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  • Lynchy67 Lynchy67

    @Rob-Verhoeff

    Ik ben het er echter mee eens dat beide standpunten dezelfde informatie opleveren.
    Maar dat had ik niet geweten, aangezien ik nooit landschap heb gebruikt.

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    @Lynchy67 said in Rijbaaninstructie op snelwegen: veel te groot en komt te vroeg!:

    Ik ben het er echter mee eens dat beide standpunten dezelfde informatie opleveren

    Dat wel. Maar in verschillende verhoudingen.

    Yes. But in different proportions.

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    • Lynchy67 Lynchy67

      @Rob-Verhoeff

      Ik ben het er echter mee eens dat beide standpunten dezelfde informatie opleveren.
      Maar dat had ik niet geweten, aangezien ik nooit landschap heb gebruikt.

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      #15

      @Lynchy67 I too was a fan of portrait view for the same reason that you gave in a previous reply, to see more of the road ahead. Since dumping my old TomTom and now only using MRA on my phone, I moved the position of my QuadLock mount from my handlebars to the Evotech bracket previously used for my TomTom. The Evotech bracket positions my phone above my instruments and in direct line of sight but in portrait mode it covered some of my instruments so I now have it in landscape mode. To be honest with you I now actually prefer it this way. The screen appears less cluttered in landscape and because of the better position itโ€™s easier for me to see without taking my eyes off of the road.
      And this reply is a good excuse for another Tiger pic ๐Ÿ˜Š

      IMG_2553.jpeg

      Always willing to help if I can.
      Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
      MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox BJ8

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      • Nick Carthew Nick Carthew

        @Lynchy67 I too was a fan of portrait view for the same reason that you gave in a previous reply, to see more of the road ahead. Since dumping my old TomTom and now only using MRA on my phone, I moved the position of my QuadLock mount from my handlebars to the Evotech bracket previously used for my TomTom. The Evotech bracket positions my phone above my instruments and in direct line of sight but in portrait mode it covered some of my instruments so I now have it in landscape mode. To be honest with you I now actually prefer it this way. The screen appears less cluttered in landscape and because of the better position itโ€™s easier for me to see without taking my eyes off of the road.
        And this reply is a good excuse for another Tiger pic ๐Ÿ˜Š

        IMG_2553.jpeg

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        #16

        @Nick-Carthew Hahahaha great to read this ... I can recall a very specific person, a.k.a. the bearded friendly giant from the UK, asking me during the beta zoom call why I preferred to drive in landscape. ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜‹

        Good to see you've turned. ๐Ÿ˜„

        Manks bu'j te bange.

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        • Stefan Hummelink Stefan Hummelink

          @Nick-Carthew Hahahaha great to read this ... I can recall a very specific person, a.k.a. the bearded friendly giant from the UK, asking me during the beta zoom call why I preferred to drive in landscape. ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜‹

          Good to see you've turned. ๐Ÿ˜„

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          #17

          @Stefan-Hummelink Ha ha ๐Ÿ˜… Iโ€™m never afraid to say I was wrong. #LandscapeRules

          Always willing to help if I can.
          Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
          MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox BJ8

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          • Nick Carthew Nick Carthew

            @Stefan-Hummelink Ha ha ๐Ÿ˜… Iโ€™m never afraid to say I was wrong. #LandscapeRules

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            @Nick-Carthew

            My Tiger 900 Rally Pro on a PCP has now gone back to Triumph.
            On Friday I pickup the 1200 Tiger Rally Pro, which Iโ€™ve bought outright, again in the Khaki Green with the White sub frame.
            No more chain maintenance Woo Hoo!
            Itโ€™s fully loaded with every extra they have, including the Ceramic Coating which they have introduced this year.
            As I live in South London, (The land of thieving Toe Rags) I mount the Quadlock on a 1โ€ ball so I can easily take it off and stick it in the back box when stopping.
            I will try Landscape but I suspect Iโ€™ll stick with Portrait.
            Only 4 days to go ๐Ÿ‘

            You donโ€™t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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            • Lynchy67 Lynchy67

              @Nick-Carthew

              My Tiger 900 Rally Pro on a PCP has now gone back to Triumph.
              On Friday I pickup the 1200 Tiger Rally Pro, which Iโ€™ve bought outright, again in the Khaki Green with the White sub frame.
              No more chain maintenance Woo Hoo!
              Itโ€™s fully loaded with every extra they have, including the Ceramic Coating which they have introduced this year.
              As I live in South London, (The land of thieving Toe Rags) I mount the Quadlock on a 1โ€ ball so I can easily take it off and stick it in the back box when stopping.
              I will try Landscape but I suspect Iโ€™ll stick with Portrait.
              Only 4 days to go ๐Ÿ‘

