Next+ 1st impressions
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Another test and the Here map showed itself to be many years out-of-date showing businesses that have not traded since before covid or simply showing them in the wrong place. Sorry, but I am now convinced that the subscription is not worth it for my needs.
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Another test and the Here map showed itself to be many years out-of-date showing businesses that have not traded since before covid or simply showing them in the wrong place. Sorry, but I am now convinced that the subscription is not worth it for my needs.
@Paul-Smith-3, you could try to correct it yourself. You don't need to correct all those you encounter, but you could check your own neighborhood to help others once each year. If no one does anything it won't get better. Usually Businesses do not call HERE when they stop or go bankrupt. But of course having critique is much easier...
I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
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@Paul-Smith-3 : I like to drive the way you want it, as often as I can, you should read the most important thing in the manual.
https://www.myrouteapp.com/support
In the user account then under the menu "Navigation settings / functions" you will find important settings
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@Paul-Smith-3 : I like to drive the way you want it, as often as I can, you should read the most important thing in the manual.
https://www.myrouteapp.com/support
In the user account then under the menu "Navigation settings / functions" you will find important settings
@Hubert-Thoring Thank you for treating me like an idiot and politely asking me to RTFM. As a new member with a really low post count your contribution goes a long way towards making me feel like a welcome and valued member of this community. </sarcasm>
Unfortunately, had you been willing to take a moment and actually read my post instead of just posting nonsense to increase your post count, you might have noticed that I mentioned (more than once) a suggestion to change the "DEFAULT" settings. Your "Valued Contributor" tag would earn far more respect had you been able to suggest even one single specific setting that would address any of the many points I raised.
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@Paul-Smith-3, you could try to correct it yourself. You don't need to correct all those you encounter, but you could check your own neighborhood to help others once each year. If no one does anything it won't get better. Usually Businesses do not call HERE when they stop or go bankrupt. But of course having critique is much easier...
@Con-Hennekens I take your point that the maps are a third party resource and can be improved with volunteer contributions, but how can I be expected to trust the maps for destinations I do not know when I know they are wrong for places I do know?
It forces me to ask whether Here maps are the right choice for MRA to use for navigation.
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@Hubert-Thoring Thank you for treating me like an idiot and politely asking me to RTFM. As a new member with a really low post count your contribution goes a long way towards making me feel like a welcome and valued member of this community. </sarcasm>
Unfortunately, had you been willing to take a moment and actually read my post instead of just posting nonsense to increase your post count, you might have noticed that I mentioned (more than once) a suggestion to change the "DEFAULT" settings. Your "Valued Contributor" tag would earn far more respect had you been able to suggest even one single specific setting that would address any of the many points I raised.
I just logged in to this forum for the first time in almost a year, and I actually laughed when I read through this thread.
Just search for posts with my username and you'll see that I was very much in the same boat that you are now last year. Obviously nothing has changed.
While doing a three week trip in the spring of 2025 in totally unfamiliar areas, and after spending MANY hours meticulously planning the trip in the online MRA route planner in advance, I experienced numerous MRA navigation issues that I documented to the forum that I took the time to do while on the trip. Not imagined issues.... documented oneswith screenshots and detailed explanations.
When I tried to discuss and understand how to work around these real issues here on the forum, I got the same type of useless responses that you just got from some of the "experienced" contributors. They seemingly didn't really read and/or understand what I was explaining, or they were purposely choosing to ignore it. It was very, very frustrating.
My perception was (and still is) that here on the forum it wasn't / isn't acceptable to post MRA issues or constructive criticism. If you did post an issue then it was assumed that you were either an idiot that couldn't read or comprehend the manual or MRA, or that you were just a complainer. I'm neither.
I finally gave up trying to get useful answers from this forum and used my backup Garmin XT using the .gpx files generated by MRA's route planner to finish the trip without surprises or issues.
I have lifetime subscriptions for all of the MRA products as I do believe in them. I'm very technically inclined and I am very familiar with most of the navigation apps and devices, their advantages and their weaknesses (MRA, Basecamp, Kurviger, multiple Garmin devices, Apple Carplay, DMD) etc.
I, like you, do read the manual thoroughly (which in MRA's case understandably does change constantly and isn't always current). I also personally take offense when someone lazily posts "RTFM" instead of taking the time to read and totally comprehend what I've taken the time to write and offer succinct advice on how to solve my issue.
IMO, this users' forum could, and would be MUCH more useful if the seasoned participants would be much less defensive about MRA's shortcomings, and offer direct, to-the-point help instead of condescending bulls***.
In 1996 (pre-Internet boom by a long shot) I started a technology businesses from the ground up culminating with over 30,000 subscription customers with an SAS business model and exiting with a sale to a global technology company. I'm not a technology rookie.
There's one thing that I learned very early on in my journey.... you can't fix a problem unless you 1) understand it and 2) admit that it's a problem. Ignoring a problem doesn't fix it..... ever!
Here's my recommendation..... If you, as experienced MRA users, wish to help MRA succeed, when a valid issue is raised on the forum your response should be "yes, we recognize that's a problem or limitation, and until it's resolved here's what we do to work around it."
