Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route

[Thomas Scharrer]

@Con-Hennekens I have seen the same problem but I didnt even report it until I saw this thread because I thought something is wrong with my specific system since thousands of people are using MRA without this crazy problem, now however I see that this is in fact problem.

Please note that I am not using carplay, just the phone and I am also not able to operate the phone constatly when riding motor bike.
The result of this is that I am getting totally crazy instructions. It is in my opinion impossible to plan a longer route so exact that you can only stop on pre-defined stops etc. I need to take a break sometimes when I see a nice place or fill up fuel etc.
After such a stop, even if I am exactly on the route I have planned again, I am getting loads of crazy instruction to turn right, left or turn around etc which make no sense at all because I am driving on the actual route.
Sorry but this is not navigation, its creates total confusion.

I really hope that this will be fixed in the next version.

[Stefan Hummelink]

@Thomas-Scharrer said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:

It is in my opinion impossible to plan a longer route so exact that you can only stop on pre-defined stops etc.

Surely this is possible, it just takes some additional research haha. Nevertheless is somehow find yourself deviating from your route because of a stop you did not plan beforehand, it makes total sense the app is continuously recalculating and eventually even skipping your upcoming waypoints. How can the app know you're not deviating due to roadworks but instead are only going to a restaurant? It simply cannot. These are jmho special circumstances that require special attention.

If you notice at the unplanned stop, the app skipped 3 waypoints, simply long press and start from the nearest WP when moving out again.

If the app still messes things up after doing the long press, I agree the app is showing some faulty behaviour.

But suggesting the app should not skip anything when deviating to go to a unplanned restaurant but expecting it to skip when you do the exact same but now due to encountered roadworks or whatsoever makes no sense at all haha.

@Thomas-Scharrer said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:

no sense at all because I am driving on the actual route.

Please note you're navigating a route, not a track. "being on the route" is not the same as "being on the track" for that matter. You can be on the route, but it can be calculating to some waypoint you passed or upcoming but not where you expect it. Therefore the app does what it is supposed to do, direct you to the next waypoint whichever that may be.

[Thomas Scharrer]

@Stefan-Hummelink I am not even talking about a longer detour or deviation from the route to find a restaurant etc, I am talking about stiff like driving 20m off into a parking place or so.
After that stop and these 40m deviation from the route I am again joining the planned route and and I think any other navigation system would recognize that but for some reason MRA doesnt and creates completely crazy directions.
If you think this is how it is supposed to be then I am not able to use MRA for navigation and there is no point to create and navigate a route if the system does not follow it at all even if you are on the route.

When I export my routes to my beeline system and I have a deviation of the route as mentioned, it immediately recognices the route again when I am back on it

[Con Hennekens]

@Thomas-Scharrer, big improvements to the skip algorithm will be available from the next public update. The behaviour like you describe in my opinion will be one of the fixes.

[Thomas Scharrer]

@Con-Hennekens Thanks, thats great to hear. When will be update be available?

[Con Hennekens]

@Thomas-Scharrer, whenever it finishes being beta only
Really, that's up to the devs, I can't tell you.

[Stefan Hummelink]

@Peter-Schiefer said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:

If you deviate from the route for other reasons, the system always calculates the next possible suitable point on the original route, whether this is 30 meters back from a petrol station or a U turn around a block of houses

Well the most import difference here is that we, in general, when using MRA next are navigating a pre-planned route using those waypoints! That is very much different from an a2b route as we generally use in car nav systems or similar! You tell the nav to route you on a pre-planned path, any other system as you refer to is simply instructed to guide to from start to end, no matter the roads it seems fit to do so! This is a major differences in the two distinct scenarios.

Your answer seems to indicate you've misinterpreted my post as a negative critique to @Thomas-Scharrer which is definitely not the case. I was merely putting forth my opinion regarding the statement that it does not make sense the app is autoskipping waypoints when deviating from the route.

Now Thomas mentioned specially in the post above, which came before this post from me as a response to yours haha, that his deviation from the route was only a few meters. That makes it a whole different story.

Yet, the mechanism in general, still holds.

@Peter-Schiefer said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:

Since MRA only takes route closures into account in the initial calculation or already in the planning stage, if stored in HERE, automatic skipping should not exist at all.

I never referred to the traffic information from HERE nor the handling of the app regarding that info. I mentioned roadworks as a practical example of things you can encounter during your trip, that make you explicitly deviate from your meticulously pre-planned route.

[Stefan Hummelink]

@Thomas-Scharrer said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:

If you think this is how it is supposed to be

If these are the distances at play, no that is surely not how it should work. See my post above as response to @Peter-Schiefer.

[Con Hennekens]

@Peter-Schiefer said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:

Since MRA only takes route closures into account in the initial calculation or already in the planning stage, if stored in HERE, automatic skipping should not exist at all. What are the rules or reasons for this?

This is a curious question. Closures are taken into account in each and every calculation, whether in the planning state or during navigation. Except when "disable seasonal closures" is enabled in planning, or "traffic aware route calculation" is disabled in the app's navigation settings. Disabling seasonal closures in the planner has no effect whatsoever during calculations while navigating. Besides, all this, closures can change in the time between planning and navigating.