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              #19

              @Lynchy67 geef het een kans... veilige en goede rit ๐Ÿ‘

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              • Rob Verhoeff Rob Verhoeff

                @Lynchy67 heb je portait en landscape al eens naast elkaar gezien? Leg mij het verschil eens uit. Ik zie in beide gevallen evenveel van de weg.
                Alhoewel, in portrait stand zie ik eigenlijk minder van de weg omdat die door dat blauwe blok met tekst heenlooptโ€ฆ

                Portrait:
                IMG_9084.PNG

                Landscape:
                IMG_9085.PNG

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                @Rob-Verhoeff
                In landscape mode zie je wel hetzelfde (ongeveer), maar het oppervalk waarop je dat ziet is veel kleiner. En, dus ook de resolutie waarmee dat wordt getoond.
                In mijn beleving is het dus niet vergelijkbaar.

                Daarmee blijft mijn suggestie staan: verklein de rijbaaninstructie
                Supersuggestie van @PeterKerkhof om een optie te maken zodat je door te klikken op de rijbaaninstructie deze kunt laten verdwijnen.

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                • Dikke Wim Dikke Wim

                  @Rob-Verhoeff
                  In landscape mode zie je wel hetzelfde (ongeveer), maar het oppervalk waarop je dat ziet is veel kleiner. En, dus ook de resolutie waarmee dat wordt getoond.
                  In mijn beleving is het dus niet vergelijkbaar.

                  Daarmee blijft mijn suggestie staan: verklein de rijbaaninstructie
                  Supersuggestie van @PeterKerkhof om een optie te maken zodat je door te klikken op de rijbaaninstructie deze kunt laten verdwijnen.

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                  @Dikke-Wim said in Rijbaaninstructie op snelwegen: veel te groot en komt te vroeg!:

                  In landscape mode zie je wel hetzelfde (ongeveer), maar het oppervalk waarop je dat ziet is veel kleiner. En, dus ook de resolutie waarmee dat wordt getoond.
                  In mijn beleving is het dus niet vergelijkbaar.

                  Daarmee ben ik het eens. Heb ik hierboven ook al aangegeven.

                  Maar met onderstaande opmerking ben ik het niet eens:

                  een optie te maken zodat je door te klikken op de rijbaaninstructie deze kunt laten verdwijnen.

                  Er zijn landen waar een motorrijder te allen tijde twee handen aan het stuur moet hebben. En er zijn ook landen waar je geen instrumenten mag bedienen tijdens het rijden.

                  In English:

                  @Dikke-Wim said in Lane instruction on highways: much too big and comes too early!:

                  In landscape mode you see the same thing (approximately), but the surface on which you see it is much smaller. And, therefore, also the resolution with which it is shown.
                  So in my experience it is not comparable.

                  I agree with that. I have already indicated above.

                  But I disagree with the comment below:

                  create an option so that you can make it disappear by clicking on the lane instruction.

                  There are countries where a motorcyclist must have two hands on the handlebars at all times. And there are also countries where you are not allowed to operate instruments while driving.

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                  • Dikke Wim Dikke Wim

                    De nieuwe versie van MRA uitgeprobeerd (4.0.4 (216). De rijbaaninstructie is een hele mooie toevoeging. Echter,

                      1. de instructie beslaat ยฑ50% van het scherm van mijn smartphone (iPhone). Zie onder fig. 1.
                        Suggestie: Maak de instructie 20-30% kleiner
                      1. de instructie komt al heel erg vroeg, een keer zo vroeg dat er nog een andere afslag tussen zat. Dat brengt veel verwarring. Geen plaatje van, wel dat de instructie al ruim voor 800m tot wel 1.3km in beeld komt. Zie fig. 2.
                        Suggestie: geef de instructie pas vanaf 350-400 meter om minder eerdere afslagen te vermijden.
                      1. de instructie is soms zeer verwarrend omdat de NIET TE NEMEN afslag met een bord aangegeven wordt en de te nemen route geen bord heeft. ZIe fig. 3.
                        Suggestie: probeer altijd de te nemen afslag/route (rechtdoor) te ondersteunen met een bord.
                      1. de navigatie in mijn auto laat het bord van de NIET TE NEMEN afslag kleiner zien en wat meer gedimd. Erg handig (zie ook punt 3). Zie fig. 4.
                        Suggestie: maak het bord van de NIET TE NEMEN afslag of richting kleiner en ietswat gedimd.

