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  • Arjan de Vriesundefined Offline
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    Arjan de Vries
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    Hi,

    I have a gold membership. Make all my routes in MRA.
    I have a zumo XT.
    Do you check the route in basecamp?
    I ask this because I think that the here map in MRA is not the same as the (Up to date) map in the Zumo.

    Am I right?

    Thanks,

    Arjan

    Drabslabundefined Steve Lynchundefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined 4 Replies Last reply
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    • Arjan de Vriesundefined Arjan de Vries

      Hi,

      I have a gold membership. Make all my routes in MRA.
      I have a zumo XT.
      Do you check the route in basecamp?
      I ask this because I think that the here map in MRA is not the same as the (Up to date) map in the Zumo.

      Am I right?

      Thanks,

      Arjan

      Drabslabundefined Offline
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      Drabslab
      wrote on last edited by Drabslab
      #2

      @Arjan-de-Vries no, absolutely not. Mra routeplanner is much better than basecamp. ๐Ÿค—

      I gave not heard any complaints about the mra here map being outdated. I assume that mra works over a cloud connection to here and therefore always has the most recent versiob.

      It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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      • Drabslabundefined Drabslab

        @Arjan-de-Vries no, absolutely not. Mra routeplanner is much better than basecamp. ๐Ÿค—

        I gave not heard any complaints about the mra here map being outdated. I assume that mra works over a cloud connection to here and therefore always has the most recent versiob.

        Herko ter Horstundefined Offline
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        Herko ter Horst
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        #3

        @Drabslab said in Use of basecamp:

        @Arjan-de-Vries no, absolutely not. Mra routeplanner is much better than basecamp. ๐Ÿค—

        I gave not heard any complaints about the mra here map being outdated. I assume that mra works over a cloud connection to here and therefore always has the most recent versiob.

        Which means the map in Basecamp/on the Zumo is more likely to be "outdated", even if it's the most recent one available.

        So it could make sense to check if there are no differences with the map in Basecamp. However, you'll encounter "issues" even if the map matches 100%, for example due to temporary closures/road works/etc. I just tend to deal with those as I encounter them and I treat any differences due to map versions that are potentially still there in the same way as well.

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        • Arjan de Vriesundefined Arjan de Vries

          Hi,

          I have a gold membership. Make all my routes in MRA.
          I have a zumo XT.
          Do you check the route in basecamp?
          I ask this because I think that the here map in MRA is not the same as the (Up to date) map in the Zumo.

          Am I right?

          Thanks,

          Arjan

          Steve Lynchundefined Offline
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          Steve Lynch
          wrote on last edited by Steve Lynch
          #4

          @Arjan-de-Vries

          If you look at the very bottom of the right corner of the Here map you will see the following.
          Maybe someone from MRA can clarify?

          24-08-2022 10-59-16.png

          You donโ€™t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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          • Arjan de Vriesundefined Arjan de Vries

            Hi,

            I have a gold membership. Make all my routes in MRA.
            I have a zumo XT.
            Do you check the route in basecamp?
            I ask this because I think that the here map in MRA is not the same as the (Up to date) map in the Zumo.

            Am I right?

            Thanks,

            Arjan

            Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Offline
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            Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
            Instructor RouteXperts
            wrote on last edited by
            #5

            @Arjan-de-Vries
            Hi Arjan,

            it's true that the map in Basecamp is slightly different from the most recent Here map used in MRA.
            I also have an XT and make all my routes in MRA, and I no longer use Basecamp.

            Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
            Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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            • Steve Lynchundefined Steve Lynch

              @Arjan-de-Vries

              If you look at the very bottom of the right corner of the Here map you will see the following.
              Maybe someone from MRA can clarify?

              24-08-2022 10-59-16.png

              Herko ter Horstundefined Offline
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              Herko ter Horst
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              @Steve-Lynch While I'm not sure why the copyright message doesn't seem to be up-to-date, I'm certain the maps are (pretty much) up-to-date, at least judging by some of the roads close to where I live that have changed in the last 6 months.

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              • Herko ter Horstundefined Herko ter Horst

                @Steve-Lynch While I'm not sure why the copyright message doesn't seem to be up-to-date, I'm certain the maps are (pretty much) up-to-date, at least judging by some of the roads close to where I live that have changed in the last 6 months.

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                Steve Lynch
                wrote on last edited by
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                @Herko-ter-Horst

                My son lives in the vacinity of Fern Grove.
                Take a look at the differences between the Here and OSM Maps below.

                Here Map
                24-08-2022 11-12-45.png

                OSM
                24-08-2022 11-13-36.png

                You donโ€™t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                • Herko ter Horstundefined Offline
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                  Herko ter Horst
                  wrote on last edited by Herko ter Horst
                  #8

                  What's your point? That maps from different suppliers differ?

                  BTW, this is the (c) 2022 map from https://wego.here.com/:
                  Screenshot 2022-08-24 at 12.32.13.png
                  And this is the same area in the (c) 1992-2022 version of TomTom MyDrive:
                  Screenshot 2022-08-24 at 12.40.39.png

                  If there's information missing, you can report it to HERE and TomTom directly using those websites. In my experience with TomTom, any changes I've reported have shown up within a few weeks in MRA as well.

