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New beta! 4.3.4 (369) - massive navigation improvements

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  • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

    @Corjan-Meijerink I’m looking forward to testing Stop navigation on destination reached and Pause tracklog automatically a great addition to an already very capable navigation app.
    I’m assuming that with these new features, I can put the bike away, go inside and take my bike gear off, make a coffee and then save the tracklog?
    Whereas before, it always seemed like a rush to stop navigation and tracklog and then save.

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    @Nick-Carthew that’s entirely correct! 🙂
    Do make sure the destination can actually be reached for it to stop. Otherwise it will still trigger when a recalculation happens extremely close to this destination 😉

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    • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

      @Jörgen not very much! The route calculation uses the individual waypoints and when placed correctly is the same as the track.

      The track however really uses the data how the route originally created 🙂

      The improvement is really to ensure that the navigation of any route or track you drive is perfect! A lot of users get a GPX file from tour operators which is a track. This then leads to unexpected results but not anymore! 🎉

      Try it yourself and notice how it feels the same 😉

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      wrote on last edited by Dave J 0
      #16

      @Corjan-Meijerink Really liking the changes but I have been trying some different settings with routes that I have to run as tracks. Where I have a circular route, the track is very different to the route. An example for this route and is similar to a number of these training routes I use for Advanced Riding with the same problem although this is probably the worst example:

      As a route:
      IMG_0844.png

      Waypoint order as expected:
      IMG_0843.png

      Change to route as track:
      IMG_0845.png

      The track display showing the start now at the end with nothing else (white planned route):
      IMG_0847.png

      Waypoint order has now changed:
      IMG_0848.png

      Not what I was expecting and thought I should highlight here.

      Kind Regards. Help where I can.
      Ducati Multistrada V4 Rally
      iPhone 15 Pro
      Chigee AIO-5 Play
      Google Pixel 6 Pro - mounted on SP Connect Plus
      Ex Garmin XT2 and XT1 as well as Ex TomTom Rider User

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      • CD130undefined CD130

        Nice update, thank you!! 👏👏👏

        Question, I would like to pause the navigation (and the track) during, for example, a tank stop or a visit to a restaurant. I don’t want the MRA app to charge my battery unnecessarily during the break and keep hearing instructions coming out of my pocket. What is the best way to do that with the current app? Placing the app to the background is not enough, is it? So choose to stop navigation? That is very inconvenient, because you always have to restart the route. Or can that be done very quickly? Is a “pause navigation” button might be useful?

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        @CD130 I stop navigation when I stop for a break. I also pause the tracklog. When I'm ready to head out again I resume navigation. The tracklog automatically starts again.

        2010 GL1800 Goldwing using Samsung Galaxy S20 5G Android 13.

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        • Dave J 0undefined Dave J 0

          @Corjan-Meijerink Really liking the changes but I have been trying some different settings with routes that I have to run as tracks. Where I have a circular route, the track is very different to the route. An example for this route and is similar to a number of these training routes I use for Advanced Riding with the same problem although this is probably the worst example:

          As a route:
          IMG_0844.png

          Waypoint order as expected:
          IMG_0843.png

          Change to route as track:
          IMG_0845.png

          The track display showing the start now at the end with nothing else (white planned route):
          IMG_0847.png

          Waypoint order has now changed:
          IMG_0848.png

          Not what I was expecting and thought I should highlight here.

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          wrote on last edited by Corjan Meijerink
          #18

          @Dave-J-0 does not seem too strange to be honest. You’re not near the start and it seems te finish is closest to you. Try turning off “start nearest point on track” or simply longpress anywhere on the first section of the track.

          Waypoints only include the viapoints with the original number (as changing that into order would make you loose sense of the viapoint numbering).

          Edit: after further investigation, the behavior is indeed not logic and is improved in a new beta / the release 🙂 Thanks @Dave-J-0!

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            Great stuff.

            Thank you everyone at MyRoute for the hard work you put in and being so open with the whole development process.

            Richard

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            • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

              @Dave-J-0 does not seem too strange to be honest. You’re not near the start and it seems te finish is closest to you. Try turning off “start nearest point on track” or simply longpress anywhere on the first section of the track.

              Waypoints only include the viapoints with the original number (as changing that into order would make you loose sense of the viapoint numbering).

