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6.0 Via Point announced as reached even though I did not reach it

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  • Herman Veldhuizen
    Herman Veldhuizen
    Herman Veldhuizen
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    #3

    this also happens with shaping points in release 5. I reported it a long time ago, but the issue was closed without any info.

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    • Herman Veldhuizen
      Herman Veldhuizen
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      wrote last edited by Herman Veldhuizen
      #4

      This is a typical scenario where this happens. Driving from bottom to top. Where I placed the red cross, the app thinks that the distance to point 2 is 0 and jumps to point 3. The good thing in this case is that it still sends me to point 2. The navigation skips point 2 first after I have ignored the instruction to turn right and crossed the round aboud.
      The logic is based on straight line distance I think but it doesnt explain why the distance falls down to 0. I hope one day it will take the route into consideration first of all.

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      • Herman Veldhuizen Herman Veldhuizen

        This is a typical scenario where this happens. Driving from bottom to top. Where I placed the red cross, the app thinks that the distance to point 2 is 0 and jumps to point 3. The good thing in this case is that it still sends me to point 2. The navigation skips point 2 first after I have ignored the instruction to turn right and crossed the round aboud.
        The logic is based on straight line distance I think but it doesnt explain why the distance falls down to 0. I hope one day it will take the route into consideration first of all.

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        Marinus van Deudekom
        Marinus van Deudekom
        Marinus van Deudekom
        RouteXpert
        wrote last edited by
        #5

        @Herman-Veldhuizen what is the distance between nr 2 and the route towards the roundabout.

        Honda Goldwing GL1500,
        Honda Silverwing GL 650
        DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
        Garmin XT sold
        Samsung S24FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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        • Lluis Arasanz
          Lluis Arasanz
          Lluis Arasanz
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          #6

          Hi,

          I also have another screnario I use to "check" automatically miss Shape points:

          imagen.jpeg

          Normally, I miss waypoint 8, but even it is near road I use (green line) Next always send me back to go througt it. Only wheh I pass road cross where the arrow is, it follows to waypoint 9.

          I tried to put wp 8 nearest to roundabout, but although Next announces it as "reached", the recalculation send me back again.

          Is like Next want to follow path line, even if it is not necessary.

          I know I'm a little curios, so, perhaps a tech doc explaining how waypoints logic for detect them (minimal distance to reach) anf how recalculation to get missed WP works...

          Regards

          Lluis Arasanz

          • BMW F750GS
            MotoMediaLink HW Interface for BMW's WonderWheel device
          • Samsung A14 with Beta MyRoute-App (primary bike use)
            Tasker and MMLink SW for Android App Control
          • iPhone 14 with Beta MyRoute-App (personal and primary CP use)
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          • Lluis Arasanz Lluis Arasanz

            Hi,

            I also have another screnario I use to "check" automatically miss Shape points:

            imagen.jpeg

            Normally, I miss waypoint 8, but even it is near road I use (green line) Next always send me back to go througt it. Only wheh I pass road cross where the arrow is, it follows to waypoint 9.

            I tried to put wp 8 nearest to roundabout, but although Next announces it as "reached", the recalculation send me back again.

            Is like Next want to follow path line, even if it is not necessary.

            I know I'm a little curios, so, perhaps a tech doc explaining how waypoints logic for detect them (minimal distance to reach) anf how recalculation to get missed WP works...

            Regards

            Marinus van Deudekom
            Marinus van Deudekom
            Marinus van Deudekom
            RouteXpert
            wrote last edited by
            #7

            @Lluis-Arasanz what happens if you put that point on the parallel road instead of just lost the roundabout

            Honda Goldwing GL1500,
            Honda Silverwing GL 650
            DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
            Garmin XT sold
            Samsung S24FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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            • Lluis Arasanz
              Lluis Arasanz
              Lluis Arasanz
              wrote last edited by
              #8

              @marinus-van-deudekom

              I'll check at evening (CET Time) and post what happens.

              Regards,

              Lluis Arasanz

              • BMW F750GS
                MotoMediaLink HW Interface for BMW's WonderWheel device
              • Samsung A14 with Beta MyRoute-App (primary bike use)
                Tasker and MMLink SW for Android App Control
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              • Marinus van Deudekom Marinus van Deudekom

                @Herman-Veldhuizen what is the distance between nr 2 and the route towards the roundabout.

                Herman Veldhuizen
                Herman Veldhuizen
                Herman Veldhuizen
                wrote last edited by Herman Veldhuizen
                #9

                @Marinus-van-Deudekom roughly 50m (and the distance measured along the route from the red cross to point 2 is roughly 150m). But even if the distance from the roundabout to point 2 would be 1km the app would still think that I had reached point 2 there where I placed the red cross.
                Ideally the app would use distances along the route from your current position to the virtual on the route projected point.
                That the distance drops from 100 to 0 a little early is probably related to the fact that the app appears to use 100m as the accuracy for shaping points. Would be nice to get 10m accuracy when approaching a shaping point, just like for the destination (via point).

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                • Herman Veldhuizen Herman Veldhuizen

                  @Marinus-van-Deudekom roughly 50m (and the distance measured along the route from the red cross to point 2 is roughly 150m). But even if the distance from the roundabout to point 2 would be 1km the app would still think that I had reached point 2 there where I placed the red cross.
                  Ideally the app would use distances along the route from your current position to the virtual on the route projected point.
                  That the distance drops from 100 to 0 a little early is probably related to the fact that the app appears to use 100m as the accuracy for shaping points. Would be nice to get 10m accuracy when approaching a shaping point, just like for the destination (via point).

                  Marinus van Deudekom
                  Marinus van Deudekom
                  Marinus van Deudekom
                  RouteXpert
                  wrote last edited by
                  #10

                  @Herman-Veldhuizen if you would draw a circle round that shapingpoint and you would be inside that circle MRA would asume you’ ve reached that viapoint. I believe that distance is 60 meters. So if the road parallel to that shapingpoint is about 50 meters from that point, it would be within the marge.

                  Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                  Honda Silverwing GL 650
                  DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                  Garmin XT sold
                  Samsung S24FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                  • Marinus van Deudekom Marinus van Deudekom

                    @Herman-Veldhuizen if you would draw a circle round that shapingpoint and you would be inside that circle MRA would asume you’ ve reached that viapoint. I believe that distance is 60 meters. So if the road parallel to that shapingpoint is about 50 meters from that point, it would be within the marge.

                    Herman Veldhuizen
                    Herman Veldhuizen
                    Herman Veldhuizen
                    wrote last edited by
                    #11

                    @Marinus-van-Deudekom Yes I understand. But I hope the app can do better in the future to avoid cases like these where the target point and ETA jump at unexpected moments. What I am seeing is that there are independent algorithms at work inside and that a better integration with the mapping sdk is probably needed. I am not critisizing, just observing.

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                    • Herman Veldhuizen Herman Veldhuizen

                      @Marinus-van-Deudekom Yes I understand. But I hope the app can do better in the future to avoid cases like these where the target point and ETA jump at unexpected moments. What I am seeing is that there are independent algorithms at work inside and that a better integration with the mapping sdk is probably needed. I am not critisizing, just observing.

                      Marinus van Deudekom
                      Marinus van Deudekom
                      Marinus van Deudekom
                      RouteXpert
                      wrote last edited by
                      #12

                      @Herman-Veldhuizen I Understand but I think its a compromize

                      Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                      Honda Silverwing GL 650
                      DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                      Garmin XT sold
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