Also, many times auto-skip is not triggered by closures, but by taking wrong turns, or avoiding heavy traffic for example. So yeah automatic skipping should definitely exist...

[Con Hennekens]

@Peter-Schiefer said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:

up to now MRA says we have no Live Traffic or TMC connection and cannot react to traffic change during the route.
Are I am wrong?

The app DOES have live traffic data, but it is not being used to update your route continuously, or give out suggestions for more time-optimal changes while navigating. This is something that is on the list, but given the use case for scenic multi-waypoint routes (which is the main reason for founding at all) not a high priority yet.

However, the live traffic data (no TMC but internet) IS being used for route calculations. Also while in online mode during navigating you can see by the color of the road the delay on your route.

Last week I sent a note confirmed by other members too that MRA wants to route you back to the original route even when ther is a real better option present and this without additional waypoints only from A detected by GPS to B my home.

in A2B routes there is not such a thing as being routed back to the route. You are being directed to the next waypoint, and in an A2B route that happens to be the final destination. If you think that after a recalculation the suggested route is not logical, you and the algorithm disagree about what's logical That happens for me in Google maps also very often, probably because I am more stubborn that it

On the other hand MRA seems to skip waypoint far ahead if you only deviate by entering a filling station.

As mentioned earlier, big steps are taken in the upcoming public release.

[GT JWR]

@Con-Hennekens said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:

The app DOES have live traffic data, but it is not being used to update your route continuously, or give out suggestions for more time-optimal changes while navigating.

This, right here, is the first time I've seen it explained...now it makes sense. I believe that the belief was that it would do this, as do other services such as Google or Apple Maps.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[Jörgen Johansson]

@Corjan-Meijerink I see now that 4.1.3 is in my Iphone 14 Pro Max. Will make some test rides Wed 15 and Thurs 16 and reply back with my experiences after that!

[Jörgen Johansson]

@Corjan-Meijerink said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:

@Jörgen-Johansson You never need to skip one by one
Simply long press the waypoint on either the map or in the waypoint list to resume from there.

If autoskip shows weird behavior, just turn it off.
4.1.3 will include significant improvements. Release will be early next week.

Well, I have now tested the new update and I can notice an improvement in how the system treats the via-/waypoints in a better way. Good Job!
I'm now planning a 700 km route for coming Tuesday, will reply back again after that.

I have also learned now that when being in a very busy area it is better to have the settings to not skip waypoints automatically.

[Walter Inacker]

It is still not possible to skip waypoints in Apple CarPlay. I have therefore set the setting to automatic skipping. If you leave the planned route, e.g. because of roadworks or you simply want to avoid traffic and take a different route, MRA keeps sending you back to the old route. Today I was supposed to drive 40km back to the old waypoint even though I was 5km from my destination. The only thing that helps is to stop, cancel the route and plan a new route.

[Walter Inacker]

I tested the update today, the route points can now be skipped manually in Apple Carplay, so far it has worked without any errors. Automatically skipping waypoints also works better now. Good job

[Thomas Scharrer]

@Con-Hennekens @Corjan-Meijerink

I have now tested the new version 4.1.3 thoroughly on a several days MC tour in the Norwegian mountains and I have to say that this was the first tour where I could actually use MRA because it didnt create a complete navigation mess.

I had created my route in advance and the automatically skipping of waypoints is working much better now.

So this was an extreme improvement and all in all I would say MRA worked 95% well on this tour.

There are however still some small issues:

• A couple of times MRA insisted on re-directing me from my planned route due to some roadworks etc. I didnt follow this suggestion and continued on my route as I had planned it. MRA tried for a long time to redirect me and I got lots of crazy commands in this period.
  It turned out that my planned route was not blocked and there were no road works or road blocks.
  So my question is, if you have planned a route specifically as you want to drive it, shouldnt MRA in the first place try to follow this route because thats the idea when planning a route and not just asking for navigation from A to B?

Anyway thanks a lot for this update because now I can finally really use MRA!

[Con Hennekens]

@Thomas-Scharrer said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:

if you have planned a route specifically as you want to drive it, shouldnt MRA in the first place try to follow this route because thats the idea when planning a route

Yes this is a valid point But it is a VERY thin line between skipping too quickly moving forward on your route to soon, and getting senselessly send back into the route. It will always be a trade-off.

[Jörgen Johansson]

@Jörgen-Johansson After close to 1000 km with the 4.1.3 version I would say the problem is solved!
It's not perfect (our world isn't)but it works maybe 8 out of 10 with the setting "automatically skip waypoints - ON". In my opinion the OFF setting is the best when the planned route is really important since the passed via-/waypoints are all automatically skipped anyway. So, you're fully in control if you leave the route and later want to pick up where you left.

So, problem solved, thanks!

[Con Hennekens]

@Jörgen-Johansson, That's of course true, but I would like to stress that you are as much fully in control with the auto-skipp setting enabled as well. The function does not limit control by manual intervention in any way.

[Jörgen Johansson]

@Con-Hennekens Hi! I have (still after the update) experienced issues in two occasions when the app skips several shaping/via/waypoints when leaving the route for an unplanned newly discovered coffee shop. Hence my comment on the manual setting.