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                  • Herko ter Horstundefined Herko ter Horst

                    @Drabslab said in Use of basecamp:

                    @Arjan-de-Vries no, absolutely not. Mra routeplanner is much better than basecamp. ๐Ÿค—

                    I gave not heard any complaints about the mra here map being outdated. I assume that mra works over a cloud connection to here and therefore always has the most recent versiob.

                    Which means the map in Basecamp/on the Zumo is more likely to be "outdated", even if it's the most recent one available.

                    So it could make sense to check if there are no differences with the map in Basecamp. However, you'll encounter "issues" even if the map matches 100%, for example due to temporary closures/road works/etc. I just tend to deal with those as I encounter them and I treat any differences due to map versions that are potentially still there in the same way as well.

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                    Drabslab
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                    @Herko-ter-Horst to my knowledge, and i dont know about the policies of garmin or mra, there is no guarantee that the basecamp map and the maps on zumo are identical.

                    For comparison sake only, microsoft tends to update some regions earlier than others.

                    It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

                    Drabslabundefined Herko ter Horstundefined Con Hennekensundefined 3 Replies Last reply
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                    • Drabslabundefined Drabslab

                      @Herko-ter-Horst to my knowledge, and i dont know about the policies of garmin or mra, there is no guarantee that the basecamp map and the maps on zumo are identical.

                      For comparison sake only, microsoft tends to update some regions earlier than others.

                      Drabslabundefined Offline
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                      Drabslab
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #10

                      In all honesty, i dont worry about this too much. Usually, roads are added, not removed and i guess that old roads continue to exist. Maps, whether on paper or digital, become outdated. This is most obvious with speed restrictions. Counting on your gps to avoid tickets is not a good approach. Routing and a nav app are tools, the most important part on the road is to keep your eyes open.

                      It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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                      • Drabslabundefined Drabslab

                        @Herko-ter-Horst to my knowledge, and i dont know about the policies of garmin or mra, there is no guarantee that the basecamp map and the maps on zumo are identical.

                        For comparison sake only, microsoft tends to update some regions earlier than others.

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                        Herko ter Horst
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                        @Drabslab said in Use of basecamp:

                        @Herko-ter-Horst to my knowledge, and i dont know about the policies of garmin or mra, there is no guarantee that the basecamp map and the maps on zumo are identical.

                        For comparison sake only, microsoft tends to update some regions earlier than others.

                        Could be. On my older device, I can use the exact maps from the device itself in Basecamp (with the device connected via USB), 100% guaranteed to be same.

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                        • Arjan de Vriesundefined Arjan de Vries

                          Hi,

                          I have a gold membership. Make all my routes in MRA.
                          I have a zumo XT.
                          Do you check the route in basecamp?
                          I ask this because I think that the here map in MRA is not the same as the (Up to date) map in the Zumo.

                          Am I right?

                          Thanks,

                          Arjan

                          Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Offline
                          Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Offline
                          Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
                          Instructor RouteXperts
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #12

                          @Arjan-de-Vries

                          The roads can sometimes be drawn in a slightly different place.
                          Verschil Here en NTU .png

                          Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
                          Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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                          • Drabslabundefined Drabslab

                            @Herko-ter-Horst to my knowledge, and i dont know about the policies of garmin or mra, there is no guarantee that the basecamp map and the maps on zumo are identical.

                            For comparison sake only, microsoft tends to update some regions earlier than others.

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                            @Drabslab said in Use of basecamp:

                            @Herko-ter-Horst to my knowledge, and i dont know about the policies of garmin or mra, there is no guarantee that the basecamp map and the maps on zumo are identical.

                            To my knowledge, basecamp and zumo are updated from the same source. So if you update both, they should be exactly equal.

                            I think I have read on this forum before, that the Here mapsource (no not program!) for the planner and the Navigation app are not identical, and therefore small changes can exist due to differences in update schedules. It has not bothered me though. With clever use of waypoints the chance of noticeable difference is almost zero, and the ones I don't notice, well... I don't notice... ๐Ÿ˜‰

                            I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                            Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                            Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                            • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                              @Drabslab said in Use of basecamp:

                              @Herko-ter-Horst to my knowledge, and i dont know about the policies of garmin or mra, there is no guarantee that the basecamp map and the maps on zumo are identical.

                              To my knowledge, basecamp and zumo are updated from the same source. So if you update both, they should be exactly equal.

                              I think I have read on this forum before, that the Here mapsource (no not program!) for the planner and the Navigation app are not identical, and therefore small changes can exist due to differences in update schedules. It has not bothered me though. With clever use of waypoints the chance of noticeable difference is almost zero, and the ones I don't notice, well... I don't notice... ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                              @Con-Hennekens said in Use of basecamp:

                              my knowledge, basecamp and zumo are updated from the same source. So if you update both, they should be exactly equal

                              Yes they most likely are. But that do3sn't meab that they are updated at the same moment

                              It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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                              • Drabslabundefined Drabslab

                                @Con-Hennekens said in Use of basecamp:

                                my knowledge, basecamp and zumo are updated from the same source. So if you update both, they should be exactly equal

                                Yes they most likely are. But that do3sn't meab that they are updated at the same moment

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                                Con Hennekens
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                                @Drabslab said in Use of basecamp:

                                Yes they most likely are. But that do3sn't meab that they are updated at the same moment

                                Yes, but that renders it a user-error instead of a platform mis-design. Does Garmin Express not update both simultaneously (if you let it do that)?

                                I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                                Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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