              Edit: after further investigation, the behavior is indeed not logic and is improved in a new beta / the release 🙂 Thanks @Dave-J-0!

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              @Corjan-Meijerink said in New beta! 4.3.4 (369) - massive navigation improvements:

              Try turning off “start nearest point on track”

              This was ‘off’ for the missing loop which is why I thought it strange. If I select this on then the full loop appears to be correct and shown.

              Aware that the ‘route as track’ will only show vias but if i select ‘waypoints’ then i receive a white box:

              image0.png

              Should this not show the info for the vias?

              Great work, love what the MRA Team are doing.

              Kind Regards. Help where I can.
              Ducati Multistrada V4 Rally
              iPhone 15 Pro
              Chigee AIO-5 Play
              Google Pixel 6 Pro - mounted on SP Connect Plus
              Ex Garmin XT2 and XT1 as well as Ex TomTom Rider User

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                #21

                This sounds fantastic. My compliments for what you have done again.
                I hope to be offered the new Beta version soon. Unfortunately, it is not yet available for Android.

                Dit klinkt fantastisch. Mijn complimenten voor hetgeen jullie weer verricht hebben.
                Ik hoop de nieuwe Beta versie snel aangeboden te krijgen. Helaas is deze voor Android nog niet beschikbaar.

                met een R1250RT met TFT en BMW Connected Ride App; de Garmin Zumo XT en My Route App in combinatie met de Carpuride W702 (voor Android op de Motor!)

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                  Just installed on IOS. Does it mean that we are able now to plan route using tomotom routing in the planner and then navigate by track having info about waypoints etc? I would be great!

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                  • Dave J 0undefined Dave J 0

                    @Corjan-Meijerink Really liking the changes but I have been trying some different settings with routes that I have to run as tracks. Where I have a circular route, the track is very different to the route. An example for this route and is similar to a number of these training routes I use for Advanced Riding with the same problem although this is probably the worst example:

                    As a route:
                    IMG_0844.png

                    Waypoint order as expected:
                    IMG_0843.png

                    Change to route as track:
                    IMG_0845.png

                    The track display showing the start now at the end with nothing else (white planned route):
                    IMG_0847.png

                    Waypoint order has now changed:
                    IMG_0848.png

                    Not what I was expecting and thought I should highlight here.

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                    Developer
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #23

                    @Dave-J-0 I've improved this in a next beta update / the release 🙂

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                    • Dave J 0undefined Dave J 0

                      @Corjan-Meijerink said in New beta! 4.3.4 (369) - massive navigation improvements:

                      Try turning off “start nearest point on track”

                      This was ‘off’ for the missing loop which is why I thought it strange. If I select this on then the full loop appears to be correct and shown.

                      Aware that the ‘route as track’ will only show vias but if i select ‘waypoints’ then i receive a white box:

                      image0.png

                      Should this not show the info for the vias?

                      Great work, love what the MRA Team are doing.

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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #24

                      @Dave-J-0 Thanks for sharing, fixed this too! 🙂

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                      • Stanisławundefined Stanisław

                        Just installed on IOS. Does it mean that we are able now to plan route using tomotom routing in the planner and then navigate by track having info about waypoints etc? I would be great!

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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #25

                        @Stanisław that's indeed correct however I'm slightly unsure why you'd want to do this 😉 Unless it's to use the TomTom scenic routing options and then preserve those by driving as track.

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                        • Stanisławundefined Stanisław

                          Just installed on IOS. Does it mean that we are able now to plan route using tomotom routing in the planner and then navigate by track having info about waypoints etc? I would be great!

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                          #26

                          @Stanisław No, the app does not use the planning map from TomTom.
                          If you want to use the TomTom planning map, use the Compare route with HERE tool to ensure that your TomTom route is followed accurately by the HERE map.

                          Always willing to help if I can.
                          Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                          MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                          Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                          Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                          TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                          • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                            @Stanisław that's indeed correct however I'm slightly unsure why you'd want to do this 😉 Unless it's to use the TomTom scenic routing options and then preserve those by driving as track.

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                            @Corjan-Meijerink Tomtom in general is better for paved roads then Here, I used it for years and I liked it. Maybe it is not so important in case of well planned trips but can be an interesting option. I will test it for sure - thank you!

