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  • Stefan Hummelinkundefined Stefan Hummelink

    @Corjan-Meijerink @Stuart-Greer I have found some very interesting results.

    If I run the MRA app stand-alone I get a delay on the cursor of about 20m while doing 30km/h and about 100m/150m while doing 80km/h. That comes down to a delay of approximately 3 to 5 seconds.

    Now here comes the interesting result: If I run the MRA app in conjunction with another GPS demanding app, such as FlitsMeister or GoogleMaps, the position of the cursor is almost spot on!

    During a ride, switching FlitsMeister on-and off, consistently toggles the delay to be present or not... Somehow, at least on my OnePlus 6, there seems to be a correlation between other apps requesting GPS data as well.

    @Stuart-Greer Can you try to confirm this behaviour? Open FlitsMeister and leave it running in the background, then start a route using MRA Navigation (Next) in the currently launched MyRoute-App Mobile app. Then switch off or swipe away the FlitsMeister app and proceed with the route. Notice any difference in position delay?

    Please post your findings here!

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    @StefanHummelink thanks Stefan, the time lag you mention is spot on and something I have timed on the bike and also in the car using android auto. When I mentioned 120m it was at 100lm/hr.
    I will try it alongside google maps and get back to you.
    The app is really good and getting better all the time

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    • Stuart Greerundefined Stuart Greer

      @StefanHummelink thanks Stefan, the time lag you mention is spot on and something I have timed on the bike and also in the car using android auto. When I mentioned 120m it was at 100lm/hr.
      I will try it alongside google maps and get back to you.
      The app is really good and getting better all the time

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      @Stuart-Greer Great, I am very curious!

      If you're phone supports split screen, you could really run the apps in parallel. Perhaps make a screen recording to see whether the track line in relation to the cursor changes. In my case I can observe a very distinct change when it comes to the track line relative to the cursor. 😃

      Manks bu'j te bange.

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        Hi @StefanHummelink @Stuart-Greer I have been using Flitsmeister in the background previously when running the MRA app on Android and I thought I would check your observations about improved position and less lag. I was running the iOS version alongside on CatPlay to compare and it does appear to significantly improve the lag issue. Whereas I had previously observed about a 4 second lag, the location appears to be spot on and the same compared with iOS when Flitsmeister is running in the background.

        Useful to get @Corjan-Meijerink view on this.

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          This is all very interesting indeed!
          My testing device for Android has no other apps installed that use location services - only MRA.
          My positioning is spot on like with iOS or your observation with another app running.

          We will definitely use these findings to further investigate 🙂

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          • Dave J 0undefined Dave J 0

            Hi @StefanHummelink @Stuart-Greer I have been using Flitsmeister in the background previously when running the MRA app on Android and I thought I would check your observations about improved position and less lag. I was running the iOS version alongside on CatPlay to compare and it does appear to significantly improve the lag issue. Whereas I had previously observed about a 4 second lag, the location appears to be spot on and the same compared with iOS when Flitsmeister is running in the background.

            Useful to get @Corjan-Meijerink view on this.

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            @Dave-J-0 Oh nice you also came along to check upon this! Thanks! This surely helps 😃

            I'm happy to see the observations by you are identical. That makes two of us and it means I am not a loner hahah!

            Manks bu'j te bange.

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            • Stefan Hummelinkundefined Stefan Hummelink

              @Dave-J-0 Oh nice you also came along to check upon this! Thanks! This surely helps 😃

              I'm happy to see the observations by you are identical. That makes two of us and it means I am not a loner hahah!

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              @StefanHummelink could not leave you as a loner. Ha ha

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              • Stefan Hummelinkundefined Stefan Hummelink

                @Stuart-Greer Great, I am very curious!

                If you're phone supports split screen, you could really run the apps in parallel. Perhaps make a screen recording to see whether the track line in relation to the cursor changes. In my case I can observe a very distinct change when it comes to the track line relative to the cursor. 😃

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                @StefanHummelink hi Stephan, as per your suggestion I ran both apps in split screen this morning on a run into Glasgow City centre and it was perfect. I had it zoomed in to the max and it was as good as any sat nav.
                Thanks for your help

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                • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                  This is all very interesting indeed!
                  My testing device for Android has no other apps installed that use location services - only MRA.
                  My positioning is spot on like with iOS or your observation with another app running.

