maximum speed for all vehicle types

[Cookie On Tour]

It would be really nice if we could give a maximum speed to all vehicle types, not only for the RV. I am just thinking of car, what if I have a trailer attached and limited to a certain speed. The benefit would be a better (time wise calculation) of routes and within the navigation app.

When I choose RV to be able to give the length of my car+trailer and max. speed, within the route planning I get different times (because there is the max. speed not taken into account), but at the nav app it is taken into account, but I need the timings for better planning. Also when I chose RV I do get the logistic map as I was driving a truck

[Bouke Ent]

@Cookie-On-Tour in my idea it would be even better to have multi option within a type. i know this will be very difficult but i would like 2 car profiles: 1 without trailer and 1 with trailer. both have in nl other limits then a truck or even a bus. but i think this info is not in here maps. even in DE there are 2 limits for trailer 80 or 100 depends on tuv.

[Peter Schiefer]

@Bouke-Ent
Unfortunately MRA allow only to notify on vehicle in your account with data. May it is a plan for the future, but it is not yet possible

[Bouke Ent]

@Peter-Schiefer said in maximum speed for all vehicle types:

@Bouke-Ent
Unfortunately MRA allow only to notify on vehicle in your account with data. May it is a plan for the future, but it is not yet possible

i know. even on that I do not believe that here has info in there maps for special types like speed for trailer or bus.

[Peter Schiefer]

@Bouke-Ent

In the Here maps are up to now for the low cost and free Nav Sat Units or Apps only standard limits, restrictions present.

Limits for trucks are so variabel that they needs special services and for this e.g. Navigation systems for freight companies must pay a lot more.
I am now 20 years convinced with Navaigation and I rememebr the beginnings for popular Sat-Nav Systems like Navigon, Garmin and TomTom.
The first Nav Sat maps and planer were sold by the company Map & Guide in the years 2006 to 2010 on DVD like Motorbike tour Planer, Camper planer, even a cabrio planer was availabe. Map & Guide was in contract with Navteq the map data collector which carride over to HERE. But this is even history.
May some of you can remember those days
The only picture I found, from those years

Map & Guide changed years ago to a service for carriers.
https://www.ptvlogistics.com/de/produkte/ptv-mapandguide

https://www.google.com/imgres?q=Motorrad tourenplaner dvd&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fm.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F61jZY05yeDL.AC_UF1000%2C1000_QL80.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.de%2FMotorrad-Tourenplaner-2007-Eurobox-DVD-ROM%2Fdp%2F3938542233&docid=_J0YmfYPWTNKOM&tbnid=MBN4Ovayw6F8OM&vet=12ahUKEwimqvnXvdmIAxXPgf0HHW3pBGEQM3oECGkQAA..i&w=1000&h=974&hcb=2&ved=2ahUKEwimqvnXvdmIAxXPgf0HHW3pBGEQM3oECGkQAA

[Cookie On Tour]

@Peter-Schiefer well I see different setting options for an RV and a truck, even an electric car has different settings, so at my opinion it should be easy to allow having a car also settings, preferring also to setup a trailer attached to the car!

[Peter Schiefer]

@Cookie-On-Tour

May there is missunderstanding.
To put your maximum speed im your data to calculate traveltime is an easy thing.
But dimension and weight to avoid too small roads or low bridges ia another story. For this you need the data in the maps and for these extra data MRA must pay.

This morning I saw on YT from a WoMo driver a report about Sygic.
You can buy a special version for camper and must pay about 30 € in average per year above Lifetime use of the program for extras.
Database for Sygic is the competitor from HERE for data and map supply TomTom.
Sygic has no own route planer.
I habe the standard Premium Sygic as Standby. You can Import MRA GPX files and get the route, but no info verbal or via text about POIs, coffee or lunch break stops.

By the way with now more than 50 years of travelling by car, 12 years on business with car.
I never worked with estimated time calculated from the Nav System „on the minute“ What ever you get is a possible time which can be wrong all the time on your way.
An when you know your max speed in the Highway is max 90 and your distance on the highway is 450 km it is not 5 h it is about 6 h.
On country roads your average is max 40 or sometimes less. because your accelaration is less, your max speed may only 75-80. Passing trucks impossible.
The only way for you for time estimating is experience.

[Vincent Curren]

Interesting idea! For me, a feature like this would be helpful for a different reason.

When touring the French Alps last October, I learned the hard way that the estimated times calculated by MRA were off by about a third. If MRA predicted that a route would take 3 hours to ride, I found it actually took 4 hours. I found that I was averaging maybe 40 km/hour on those mountain roads, if that. But the legal speed was much higher, which I think contributed to the difference.

I would find it very helpful to have an option to specify a maximum speed (or an average speed, either could work) in the route planner that reflects my own riding style.