                    Hopelijk heeft het ontwikkelteam iets aan mijn suggesties. Keep up the good work!

                    Figuur 1: de instrucitie beslaat ยฑ50% van het scherm
                    Schermยญafbeelding 2023-09-07 om 17.01.58.png

                    Figuur 2. De instructie is hier al 1.3km voor de afslag op het scherm. Andere tussenliggende afslagen zijn soms aanwezig en veroorzaken verwarring.
                    Schermยญafbeelding 2023-09-07 om 17.02.44.png

                    Fig 3. verwarrend dat je hier NIET de afslag met het bord moet nemen!
                    Schermยญafbeelding 2023-09-07 om 17.03.53.png

                    Fig 4. Suggestie om een layout te maken (indien mogelijk) zoals hier: het bord dat niet relevant is, is kleiner en deels gedimd. (Kia Niro)
                    Schermยญafbeelding 2023-09-07 om 19.35.04.png

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                    wrote on last edited by Lynchy67
                    #22

                    @Dikke-Wim

                    Had 2 fantastic days out (so far) on my new Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally Pro.
                    No issues with the app at all. It has worked as expected both days.
                    I am now a fan of the Dark Mode.
                    Today I did try Landscape mode for an hour.
                    I have to say that for me, I just donโ€™t like it, the layout just seems โ€œsquashedโ€!
                    Horses for courses, Iโ€™ll stick with Portrait mode.

                    (Tot nu toe) 2 fantastische dagen gehad op mijn nieuwe Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally Pro.
                    Totaal geen problemen met de app. Het heeft beide dagen gewerkt zoals verwacht.
                    Ik ben nu een fan van de donkere modus.
                    Vandaag heb ik de Landscape-modus een uurtje geprobeerd.
                    Ik moet zeggen dat ik het gewoon niet leuk vind, de lay-out lijkt gewoon "platgedrukt"!
                    Paarden voor cursussen, ik blijf bij de portretmodus.

                    Snapshot 16-09-2023 19:30.jpeg

                    You donโ€™t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                      #23

                      It's so funny...
                      Until the zumo XT literally ALL dedicated navigation units have been in landscape format. Yet when people switch to a phone some seem to think portrait is a better orientation. Even the portrait function of the XT has been market demanded from people who tried navigating on their phones first.

                      The obviously wrong orientation of smartphone design also disturbed the photography industry, now people think shooting pictures in portrait is default. It's not, proved by the many pictures with too much street, too much sky and too little of what you wanted to take a picture of.

                      Why? People have their eyes beside each other, not above each other...

                      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                      Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                      Check out RideSleepRepeat.eu, a biker community for sharing stays across Europe

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                        #24

                        Thanks for the feedback in this post.

                        I've made the image smaller in portrait mode. Yes, this makes the text slightly smaller and thus more difficult to read. It this does however ensure that more of the map remains visible ๐Ÿ™‚
                        Old:
                        IMG_6266 (1).png

                        New:
                        IMG_6268 (1).png

                        Besides that:

                        • attempt has been made to only show the signs that are relevant to your manoeuvre and not the "stay on the highway" images.
                        • changed the internal configuration to only show the image when you are within a certain distance.

                        Please let me know what you think!

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                        • Corjan Meijerink Corjan Meijerink

                          Thanks for the feedback in this post.

                          I've made the image smaller in portrait mode. Yes, this makes the text slightly smaller and thus more difficult to read. It this does however ensure that more of the map remains visible ๐Ÿ™‚
                          Old:
                          IMG_6266 (1).png

                          New:
                          IMG_6268 (1).png

                          Besides that:

                          • attempt has been made to only show the signs that are relevant to your manoeuvre and not the "stay on the highway" images.
                          • changed the internal configuration to only show the image when you are within a certain distance.

                          Please let me know what you think!

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                          @Corjan-Meijerink ... sounds good and fits in with my suggestion. ๐Ÿ‘

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                          • Corjan Meijerink Corjan Meijerink

                            Thanks for the feedback in this post.

                            I've made the image smaller in portrait mode. Yes, this makes the text slightly smaller and thus more difficult to read. It this does however ensure that more of the map remains visible ๐Ÿ™‚
                            Old:
                            IMG_6266 (1).png

                            New:
                            IMG_6268 (1).png

                            Besides that:

                            • attempt has been made to only show the signs that are relevant to your manoeuvre and not the "stay on the highway" images.
                            • changed the internal configuration to only show the image when you are within a certain distance.