I appreciate and respect that type of honest, intelligent and helpful response! I'm quite sure that others feel the same way!
Experienced MRA forum members that respond to forum posts regarding MRA problems or limitations with totally unhelpful and condescending replies, IMO, are ultimately being detrimental to the future success of MRA, and I'm sure that's not anyone's true intent!
MRA's developers, the program itself, and the MRA users overall are absolutely great. I would not take the time to write this if I didn't believe completely in the people and the product.
That said.... I have no doubt that I'm going to get blasted (again), but that's ok. Life goes on!
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I just logged in to this forum for the first time in almost a year, and I actually laughed when I read through this thread.
Just search for posts with my username and you'll see that I was very much in the same boat that you are now last year. Obviously nothing has changed.
While doing a three week trip in the spring of 2025 in totally unfamiliar areas, and after spending MANY hours meticulously planning the trip in the online MRA route planner in advance, I experienced numerous MRA navigation issues that I documented to the forum that I took the time to do while on the trip. Not imagined issues.... documented oneswith screenshots and detailed explanations.
When I tried to discuss and understand how to work around these real issues here on the forum, I got the same type of useless responses that you just got from some of the "experienced" contributors. They seemingly didn't really read and/or understand what I was explaining, or they were purposely choosing to ignore it. It was very, very frustrating.
My perception was (and still is) that here on the forum it wasn't / isn't acceptable to post MRA issues or constructive criticism. If you did post an issue then it was assumed that you were either an idiot that couldn't read or comprehend the manual or MRA, or that you were just a complainer. I'm neither.
I finally gave up trying to get useful answers from this forum and used my backup Garmin XT using the .gpx files generated by MRA's route planner to finish the trip without surprises or issues.
I have lifetime subscriptions for all of the MRA products as I do believe in them. I'm very technically inclined and I am very familiar with most of the navigation apps and devices, their advantages and their weaknesses (MRA, Basecamp, Kurviger, multiple Garmin devices, Apple Carplay, DMD) etc.
I, like you, do read the manual thoroughly (which in MRA's case understandably does change constantly and isn't always current). I also personally take offense when someone lazily posts "RTFM" instead of taking the time to read and totally comprehend what I've taken the time to write and offer succinct advice on how to solve my issue.
IMO, this users' forum could, and would be MUCH more useful if the seasoned participants would be much less defensive about MRA's shortcomings, and offer direct, to-the-point help instead of condescending bulls***.
In 1996 (pre-Internet boom by a long shot) I started a technology businesses from the ground up culminating with over 30,000 subscription customers with an SAS business model and exiting with a sale to a global technology company. I'm not a technology rookie.
There's one thing that I learned very early on in my journey.... you can't fix a problem unless you 1) understand it and 2) admit that it's a problem. Ignoring a problem doesn't fix it..... ever!
Here's my recommendation..... If you, as experienced MRA users, wish to help MRA succeed, when a valid issue is raised on the forum your response should be "yes, we recognize that's a problem or limitation, and until it's resolved here's what we do to work around it."
I appreciate and respect that type of honest, intelligent and helpful response! I'm quite sure that others feel the same way!
Experienced MRA forum members that respond to forum posts regarding MRA problems or limitations with totally unhelpful and condescending replies, IMO, are ultimately being detrimental to the future success of MRA, and I'm sure that's not anyone's true intent!
MRA's developers, the program itself, and the MRA users overall are absolutely great. I would not take the time to write this if I didn't believe completely in the people and the product.
That said.... I have no doubt that I'm going to get blasted (again), but that's ok. Life goes on!
@Steve-Jarrell very, very well said!!
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@Con-Hennekens I take your point that the maps are a third party resource and can be improved with volunteer contributions, but how can I be expected to trust the maps for destinations I do not know when I know they are wrong for places I do know?
It forces me to ask whether Here maps are the right choice for MRA to use for navigation.
@Paul-Smith-3 said in Next+ 1st impressions:
how can I be expected to trust the maps for destinations I do not know when I know they are wrong for places I do know?
That's a problem for ALL map providers, even the paper ones. Not trusting them by default leads you nowhere (quite literally in this case
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I just logged in to this forum for the first time in almost a year, and I actually laughed when I read through this thread.
Just search for posts with my username and you'll see that I was very much in the same boat that you are now last year. Obviously nothing has changed.
While doing a three week trip in the spring of 2025 in totally unfamiliar areas, and after spending MANY hours meticulously planning the trip in the online MRA route planner in advance, I experienced numerous MRA navigation issues that I documented to the forum that I took the time to do while on the trip. Not imagined issues.... documented oneswith screenshots and detailed explanations.
When I tried to discuss and understand how to work around these real issues here on the forum, I got the same type of useless responses that you just got from some of the "experienced" contributors. They seemingly didn't really read and/or understand what I was explaining, or they were purposely choosing to ignore it. It was very, very frustrating.
