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  • Reinhard-32undefined Offline
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    Have a look at this thread:

    https://forum.myrouteapp.com/topic/6599/my-route-app-and-garmin-zumo-xt2?_=1717447484867

    Kindly regards
    Reinhard

    ZumoXT, Zumo 590, Montana 700i and Mac

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    • austin 1undefined austin 1

      I've recently added an XT2 to my stable and have run into an odd problem.

      Garmin documentation indicates the XT2 is no longer compatible with Garmin Basecamp. That in itself is not a surprise. What is a surprise is Garmin insists only output from the Garmin Tread application is compatible with the XT2.

      I've tried importing MRA gpx files in v1.1 and v1.2 format and neither work

      The only reliable workaround I've discovered is to delete any route files from MRA and convert the track files that are also sent along into routes. Somewhat cumbersome.

      Does anyone know if Garmin has adopted a more recent .gpx file format version or have they moved the route file format version into the 'private and not published' status?

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      Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
      Instructor RouteXperts
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      @austin-1
      Gpx 1.1 and 1.2 works great in the XT2

      Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
      Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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      • Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

        @austin-1
        Gpx 1.1 and 1.2 works great in the XT2

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        @Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA said in Zumo XT2 and Garmin Tread app:

        @austin-1
        Gpx 1.1 and 1.2 works great in the XT2

        I'm not finding that to be the case. The only GPX version that my XT2 is accepting is 1.0; all the other versions cause the XT2 to choke when trying to recalculate the route for the selected vehicle profile (motorcycle). This is going to be very frustrating because all my shaping points will get called-out as waypoints.

        Note I'm transferring GPX files via the Garmin Tread app, as the built-in connector in MRA doesn't recognize my XT2 (even though Basecamp does).

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        • Blake Sobiloffundefined Blake Sobiloff

          @Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA said in Zumo XT2 and Garmin Tread app:

          @austin-1
          Gpx 1.1 and 1.2 works great in the XT2

          I'm not finding that to be the case. The only GPX version that my XT2 is accepting is 1.0; all the other versions cause the XT2 to choke when trying to recalculate the route for the selected vehicle profile (motorcycle). This is going to be very frustrating because all my shaping points will get called-out as waypoints.

          Note I'm transferring GPX files via the Garmin Tread app, as the built-in connector in MRA doesn't recognize my XT2 (even though Basecamp does).

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          @Blake-Sobiloff

          That all the shaping points are called is because you use the gpx 1.0

          Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
          Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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          • Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

            @Blake-Sobiloff

            That all the shaping points are called is because you use the gpx 1.0

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            @Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA said in Zumo XT2 and Garmin Tread app:

            @Blake-Sobiloff

            That all the shaping points are called is because you use the gpx 1.0

            Agree! I'd rather use GPX 1.1 or 1.2, but the routes exported from MRA aren't accepted by the XT2. Can't figure out why GPX 1.1 (or 1.2) are working for others, but not me.

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            • Blake Sobiloffundefined Blake Sobiloff

              @Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA said in Zumo XT2 and Garmin Tread app:

              @Blake-Sobiloff

              That all the shaping points are called is because you use the gpx 1.0

              Agree! I'd rather use GPX 1.1 or 1.2, but the routes exported from MRA aren't accepted by the XT2. Can't figure out why GPX 1.1 (or 1.2) are working for others, but not me.

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              Instructor RouteXperts
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              @Blake-Sobiloff

              Please share the url of your route. Make sure it is set to publuc

              Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
              Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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              • Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

                @Blake-Sobiloff

                Please share the url of your route. Make sure it is set to publuc

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                @Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA said in Zumo XT2 and Garmin Tread app:

                @Blake-Sobiloff

                Please share the url of your route. Make sure it is set to publuc

                https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/9352606

                Thanks for taking a look!

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                • Blake Sobiloffundefined Blake Sobiloff

                  @Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA said in Zumo XT2 and Garmin Tread app:

                  @Blake-Sobiloff

                  Please share the url of your route. Make sure it is set to publuc

                  https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/9352606

                  Thanks for taking a look!

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                  Reinhard-32
                  wrote on last edited by Reinhard-32
                  #9

                  @Blake-Sobiloff Some of the waypoints are not exactly placed. It is recommended to put all waypoints exactly on the road and not several meters or yards besides the roads. Otherwise the import can fail.