                            Please let me know what you think!

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                            #26

                            @Corjan-Meijerink I only use the phone in landscape. Not having any difficulties with the images. However, the suggestions are okay.

                            ๐Ÿ๏ธ BMW K1600GT-P (2013) | Nolan N100-5 with Sena 30K
                            ๐Ÿ“ฑ iOS on iPhone 13 & 16 (mounted on Quadlock or AliExpress extention on BMW-cradle)
                            ๐Ÿš™ Apple CarPlay in VW T-Roc
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                            • Corjan Meijerink Corjan Meijerink

                              Thanks for the feedback in this post.

                              I've made the image smaller in portrait mode. Yes, this makes the text slightly smaller and thus more difficult to read. It this does however ensure that more of the map remains visible ๐Ÿ™‚
                              Old:
                              IMG_6266 (1).png

                              New:
                              IMG_6268 (1).png

                              Besides that:

                              • attempt has been made to only show the signs that are relevant to your manoeuvre and not the "stay on the highway" images.
                              • changed the internal configuration to only show the image when you are within a certain distance.

                              Please let me know what you think!

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                              @Corjan-Meijerink, seems perfectly fine!

                              I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                              Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                              Check out RideSleepRepeat.eu, a biker community for sharing stays across Europe

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                              • Con Hennekens Con Hennekens

                                It's so funny...
                                Until the zumo XT literally ALL dedicated navigation units have been in landscape format. Yet when people switch to a phone some seem to think portrait is a better orientation. Even the portrait function of the XT has been market demanded from people who tried navigating on their phones first.

                                The obviously wrong orientation of smartphone design also disturbed the photography industry, now people think shooting pictures in portrait is default. It's not, proved by the many pictures with too much street, too much sky and too little of what you wanted to take a picture of.

                                Why? People have their eyes beside each other, not above each other...

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                                #28

                                @Con-Hennekens
                                At least my beautiful new Tiger 1200 Rally Pro photo was taken in Landscape mode. ๐Ÿ˜Š

                                You donโ€™t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                                • Lynchy67 Lynchy67

                                  @Con-Hennekens
                                  At least my beautiful new Tiger 1200 Rally Pro photo was taken in Landscape mode. ๐Ÿ˜Š

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                                  @Lynchy67, Great! That's how it's done! ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                  I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                  Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                                  Check out RideSleepRepeat.eu, a biker community for sharing stays across Europe

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                                  • Corjan Meijerink Corjan Meijerink

                                    Thanks for the feedback in this post.

                                    I've made the image smaller in portrait mode. Yes, this makes the text slightly smaller and thus more difficult to read. It this does however ensure that more of the map remains visible ๐Ÿ™‚
                                    Old:
                                    IMG_6266 (1).png

                                    New:
                                    IMG_6268 (1).png

                                    Besides that:

                                    • attempt has been made to only show the signs that are relevant to your manoeuvre and not the "stay on the highway" images.
                                    • changed the internal configuration to only show the image when you are within a certain distance.

                                    Please let me know what you think!

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                                    @Corjan-Meijerink that sound good
                                    Will it also be displayed on the screen of Android auto because up till now it doesn't
                                    Have you been able to change something in the not so detailed view because that didn't function good
                                    Thnkx for your effort

                                    Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                                    Honda Silverwing GL 650
                                    DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                                    Garmin XT sold
                                    Samsung S24FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                                      @Corjan-Meijerink that sound good
                                      Will it also be displayed on the screen of Android auto because up till now it doesn't
                                      Have you been able to change something in the not so detailed view because that didn't function good
                                      Thnkx for your effort

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                                      #31

                                      @Marinus-van-Deudekom Android Auto will include lane guidance in the next update! It won't however yet include these new (detailed) images.

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                                        @Marinus-van-Deudekom Android Auto will include lane guidance in the next update! It won't however yet include these new (detailed) images.

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                                        @Corjan-Meijerink step by step we are getting there, thnkx

                                        Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                                        Honda Silverwing GL 650
                                        DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                                        Garmin XT sold
                                        Samsung S24FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                                          Afgelopen week de app gebruikt in Frankrijk met de lane assist en warempel ik heb ook wat te mekkeren over de functie. Al rijdend op de autoweg geeft lane assist ook meldingen als je rechtdoor moet rijden op autowegen en daar vindt ik de melding overbodig.

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