My perception was (and still is) that here on the forum it wasn't / isn't acceptable to post MRA issues or constructive criticism. If you did post an issue then it was assumed that you were either an idiot that couldn't read or comprehend the manual or MRA, or that you were just a complainer. I'm neither.
I finally gave up trying to get useful answers from this forum and used my backup Garmin XT using the .gpx files generated by MRA's route planner to finish the trip without surprises or issues.
I have lifetime subscriptions for all of the MRA products as I do believe in them. I'm very technically inclined and I am very familiar with most of the navigation apps and devices, their advantages and their weaknesses (MRA, Basecamp, Kurviger, multiple Garmin devices, Apple Carplay, DMD) etc.
I, like you, do read the manual thoroughly (which in MRA's case understandably does change constantly and isn't always current). I also personally take offense when someone lazily posts "RTFM" instead of taking the time to read and totally comprehend what I've taken the time to write and offer succinct advice on how to solve my issue.
IMO, this users' forum could, and would be MUCH more useful if the seasoned participants would be much less defensive about MRA's shortcomings, and offer direct, to-the-point help instead of condescending bulls***.
In 1996 (pre-Internet boom by a long shot) I started a technology businesses from the ground up culminating with over 30,000 subscription customers with an SAS business model and exiting with a sale to a global technology company. I'm not a technology rookie.
There's one thing that I learned very early on in my journey.... you can't fix a problem unless you 1) understand it and 2) admit that it's a problem. Ignoring a problem doesn't fix it..... ever!
Here's my recommendation..... If you, as experienced MRA users, wish to help MRA succeed, when a valid issue is raised on the forum your response should be "yes, we recognize that's a problem or limitation, and until it's resolved here's what we do to work around it."
I appreciate and respect that type of honest, intelligent and helpful response! I'm quite sure that others feel the same way!
Experienced MRA forum members that respond to forum posts regarding MRA problems or limitations with totally unhelpful and condescending replies, IMO, are ultimately being detrimental to the future success of MRA, and I'm sure that's not anyone's true intent!
MRA's developers, the program itself, and the MRA users overall are absolutely great. I would not take the time to write this if I didn't believe completely in the people and the product.
That said.... I have no doubt that I'm going to get blasted (again), but that's ok. Life goes on!
@Steve-Jarrell said in Next+ 1st impressions:
I have no doubt that I'm going to get blasted (again), but that's ok. Life goes on!
You are blasting yourself and then surprised that you could be blasted back? I do not share your experience, and do find this a community forum where many volunteers as well as developers actually listen and try to help. Just don't expect them to always agree with you.
Like you say: Life goes on. But somehow you felt the need to look back?
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Anyone involved in software is either a user or a developer.
To the developer, the user is the person who simply doesn’t understand their brilliant ideas and then gets everything wrong.
To the user, the developer is the person who comes up with great things that nobody needs and that often don’t even work.In user-centred development, such as myrouteapp, the developer tries to meet the user’s needs.
This leads to more and more features being implemented.
This results in a growing number of parameters in the programme, the significance of which is often not sufficiently considered and which are frequently used incorrectly.
And even if everything runs smoothly at this level, the map provider steps in and provides inaccurate data, which in turn leads to unexpected changes to the route.
The Google type enters a destination and expects the sat-nav to take them there. They don’t want to think, they just want to arrive.
The myrouteapp type wants to have a pleasant journey and arrive at the end. The journey is the most important thing; the destination is secondary.
Every sat-nav system starts out as Google.
Then there are options to modify the expected route, such as avoiding motorways…
There are various route engines: myrouteapp-Here, TomTom, OSM, Garmin.
These use not only different maps but also route algorithms with different parameters.
MRA stands out because the user/planner can configure these various options themselves.
But in the end, the engine starts up and the sat-nav begins building the route from scratch again. Roadworks, road closures and accidents are taken into account. And suddenly I’m driving round the mountain on the left rather than the right.The only option is to plan the route yourself so that you get where you want to go.
This must then take into account the various maps, route algorithms and known road closures, etc.For a 3,500 km journey through the Alps, I expect a driving time of over 70 hours.
On my trips, the time spent on preparation and planning always exceeds the actual driving time.You felt being called an idiot; that had something to do with the defaults.
There are no defaults in MRA; you get those from Google.
There’s your planning, and then in the navigation app there are presets that are appropriate for your situation and, above all, for your style of planning.
Unfortunately, that takes work – many hours…
This work can be made easier, because there are many experienced people in this forum who have already planned exactly this kind of journey.
But they’re not keen on helping someone who thinks they’ve already done everything right and then complains. Sorry about that.Once you’ve started your planning, feel free to post it here, and there’ll definitely be people here who’ll take a look and help you.
This is a forum for enthusiasts who are passionate about the subject.
And it’s a forum that developers read too. That’s the only way MRA could have become so excellent.
And if something doesn’t work, be honest enough to consider that perhaps you caused it, rather than a bug in the software.
That’s how MRA and Next have become what they are today. Help make it even better.
RTI’m known for plastering the whole screen with stuff, but you started it… :-))