                  IMG_6715.jpeg

                  IMG_6714.jpeg

                  Kindly regards
                  Reinhard

                  ZumoXT, Zumo 590, Montana 700i and Mac

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                  • Reinhard-32undefined Reinhard-32

                    @Blake-Sobiloff Some of the waypoints are not exactly placed. It is recommended to put all waypoints exactly on the road and not several meters or yards besides the roads. Otherwise the import can fail.

                    IMG_6715.jpeg

                    IMG_6714.jpeg

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                    Blake Sobiloff
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                    @Reinhard-32 said in Zumo XT2 and Garmin Tread app:

                    @Blake-Sobiloff Some of the waypoints are not exactly placed. It is recommended to put all waypoints exactly on the toad an not several meters or yards besides the roads. Otherwise the import can fail.

                    Sure enough, that seemed to be the problem—I had the waypoints for my stops on the actual gas station or restaurant, not on the road closest to them. Now I've been able to import ".gpx 1.1 (route, track, POI)" and the XT2 will succeed in recalculating the route! Yea!

                    However, it's still treating my shaping points as waypoints. 😢 I can manually change those on the XT2, but I'm going to play around with some of the other export options and see if they'll let me avoid that manual effort.

                    Thanks!

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                    • Blake Sobiloffundefined Blake Sobiloff

                      @Reinhard-32 said in Zumo XT2 and Garmin Tread app:

                      @Blake-Sobiloff Some of the waypoints are not exactly placed. It is recommended to put all waypoints exactly on the toad an not several meters or yards besides the roads. Otherwise the import can fail.

                      Sure enough, that seemed to be the problem—I had the waypoints for my stops on the actual gas station or restaurant, not on the road closest to them. Now I've been able to import ".gpx 1.1 (route, track, POI)" and the XT2 will succeed in recalculating the route! Yea!

                      However, it's still treating my shaping points as waypoints. 😢 I can manually change those on the XT2, but I'm going to play around with some of the other export options and see if they'll let me avoid that manual effort.

                      Thanks!

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                      Blake Sobiloff
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                      @Blake-Sobiloff said in Zumo XT2 and Garmin Tread app:

                      However, it's still treating my shaping points as waypoints. 😢 I can manually change those on the XT2, but I'm going to play around with some of the other export options and see if they'll let me avoid that manual effort.

                      Hmm, I deleted and re-imported a few times and it eventually recognized the shaping points as shaping points. Flakey Garmin… 🙄

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                      • Carl Leeundefined Offline
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                        Carl Lee
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                        #12

                        Brand new XT2, spent the afternoon dewiring and rewiring the bike, splicing a fuse in etc etc. Only the fact I did all that meant that the unit didn't get sent back. I'm fairly nav savvy but how frustrating!

                        Anyway, here is my (hopeful) solution to getting a MRA route into the XT2:

                        Build the route using HERE, motorcycle mode, expand the number of shaping points to approx 25/100miles. Hit the MRA down arrow but only to download in GPX 1.1. I’ve tried the others with no luck, the unit or Explore doesn’t seem to like 1.2. Then open Tread and import your gpx. Then edit the route, let it calculate and rename it (just add a 1 or whatever). Click the close X and save.
                        This seems to work for me.

                        Now, anyone tell me how I also make the track visible without all the palaver of stopping Explore?

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                        • austin 1undefined austin 1

                          I've recently added an XT2 to my stable and have run into an odd problem.

                          Garmin documentation indicates the XT2 is no longer compatible with Garmin Basecamp. That in itself is not a surprise. What is a surprise is Garmin insists only output from the Garmin Tread application is compatible with the XT2.

                          I've tried importing MRA gpx files in v1.1 and v1.2 format and neither work

                          The only reliable workaround I've discovered is to delete any route files from MRA and convert the track files that are also sent along into routes. Somewhat cumbersome.

                          Does anyone know if Garmin has adopted a more recent .gpx file format version or have they moved the route file format version into the 'private and not published' status?

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                          Lynchy67
                          wrote on last edited by Lynchy67
                          #13

                          @austin-1 said in Zumo XT2 and Garmin Tread app:

                          Garmin insists only output from the Garmin Tread application is compatible with the XT2

                          This is absolute nonsense.
                          You can use 1.1 and 1.2 using Garmin Express without ever having to use the awfull Tread App.

                          You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                          • Lynchy67undefined Lynchy67

                            @austin-1 said in Zumo XT2 and Garmin Tread app:

                            Garmin insists only output from the Garmin Tread application is compatible with the XT2

                            This is absolute nonsense.
                            You can use 1.1 and 1.2 using Garmin Express without ever having to use the awfull Tread App.

