Navigating via MRA Navigation...
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@matt-flaming said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
@hans-van-de-ven-mra-master said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
can you test what you do with your Android phone with an iPhone? (from a friend)
I have my own iPhone 11. I will test with it today.
Hi @Matt-flaming, How did the iPhone test go?
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@matt-flaming said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
No, I'm expecting the system to work the way that makes sense to LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE, you know, with some organization? Events is for events, not random day rides.
There are no systems that work that way as far as I know. I may not have as many routes as you (I don't even know why I would want to) but large amounts of routes are easily managed within the ecosystem of MRA. The routes you want to take with you can be put into one or more events. Analogue as to how it works with Garmin plus Basecamp, MRA plus garmin devices. Probably Mydrive and TomTom but I don't know about that. It makes no sense to carry all routes always on your nav device.
But if that's the way you want to have it, it's fine with me. I think you overestimate how many people work like you do. Please find a system that does it like you want, don't keep pulling this dead horse here. Thank you.
@con-hennekens said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
I may not have as many routes as you (I don't even know why I would want to) but large amounts of routes are easily managed within the ecosystem of MRA
I totally agree with your comment above in general, but for those of us that do have “hundreds” of routes invested in the MRA Eco System, which for some also includes MRA Navigation, lets not pretend that it is a “Unicorn” solution.
You alluded to this in your comment to Nick regarding the CarPlay issue, that apparently dictates that MRA Navigation will never have a Folder Structure!95% of the time I use my Garmin Zumo XT for navigation and I always have my phone (Android) and a phone mount with me every time I go out for a ride as a back up.
5% of the time I choose to use MRA Navigation and will still have the Zumo XT with me as a back up.For those of us that do have “Hundreds” of routes and do use MRA Navigation, we have no choice but to “carry” all our routes all of the time, because they are automatically synced to MRA Navigation.
I personally never use events, as 95% of the time I prefer to travel alone, if am in a group ride I will never lead that group.My preference is to prep my routes for the day at home in MRA Route Planner.
Generally I will choose to head to a Biker Cafe somewhere for which I will have 5 or more different routes planned of varying lengths.
At this point I have no idea which route in that location I will want to ride.
Maybe I had too many sausages so only an hours ride will suffice, or maybe I want to make it a 4 hour stint.
I will prep all the rides in this area by going into each route in MRA Route Planner and just move the first waypoint a tiny bit, this will place those routes at the top of the list in MRA Navigation.
As I do this at home I am guaranteed an internet connection and will open MRA Navigation to ensure they are all available offline as well.On the Zumo XT I always carry these particular routes for all the Biker Cafes all the time in the Trip Planner.
“ I think you overestimate how many people work like you do?”
MRA has given us all the tools to work the way we want to .
Choices are a good thing.
You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.
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@con-hennekens said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
I may not have as many routes as you (I don't even know why I would want to) but large amounts of routes are easily managed within the ecosystem of MRA
I totally agree with your comment above in general, but for those of us that do have “hundreds” of routes invested in the MRA Eco System, which for some also includes MRA Navigation, lets not pretend that it is a “Unicorn” solution.
You alluded to this in your comment to Nick regarding the CarPlay issue, that apparently dictates that MRA Navigation will never have a Folder Structure!95% of the time I use my Garmin Zumo XT for navigation and I always have my phone (Android) and a phone mount with me every time I go out for a ride as a back up.
5% of the time I choose to use MRA Navigation and will still have the Zumo XT with me as a back up.For those of us that do have “Hundreds” of routes and do use MRA Navigation, we have no choice but to “carry” all our routes all of the time, because they are automatically synced to MRA Navigation.
I personally never use events, as 95% of the time I prefer to travel alone, if am in a group ride I will never lead that group.My preference is to prep my routes for the day at home in MRA Route Planner.
Generally I will choose to head to a Biker Cafe somewhere for which I will have 5 or more different routes planned of varying lengths.
At this point I have no idea which route in that location I will want to ride.
Maybe I had too many sausages so only an hours ride will suffice, or maybe I want to make it a 4 hour stint.
I will prep all the rides in this area by going into each route in MRA Route Planner and just move the first waypoint a tiny bit, this will place those routes at the top of the list in MRA Navigation.