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                            • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                              @Stanisław No, the app does not use the planning map from TomTom.
                              If you want to use the TomTom planning map, use the Compare route with HERE tool to ensure that your TomTom route is followed accurately by the HERE map.

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                              @Nick-Carthew In case of track based navigation we could say that we can use the road planned in the MRA planner using Tomtom/Openstreet maps algorythm, moved to the MRA navigation as a track - am I wrong?

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                              • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                                @Dave-J-0 Thanks for sharing, fixed this too! 🙂

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                                wrote on last edited by Dave J 0
                                #29

                                @Corjan-Meijerink Thanks for this. Just wondering how adding additional stops (petrol, coffee) should show; I appear to be able to select a venue in CarPlay but this does not get added to track. I understand that I am navigating as a track but curious how these will be added to the existing track or will I be able to? On the iPhone, do not have the’Add Stop’ option.

                                Kind Regards. Help where I can.
                                Ducati Multistrada V4 Rally
                                iPhone 15 Pro
                                Chigee AIO-5 Play
                                Google Pixel 6 Pro - mounted on SP Connect Plus
                                Ex Garmin XT2 and XT1 as well as Ex TomTom Rider User

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                                • Stanisławundefined Stanisław

                                  @Nick-Carthew In case of track based navigation we could say that we can use the road planned in the MRA planner using Tomtom/Openstreet maps algorythm, moved to the MRA navigation as a track - am I wrong?

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                                  @Stanisław said in New beta! 4.3.4 (369) - massive navigation improvements:

                                  @Nick-Carthew In case of track based navigation we could say that we can use the road planned in the MRA planner using Tomtom/Openstreet maps algorythm, moved to the MRA navigation as a track - am I wrong?

                                  Well according to Corjan, no you are not wrong so I stand corrected.

                                  Always willing to help if I can.
                                  Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                                  MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                                  Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                                  Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                                  TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                                  • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                                    Hi everyone! 👋

                                    It has been over a month since the 4.3.3 beta was started 😮
                                    The wait has been worth it for sure as we have been cracking our heads to improve the core of our app. Obviously it's nice to create fun features but after all we are a navigation app so it also makes sense to improve the navigation itself 😉

                                    A lot of fundamental aspects have been improved beyond imagination 🎉 With this update, the app will become your default go-to navigation app! I am extremely proud of the work Joost and I have accomplished 💪

                                    Track navigation

                                    Yes, it existed. With that, most was said.
                                    Generate a scenic route or roundtour and away you go!
                                    Diverting from the route or losing an internet connection would result in major issues 😞

                                    Now not anymore! 🎉 💥

                                    Track navigation works completely offline! When you go offline (either by choice or chance) the track navigation will continue working and recalculating! There might be minor differences compared to the online calculation but you are warned about that. Besides that, the original calculation will always remain visible 😉

                                    render_track.png

                                    When you divert from your track, you will be redirected to the nearest logical point on the track. Yes, you might be sent back (depending on the location) but eventually (or immediately) you will be sent to another logical point on the track. Do you want to navigate to another section of the track? Just long press near the point where you want to rejoin! 😏

                                    render_resume.png

                                    Do you prefer navigating routes as track? Leave the already existing setting as you have it and away you go! 🎉 This works similar to the GPX 1.2 format on your Garmin.

                                    render_skip.png

                                    This means that even while navigating a track, you can skip your viapoints 💥 How amazing is that! Because you are navigating a track, shapingpoints are obviously not included. After skipping a viapoint, the fastest route is calculated to the next viapoint 😃

                                    When loading a track, you can now also change the setting to start from the nearest point on the track!

                                    render_nearby.png

                                    Long pressing near the point where you want to continue your track, also works before starting the navigation!

                                    render_nearest.png

                                    With this update, track navigation has been elevated to a level you could not have imagined. To be brutally honest, I have ridden a lot of routes as tracks and this might become my preferred method of navigating 🙂

                                    Dynamic routing

                                    Whenever you're going from A to B, you often get into traffic and a faster route becomes available. When you've enabled traffic optimisation we will now continuously search for faster routes! 🎉

                                    render_dynamic.png

                                    render_cp_dynamic.png

                                    After accepting the new route (which will happen when you don’t decide within a certain time) you will still see the original route.