Vinnie

[Peter Schiefer]

@Vincent-Curren
On Garmin Basecamp you can set your own averages Speed per vehicle.
But again, this is only for estimation at the green desk.
The Nav Sat will use this info by settings too as far as I know at start, but it will adjust all estimated times by the real speed and average time per driven distance.
Again, with years of experience you get a knowledge.
Daytime drives, normal traffic condition. Car no trailer
On Highway 100+/-5 per hour.
Country roads interrupted with small villages at about each 10 Kilometers average 50+5 kilometers /hour.
City traffic 20-25 km/h unbeleavable but true, with a car in the cities you are not so much faster than a bicycle.

[Vincent Curren]

@Peter-Schiefer said in maximum speed for all vehicle types:

with a car in the cities you are not so much faster than a bicycle

That has been my experience too.

The difference in arrival accuracy between MRA and Google maps is pretty dramatic, though. Google maps is usually pretty good. MRA tends to predict arrival much sooner in my experience.

Vinnie

[Cookie On Tour]

@Peter-Schiefer for a regular car you, unfortunately, can't set a max speed, unless I don't know how.

[Cookie On Tour]

@Vincent-Curren agree, I would love the max. speed for a car, as you may have an oldtimer and you can't go faster than x km/h, so it would be really helpful.

Now while I am in Sweden, most roads are 80 km/h so MRA, when choosing car is pretty close in time calculations, however, when the route gors via a highway, MRA is off, and I agree, it's then about a third of the time.

[Peter Schiefer]

@Cookie-On-Tour

Joerg
do you need rearly such calculation „exact on the minute“
Why is it such a problem.
I know your caravan is a very compact and slim one.
May in Germanay you have a 100 km Ticket for German highways. in other countrys are different limits on highways and coutry roads.
Here is an overview
https://www.ace.de/reisen/reiseberichte/reiseberichte-artikel/artikel/tempolimits-fuer-caravans-in-europa/

In avarage you are at 80 km/h

You can add about 25% on estimated times for cars and you have a reference.

I drove a caravan in the 80 few times to the south of france (Ardeche)
When I need with the car only about 10-11 h netto for the about 930 Kilometer (google actuall 9:50) then i need with the caravan 14 h netto with an overnight.

[Cookie On Tour]

@Peter-Schiefer yes, I like to have an estimate that suits and is realistic, rather than not knowing when I will be at my destination. Especially when driving - I don't want to calculate all time while driving, I want to concentrate on the road.
It's different when I make my planning, I often use the ADAC map and route planner, as they calculate pessimistic, means I usually beat their times. It's mostly about the routes when I have to be there on specific times, like a ferry or train etc. to catch.
Yes, I now hear your saying you can't count on time, traffic jams, detours etc. up to now I am doing fine, never missed a date. Because, I am adding additional time, but as said I like to see an option for all vehicles.
I know, I can calculate myself, but - we are talking about software, something that should ease our live. And as software can be changed and made convenient to use, my request is just a thing to make MRA even more userfriendly.

[Vincent Curren]

@Cookie-On-Tour said in maximum speed for all vehicle types:

I would love the max. speed for a car, as you may have an oldtimer and you can't go faster than x km/h,

@Cookie-On-Tour, for me, it's not the oldtimer car, it is that I, myself, am an oldtimer and >I< can't go faster than x KM/h!

Vinnie

[Peter Schiefer]

@Cookie-On-Tour

I quote your text

on your first thread you wrote:
When I choose RV to be able to give the length of my car+trailer and max. speed, within the route planning I get different times (because there is the max. speed not taken into account), but at the nav app it is taken into account, but I need the timings for better planning.

Now in the last comment you wrote:
yes, I like to have an estimate that suits and is realistic, rather than not knowing when I will be at my destination. Especially when driving - I don't want to calculate all time while driving, I want to concentrate on the road.

Estimate travel time during planning and have here the opportunity to add average speed or a max speed on certain roads is a possibility at Garmin Basecamp. BC will use these values then for calculation of time.

But now with your second comment you makes a mental error.
At the Sat Nav on the road like a Garmin Camper you can only adress a max speed limit. There is no setting for road type average speed,
Original text Garmin Camper 895

Bearbeiten von Fahrzeugprofilen

Sie können grundlegende Informationen des Fahrzeugprofils ändern oder einem Fahrzeugprofil detaillierte Informationen hinzufügen, beispielsweise die maximale Geschwindigkeit

Dadurch wird eine realistischere voraussichtliche Ankunftszeit erstellt. Die Einstellung der maximalen Geschwindigkeit kann auch den Routenverlauf anpassen und zusätzliche Routenvorschläge liefern.

So you will get a bit more accurate Calculation when you start but
when the camper looks in addition on traffic info too an so an expected total time and time to next Alarm point, which is quite different to the BC calculation. But now when you beginn driving the system calculate constantly your time used and distance driven and present you a always insitu new expected total time. This is a complete different story to the calculation on the green table with e. g. Basecamp

[Cookie On Tour]

@Peter-Schiefer choosing RV has other down sides. Having the car an option for a max. speed would solve these down sides. That simple.