As I do this at home I am guaranteed an internet connection and will open MRA Navigation to ensure they are all available offline as well.On the Zumo XT I always carry these particular routes for all the Biker Cafes all the time in the Trip Planner.
“ I think you overestimate how many people work like you do?”
MRA has given us all the tools to work the way we want to .
Choices are a good thing.@steve-lynch
Thanks for your elaborate description. I have a few comments.- Instead of relocating the first waypoint of a route in order to get them to the top of the list, you can simply choose edit (the pencil symbol) behind the route in your overview, and click save in the appearing window, without actually editing anything. That does the same but less work.
- If I am correct my Zumo 390 (that I left untouched for the past 3 years in favor of Navigation) can handle a maximum of 100 trips in the trip planner. It is HELL to scroll through so many routes on a Zumo, where also the Zumo does not use any folder structure.
- As a workaround you can put thousands of GPX files on an SD card and only import the ones you have interest in at a specific time, but also it is HELL to have to do that, and I am really unsure of the import function handles a folder structure. Maybe things improved on the XT, I really don't know, but Garmin is not known for such userfriendly things.
- Most Zumo users prepare their device before they leave and transfer routes they might have interest in to their device. I see little difference in how I prepare Navigation before I leave with putting routes at the top of the list, or put them in a "throw-away" event from within MRA.
- Using events has little to do with traveling in groups. As stated before it is just a method of distinguishing routes. With the added benefit of easy distribution, but you can leave out all whistles and bells if you have no interest in them.
- Yes choices are a good thing. I would like to choose for a folder structure as well, obviously. But it isn't there and for little people it is a showstopper. But I would welcome it very much.
- Regarding the Carplay statement, indeed I do not think that it is a real argument for not developing the folder-structure in Navigation. Navigation is much older than the Carplay compatibility. I think not allowing a folderstructure in Carplay has reasons of safety (searching while driving) but in my opinion searching through a much too long list is more evil than making multiple little uninterruptible steps searching through folders. I also think there MUST be a way to detect the use of carplay, and thus presenting a folderless list ONLY when connected through Carplay. Hopefuly MRA will research this option.
I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.
Streetpilot 2610/Zumo 660/Zumo 395/ CAT S52 + MRA app -
@steve-lynch
Thanks for your elaborate description. I have a few comments.- Instead of relocating the first waypoint of a route in order to get them to the top of the list, you can simply choose edit (the pencil symbol) behind the route in your overview, and click save in the appearing window, without actually editing anything. That does the same but less work.
- If I am correct my Zumo 390 (that I left untouched for the past 3 years in favor of Navigation) can handle a maximum of 100 trips in the trip planner. It is HELL to scroll through so many routes on a Zumo, where also the Zumo does not use any folder structure.
- As a workaround you can put thousands of GPX files on an SD card and only import the ones you have interest in at a specific time, but also it is HELL to have to do that, and I am really unsure of the import function handles a folder structure. Maybe things improved on the XT, I really don't know, but Garmin is not known for such userfriendly things.
- Most Zumo users prepare their device before they leave and transfer routes they might have interest in to their device. I see little difference in how I prepare Navigation before I leave with putting routes at the top of the list, or put them in a "throw-away" event from within MRA.
- Using events has little to do with traveling in groups. As stated before it is just a method of distinguishing routes. With the added benefit of easy distribution, but you can leave out all whistles and bells if you have no interest in them.
- Yes choices are a good thing. I would like to choose for a folder structure as well, obviously. But it isn't there and for little people it is a showstopper. But I would welcome it very much.
- Regarding the Carplay statement, indeed I do not think that it is a real argument for not developing the folder-structure in Navigation. Navigation is much older than the Carplay compatibility. I think not allowing a folderstructure in Carplay has reasons of safety (searching while driving) but in my opinion searching through a much too long list is more evil than making multiple little uninterruptible steps searching through folders. I also think there MUST be a way to detect the use of carplay, and thus presenting a folderless list ONLY when connected through Carplay. Hopefuly MRA will research this option.
Good tip for easily putting routes to the top of the list.
I’ll use that, thanks.The Garmin Zumo XT has Unlimited GPX Files, Unlimited Waypoints, 200 Waypoints per Route.
With the caveat below.
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@matt-flaming said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
And with the Zumo XT, we can transfer them wirelessly from our phone on the road.
