
For instance, take photobucket as example.
It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby
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@Maicro said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
@Hans-Kremers said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?: > @Albert-van-den-Elsen > > I can understand Maicro's question. > > Accidents or disasters happen. Either technical in nature or other. When you use something as a service, you are dependent on the provider of that service not to lose the data, and with the data all the work you put into it. > > And you depend on the provider to continue the service. Web services are discontinued more often than you might know. Even with the big providers (Google, etc.) you can never be sure. > > So it is reassuring to have a method to pull out all the data you have on a platform. > > Greetings, > > Hans
Thanks a lot!
For instance, take photobucket as example.
@Drabslab said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
For instance, take photobucket as example.
Yes, but that fileformat does not help much in such a case, if it is a closed source one that cannot be imported anywhere else. The raw data (being the waypoints and a track) is already exportable.
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@Maicro said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
@Drabslab said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
just download them from wikiloc (in gpx format) and upload them to MRA routeplanner.
Or do i understand you wrongly?I am sorry. I speak English very poorly. I meant to imply a rhetorical question. An unanswered question. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank you very much for your interest. What I wanted to imply is the advantage for users to have a MRA file system that allows us to exchange routes by file exchange.
I think your english is excellent. Butmisunderstandings do happen
@Drabslab said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
@Maicro said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
@Drabslab said in Is there a file format that is fully compatible with MRA?:
just download them from wikiloc (in gpx format) and upload them to MRA routeplanner.
Or do i understand you wrongly?I am sorry. I speak English very poorly. I meant to imply a rhetorical question. An unanswered question. Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank you very much for your interest. What I wanted to imply is the advantage for users to have a MRA file system that allows us to exchange routes by file exchange.
I think your english is excellent. Butmisunderstandings do happen
My English is very poor. DeppL does a great job