                                    Traffic warnings

                                    For all types of navigation, it is interesting to know if you are driving into traffic or pass an accident. Now that we are introducing the dynamic routing as explained above, it makes a lot of sense to also warn about traffic related events on your route.

                                    render_construction.png

                                    render_cp_construction.png

                                    We will inform you about:

                                    • Traffic flow delays (significantly queued traffic)
                                    • Traffic incidents (accidents, closed lanes etc)
                                    • Road work (known construction)

                                    You can choose the enabled categories yourself from the settings.
                                    When enabled we will show an icon on the map, update the line to show the length of the delay and push a visual / audio warning.

                                    If a faster alternative route is available, that will automatically be suggested too! 🎉

                                    Destination reached

                                    The amount of discussion on this topic on the forum has been incredible. Since the release of the app, people have different preferences regarding what the app should do when arriving at your destination.

                                    render_destination_reached.png

                                    Now the app will prompt to stop navigation after reaching it.
                                    The default setting is that navigation will stop.
                                    You can disable this behavior. In that case, when no choice is made, it will continue navigating as it currently does.

                                    Updated settings

                                    Check out all the updated settings and play around!
                                    Most changes are within the functional settings 🙂

                                    render_settings.png

                                    Automatic recalculations
                                    Garmin people will love this too! You can now turn off the automatic recalculations. This will force you to drive back to your route by yourself 😉 We will show the original route (as we always do) and stop actively guiding you back.

                                    Stop tracklog when stopping navigation
                                    You can now make the tracklog pause when you stop navigating automatically. Saving is always up to you 🙂

                                    Scaling improvement
                                    Some people had very small icons / lines (especially on high resolution CarPlay / Android Auto devices) while using the app. We've improved the scaling behavior of these elements on different screen sizes. Besides that, in CP / AA the shown speed limit and current speed is increased in size for those big displays.

                                    Visual settings CarPlay / Android Auto
                                    When you disable some visual elements from the settings, these are now also applied in CP / AA. Relevant ones are:

                                    • Speed limit
                                    • Visual warnings
                                    • Lane instructions

                                    Position indicator size
                                    You can now also increase / decrease the size of the position indicator

                                    Minor improvements

                                    • Better camera animations regarding tilt
                                    • Back button behavior Android on home screen
                                    • More waypoint information on skipping / resuming
                                    • Position indicator not off screen when rotating phone anymore in some situations
                                    • Improved shown original route data
                                    • Slight changes to automatic waypoint skip algorithm
                                    • Zoom level freedrive in CarPlay / Android Auto

                                    What's next?
                                    Well most of all, gathering your feedback and checking if everything works as expected. Besides that, the end of the year is approaching so not sure how much more massive things we will do before that 😉
                                    In this (and the last) updates we really try to focus on the core of the app. Previous updates had a lot of stability improvements and this one improves the navigational core of the app. My guess is, we will focus on any issues before releasing this and improving the stability further 🙂

                                    Cheers,
                                    Corjan

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                                    @Corjan-Meijerink What great updates - I'll be able to use MRA for A to B now.

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                                    • Dave J 0undefined Dave J 0

                                      @Corjan-Meijerink Thanks for this. Just wondering how adding additional stops (petrol, coffee) should show; I appear to be able to select a venue in CarPlay but this does not get added to track. I understand that I am navigating as a track but curious how these will be added to the existing track or will I be able to? On the iPhone, do not have the’Add Stop’ option.

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                                      @Dave-J-0 Good find! 🙂
                                      That should not be possible from CarPlay / Android Auto. The fact that it doesn't get added shows that too.

                                      I've made sure the button is hidden in the future beta update / release 😉

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                                        This is one helluvan update! 😉
                                        Great work!

                                        I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                        Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                                        Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                                          Traffic warnings and reached destination pop ups are great and have worked well during use today. One little request, they disappear too quick and I find that I do not have time to read what the ‘pop up’ is saying if I am in a busy traffic environment. Personally, I could do with at least another five seconds (or configurable) before the pop up auto closes. Useful to know what others think.

                                          Kind Regards. Help where I can.
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                                          iPhone 15 Pro
                                          Chigee AIO-5 Play
                                          Google Pixel 6 Pro - mounted on SP Connect Plus
                                          Ex Garmin XT2 and XT1 as well as Ex TomTom Rider User

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