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[Jack van Tilburg]

@Tim-Thompson
I think the only (major) difference is that a group member, with full access to the group, first edits a route in his own MRA. Then that route can be added to the group again.
The advantage is that no second tool has to be used.

[Herko ter Horst]

@Jack-van-Tilburg I don't think groups provide anything to the person who wants to change a route. You'll need to follow the same steps if you just want to edit a route shared by a friend: open the route, click "Use route", edit the route and then share it with the friend (or others). Groups help only with the last step.

[Jack van Tilburg]

@Herko-ter-Horst

I was triggered by the comment below from TS.

I organise group runs and sometimes need the adjust the route.

With regard to collaboration, MRA Groups has sufficient functions to support this. (imho)

[Tim Thompson]

Yeah... No... I don't think this meets the general definition of collaborative editing.

Collaborative editing is the process of multiple people editing the same document simultaneously.

[Jack van Tilburg]

Let's get back to the question of TS:

Is it possible to move waypoints on a route created by a friend and shared.
I organise group runs and sometimes need the adjust the route.

And the correct answer is given by @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master

This is only possible when the route is IN your library.

[Herko ter Horst]

@Tim-Thompson said in Reshape:

Yeah... No... I don't think this meets the general definition of collaborative editing.

Collaborative editing is the process of multiple people editing the same document simultaneously.

Good thing the TS didn't ask for collaborative editing, then. And there are other forms of collaboration as well.

[Tim Thompson]

@Herko-ter-Horst said in Reshape:

@Tim-Thompson said in Reshape:

Yeah... No... I don't think this meets the general definition of collaborative editing.

Collaborative editing is the process of multiple people editing the same document simultaneously.

Good thing the TS didn't ask for collaborative editing, then.

Well... that's one interpretation.

[Con Hennekens]

I would hate it if I share a route and someone else edits it. Personally I think the current MRA method is better: just take the route into your own library, edit to your liking, and share the edited route under a different name. "v2" or "- edited by Tim" in the name or something.

Maybe a versioning system would be a good addition. That would make true collaborative editing possible. Registering who did what on a route, and a possibility to revert. Maybe read-only and read-write rights on group-members. So yeah, there is always room for improvement.

[Tim Thompson]

@Con-Hennekens said in Reshape:

I would hate it if I share a route and someone else edits it. Personally I think the current MRA method is better: just take the route into your own library, edit to your liking, and share the edited route under a different name. "v2" or "- edited by Tim" in the name or something.

Maybe a versioning system would be a good addition. That would make true collaborative editing possible. Registering who did what on a route, and a possibility to revert. Maybe read-only and read-write rights on group-members. So yeah, there is always room for improvement.

I believe the answer here might be access control. Furkot has it.

• Ask Around - Friends can't edit your trip but they can provide suggestions. They will know where you are going, but not when. If you like a suggestion, the tool provides an easy means of incorporating it.

• Planning access - either view only or full edit. In both cases they can see all the details of your trip: dates, stops, exact routes and all the notes. Full access will be able to modify the dates and times, add new stops, delete stops and add notes to existing stops.

• Furkot notifies you about changes made by others.

See the documentation for more details - Share your trip.

Versioning... I think both MRA and Furkot can handle that. It may not be automated, but what's there is probably good enough.

[Jack van Tilburg]

@Tim-Thompson
None of the arguments you put forward for using Furkot were requested by TS.
The question, like the answer, was simple.
But that has become bogged down and difficult to find in this topic.
If TS wants a collaboration tool, he will probably ask for it. And we will help him.

[Con Hennekens]

@Tim-Thompson, I can see that MRA has room for improvement, but I don't see that Furkot is a solution for everything. Please stop advocating that on an MRA forum. Personally I find Furkot counter-intuitive, too many options presented in an almost unreadable menu design, and more some sort of add platform for the catering industry. I'd hate it if MRA grows in that direction.

[Tim Thompson]

@Jack-van-Tilburg said in Reshape:

@Tim-Thompson
None of the arguments you put forward for using Furkot were requested by TS.
The question, like the answer, was simple.
But that has become bogged down and difficult to find in this topic.
If TS wants a collaboration tool, he will probably ask for it. And we will help him.

Look... This is what the guy said...

Is it possible to move waypoints on a route created by a friend and shared.

I organise group runs and sometimes need the adjust the route.

Sounds like an interest in collaboration to me. Sounds like he distinctly wants to collaboratively edit a route with friends.

I'm sorry... But MRA doesn't directly support that. It is what it is.

Look I know this is a MRA forum. However, be that as it may, if somebody is looking for some capability, in the interest of helping them find tools that might suit their needs, I'm going to point them to wherever they might find it. If MRA can do it - I'll point them to where/how if I know it. If it's somewhere other than MRA, so be it. In the end I don't really care if it's MRA, Furkot, Scenic, CoPilot, Waze, Google... Wherever. Doesn't matter.

I'm not pointing fingers here... But I've already had some jump down my Iunch about mentioning other tools on this forum. I get it. I like MRA too. But I'm not emotionally invested in it and don't see the need to strain credibility in trying to defend it's shortcomings. It's not perfect. No solution is. But it's almost as if some believe their world - and that of MRA - will collapse if someone were to look at other tools that might be able to fill a need that MRA can't.

If the OP finds my suggestion helpful. Great. If not... Then that's fine too. Free world and all that.

[Tim Thompson]

@Con-Hennekens said in Reshape:

@Tim-Thompson, I can see that MRA has room for improvement, but I don't see that Furkot is a solution for everything. Please stop advocating that on an MRA forum. Personally I find Furkot counter-intuitive, too many options presented in an almost unreadable menu design, and more some sort of add platform for the catering industry. I'd hate it if MRA grows in that direction.

See my previous reply to Jack-van-Tilburg.

[Corjan Meijerink]

I absolutely do not mind the mentioning of other apps @Tim-Thompson. MRA has shortcomings and so do other apps. MRA has advantages and so do others

As long as the comparison is factual, we have no objection against listing other platforms. Actively promoting a single app would not be appreciated a lot but that isn’t the case here

The whole reason we develop the new navigation app is because we want to get rid of the shortcomings in the existing navigation app

[Jack van Tilburg]

I don't care if MRA is promoted or some other tool.
The discussion in this topic is based on assumptions that TS would like something rather than asking questions or asking for his clarification. This does not clarify the subject and may not help the asker or others who would like to consult the forum later as a reference work.

[Hans van de Ven MR.MRA]

I’m closing this post, the answer is given, @Neville-Smith , you can only adjust routes when they are in your own library