I am still unsure where our differences come from. I also load any route, on my phone, on the road, with Navigation.
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@steve-lynch
Thanks for your elaborate description. I have a few comments.- Instead of relocating the first waypoint of a route in order to get them to the top of the list, you can simply choose edit (the pencil symbol) behind the route in your overview, and click save in the appearing window, without actually editing anything. That does the same but less work.
- If I am correct my Zumo 390 (that I left untouched for the past 3 years in favor of Navigation) can handle a maximum of 100 trips in the trip planner. It is HELL to scroll through so many routes on a Zumo, where also the Zumo does not use any folder structure.
- As a workaround you can put thousands of GPX files on an SD card and only import the ones you have interest in at a specific time, but also it is HELL to have to do that, and I am really unsure of the import function handles a folder structure. Maybe things improved on the XT, I really don't know, but Garmin is not known for such userfriendly things.
- Most Zumo users prepare their device before they leave and transfer routes they might have interest in to their device. I see little difference in how I prepare Navigation before I leave with putting routes at the top of the list, or put them in a "throw-away" event from within MRA.
- Using events has little to do with traveling in groups. As stated before it is just a method of distinguishing routes. With the added benefit of easy distribution, but you can leave out all whistles and bells if you have no interest in them.
- Yes choices are a good thing. I would like to choose for a folder structure as well, obviously. But it isn't there and for little people it is a showstopper. But I would welcome it very much.
- Regarding the Carplay statement, indeed I do not think that it is a real argument for not developing the folder-structure in Navigation. Navigation is much older than the Carplay compatibility. I think not allowing a folderstructure in Carplay has reasons of safety (searching while driving) but in my opinion searching through a much too long list is more evil than making multiple little uninterruptible steps searching through folders. I also think there MUST be a way to detect the use of carplay, and thus presenting a folderless list ONLY when connected through Carplay. Hopefuly MRA will research this option.
@con-hennekens said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
think not allowing a folderstructure in Carplay has reasons of safety (searching while driving) but in my opinion searching through a much too long list is more evil than making multiple little uninterruptible steps searching through folders. I also think there MUST be a way to detect the use of carplay, and thus presenting a folderless list ONLY when connected through Carplay.
For the sake of safety, MRA should block all user input (except those really relevant when driving) when the tool detects that it is driving.
It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby
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@con-hennekens said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
think not allowing a folderstructure in Carplay has reasons of safety (searching while driving) but in my opinion searching through a much too long list is more evil than making multiple little uninterruptible steps searching through folders. I also think there MUST be a way to detect the use of carplay, and thus presenting a folderless list ONLY when connected through Carplay.
For the sake of safety, MRA should block all user input (except those really relevant when driving) when the tool detects that it is driving.
@drabslab said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
For the sake of safety, MRA should block all user input (except those really relevant when driving) when the tool detects that it is driving.
Yes that is a good idea (leave skipping to next waypoint available!). But please make it a feature that can be disabled. Many users also use Navigation in cars campers or even sidecarts. And why would a passenger be obstructed in changing navigation parameters...
I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.
Streetpilot 2610/Zumo 660/Zumo 395/ CAT S52 + MRA app -
@drabslab said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
For the sake of safety, MRA should block all user input (except those really relevant when driving) when the tool detects that it is driving.
Yes that is a good idea (leave skipping to next waypoint available!). But please make it a feature that can be disabled. Many users also use Navigation in cars campers or even sidecarts. And why would a passenger be obstructed in changing navigation parameters...
@con-hennekens said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
@drabslab said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
For the sake of safety, MRA should block all user input (except those really relevant when driving) when the tool detects that it is driving.
Yes that is a good idea (leave skipping to next waypoint available!). But please make it a feature that can be disabled. Many users also use Navigation in cars campers or even sidecarts. And why would a passenger be obstructed in changing navigation parameters...
Indeed, adding it as an option is the best solution provided that the default is that this option is activated
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@mark-panarusky The reason that the folder structure is not used in MRA Navigation is Apple CarPlay doesn’t allow folders. If you have a group of routes that you plan to use on a tour, you can create an Event and add all of those routes to it. Choose Events from the opening page of MRA Navigation and select the route that you need. It’s very easy to do.
@nick-carthew How is it that Scenic navigation app allows folders and POI folders? It has Apple Car Play.
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