                  We will definitely use these findings to further investigate 🙂

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                  @Corjan-Meijerink excellent, the app is really good and getting better and better.
                  Looking forward to the camper functionality in the future

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                    @StefanHummelink @Stuart-Greer Just done some more testing this morning and you really notice the difference and lag (especially when turning) after Flitsmeister running in the background is closed. Turned Flitsmeister off and on multiple times during a route to double check what we are seeing. Really strange but with Flitsmeister on in the background, the position is spot on and direction changes quick.

                    Kind Regards. Help where I can.
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                    • Dave J 0undefined Dave J 0

                      @StefanHummelink @Stuart-Greer Just done some more testing this morning and you really notice the difference and lag (especially when turning) after Flitsmeister running in the background is closed. Turned Flitsmeister off and on multiple times during a route to double check what we are seeing. Really strange but with Flitsmeister on in the background, the position is spot on and direction changes quick.

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                      @Dave-J-0 @Stuart-Greer Woa, thanks a lot guys!

                      This may help @Corjan-Meijerink in solving the issue. Let's cross our fingers and put all our money on him. 😃

                      Manks bu'j te bange.

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                      • Stefan Hummelinkundefined Stefan Hummelink

                        @Dave-J-0 @Stuart-Greer Woa, thanks a lot guys!

                        This may help @Corjan-Meijerink in solving the issue. Let's cross our fingers and put all our money on him. 😃

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                        @StefanHummelink Where can I share my bank details with you? I'd more than happy carry all your money 😃

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                        • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                          @StefanHummelink Where can I share my bank details with you? I'd more than happy carry all your money 😃

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                          @Corjan-Meijerink I don't own my money, my wife does. 😃

                          Manks bu'j te bange.

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                            Ah, good to know that I am not alone. My Minister of Finance also has the total control. 😂

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                              It's about time we MEN stand up for ourselves and become financially independent of our wives!

                              I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

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                              • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                                It's about time we MEN stand up for ourselves and become financially independent of our wives!

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                                @Con-Hennekens said in Position Error:

                                It's about time we MEN stand up for ourselves and become financially independent of our wives!

                                You go first and we’ll look at the consequences 😀

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                                  @Con-Hennekens said in Position Error:

                                  It's about time we MEN stand up for ourselves and become financially independent of our wives!

                                  You go first and we’ll look at the consequences 😀

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                                  @Nick-Carthew very good suggestion 😄

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                                  • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                                    It's about time we MEN stand up for ourselves and become financially independent of our wives!

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                                    @Con-Hennekens As @Nick-Carthew already said, put your money where your mouth is! 😃

                                    Manks bu'j te bange.

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                                    • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                                      @Con-Hennekens said in Position Error:

                                      It's about time we MEN stand up for ourselves and become financially independent of our wives!

                                      You go first and we’ll look at the consequences 😀

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                                      @Nick-Carthew, hmmm. long way to go I see 🤣

                                      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                      Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

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                                      • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                                        @StefanHummelink Where can I share my bank details with you? I'd more than happy carry all your money 😃

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                                        @Corjan-Meijerink said in Position Error:

                                        I'd more than happy carry all your money

                                        Carry it? Call me when I can spend it! 😜

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                                        • Stuart Greerundefined Stuart Greer

                                          Samsung S22+ Android 13
                                          Updated to the new version which I think is really good and a huge step forward .
                                          The zoom feature is superb

                                          The position error is still there and I calculated that the map lags my actual position by between 100 and 120m. I missed a few turnings as a result of this.

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                                          @Stuart-Greer

                                          For comparison of different Samsung Phones regarding the position lag.

                                          The video below shows my Galaxy S21+ 5G.
                                          Build is 4.0.0, I will record the same video when 4.0.1 is available for Android.

                                          Excuse the wind noise from the GoPro as I wanted to get some Tiger loveliness in the Audio.

                                          The syncing of the GoPro and the S21+ inbuilt Screen Recording was synced as best I could at the first turn for the Screen Recording and the GoPro.

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