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                            @Lynchy67 i think you mean Garmin explore instead of garmin express

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                            • truckpilotundefined truckpilot

                              @Lynchy67 i think you mean Garmin explore instead of garmin express

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                              Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
                              Instructor RouteXperts
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                              @truckpilot

                              With a windows PC you can use the connector
                              With a Mac, save the route as (gpx 1.1 or gpx 1.2) and with Android File Transfer, transfer the route tot youte XT2 to the gpx folder.
                              When using the MRA App and the Tread App use the gpx 1.1 file, because Garmin Explore makes a mess of the gpx 1.2 file.

                              Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
                              Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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                              • truckpilotundefined truckpilot

                                @Lynchy67 i think you mean Garmin explore instead of garmin express

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                                @truckpilot
                                No, I really do mean Garmin Express.
                                It allows you to easily upload your gpx files diretly into the GPX Folder on the XT2

                                You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                                  #17

                                  Been playing a little more with this thing. I'm now happy that my system works fine to wirelessly import MRA routes and tracks in GPX 1.1 (auto recalculate in auto). Important for when on bike tours away from a computer.

                                  Using the MRA wired connector also means you can import GPX 1.2 files in the normal way which is great as these follow your track exactly (auto recalculate off).

                                  I've also found how to make a track visible under the route. On the main map, click on Layers - Collections - Unorganised. Make sure first to make the intended track your colour of choice (black seems to work best), make it widest and 'show on top'. Your other tracks may be there but they will probably be yellow. Obviously, reorganise or delete after use to avoid confusion.

                                  I hope I'm not teaching anyone to suck eggs and this is useful. At least it's a starting point to develop further discussion.

                                  Maybe a new GPX will get created to work with Garmin Explore.

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                                  • Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

                                    @truckpilot

                                    With a windows PC you can use the connector
                                    With a Mac, save the route as (gpx 1.1 or gpx 1.2) and with Android File Transfer, transfer the route tot youte XT2 to the gpx folder.
                                    When using the MRA App and the Tread App use the gpx 1.1 file, because Garmin Explore makes a mess of the gpx 1.2 file.

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                                    @Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA thanks, good info and I'm getting to grips with it now.

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                                    • Lynchy67undefined Lynchy67

                                      @truckpilot
                                      No, I really do mean Garmin Express.
                                      It allows you to easily upload your gpx files diretly into the GPX Folder on the XT2

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                                      @Lynchy67
                                      Ok. Can you explain please how to do this?
                                      At this moment i can’t find any button or something else to import .gpx file to the unit.

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                                      • truckpilotundefined truckpilot

                                        @Lynchy67
                                        Ok. Can you explain please how to do this?
                                        At this moment i can’t find any button or something else to import .gpx file to the unit.

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                                        @truckpilot

                                        In Google type Garmin Express Download.
                                        Start Garmin Express.
                                        Then Plug the XT/XT2 into your Laptop.
                                        It will take a few minutes for the XT/XT2 to Sync.

                                        You will hear a beep when the XT/XT2 is synced.

                                        XT2 Synced.png

                                        Go to the GPX Folder.

                                        Screenshot 2024-07-16 215313.png

                                        Paste your GPX Files into the GPX Folder.

                                        Screenshot 2024-07-16 215618.png

                                        Disconnect the XT/XT2 and power it up. It will ask you to select the files you wish to import.
                                        Job Done.

                                        If you are on a Mac I can't help with that.

                                        You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                                        • Lynchy67undefined Lynchy67

                                          @truckpilot

                                          In Google type Garmin Express Download.
                                          Start Garmin Express.
                                          Then Plug the XT/XT2 into your Laptop.
                                          It will take a few minutes for the XT/XT2 to Sync.

                                          You will hear a beep when the XT/XT2 is synced.

                                          XT2 Synced.png

                                          Go to the GPX Folder.

                                          Screenshot 2024-07-16 215313.png

                                          Paste your GPX Files into the GPX Folder.

                                          Screenshot 2024-07-16 215618.png

                                          Disconnect the XT/XT2 and power it up. It will ask you to select the files you wish to import.
                                          Job Done.

                                          If you are on a Mac I can't help with that.

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                                          @Lynchy67 strange because i do not need garmin express to connect my xt to windows pc. i only have to use it to update mijn garmin's.

                                          i just connect xt wired to pc and i can copy gpx.

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