BMW Connected Ride Navigator not importing waypoints
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@Philip-Goh said in BMW Connected Ride Navigator not importing waypoints:
@Dikke-Wim This was it!! I was always using GPX 1.2 and that seems to generate files that are 2x the size of the GPX 1.1 files. When I switch to using GPX 1.1, then it works as expected!
GPX 1.1 is the way to go for BMW’s connected ride app and navigator.
Exctually, I'm not sure yet that GPX1.1 is the best option. If I look at the ROUTE in the pictures above, I see differences between the route and the Track.
A good check is to:
- make the track visible (e.g. in the color black instead of the default white color)
- then start the route with the fewer waypoints (<50)
- compare the route with the tack on the map.
- differences are easily seen when the blue line (route) deviates from the black line (track).
I'm curious about the result.
Please let me know the outcome!@Dikke-Wim you have to do what Hans suggested above, which is to take the route, convert it to a set of waypoints and then the route looks very similar to the track. Much better than what was in the screenshot.
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@Dikke-Wim you have to do what Hans suggested above, which is to take the route, convert it to a set of waypoints and then the route looks very similar to the track. Much better than what was in the screenshot.
Thanks for adding this information. Very useful.
Indeed, the route becomes much better and similar to the track after calculating the routepoints in de Connect Ride App on the smartphone. Once inside the Connect Ride Next it looks good!
So the small image of the route in de App is misleading.
BMW R1300 GS, BMW Connect Ride Next navigator; Quad Lock with Samsung Galaxy Ultra, iPad Pro (iPadOS 18.0 bèta version) MacBook Pro (MacOS Sequoia 15.2 bèta version), iMac (MacOS Monterey 12.7.6)
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Thanks for adding this information. Very useful.
Indeed, the route becomes much better and similar to the track after calculating the routepoints in de Connect Ride App on the smartphone. Once inside the Connect Ride Next it looks good!
So the small image of the route in de App is misleading.
@Dikke-Wim said in BMW Connected Ride Navigator not importing waypoints:
Thanks for adding this information. Very useful.
Indeed, the route becomes much better and similar to the track after calculating the routepoints in de Connect Ride App on the smartphone. Once inside the Connect Ride Next it looks good!
So the small image of the route in de App is misleading.and that is exactly the information given in the link i posted at the beginning of this thread.
to achieve, we must first attempt ✌️
K1600 GTL
Oukitel RT3
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@Dikke-Wim said in BMW Connected Ride Navigator not importing waypoints:
Thanks for adding this information. Very useful.
Indeed, the route becomes much better and similar to the track after calculating the routepoints in de Connect Ride App on the smartphone. Once inside the Connect Ride Next it looks good!
So the small image of the route in de App is misleading.and that is exactly the information given in the link i posted at the beginning of this thread.
Sometimes I'm hard learning...
BMW R1300 GS, BMW Connect Ride Next navigator; Quad Lock with Samsung Galaxy Ultra, iPad Pro (iPadOS 18.0 bèta version) MacBook Pro (MacOS Sequoia 15.2 bèta version), iMac (MacOS Monterey 12.7.6)
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@Dikke-Wim said in BMW Connected Ride Navigator not importing waypoints:
Sometimes I'm hard learning...
hi
did you look at the thread I inserted. although it's a different forum.
I have actually copied into pdf doc and have easy access to it, for when i forget how to do it.to achieve, we must first attempt ✌️
K1600 GTL
Oukitel RT3
iPhone 13 Pro, carpuride 702b -
@Dikke-Wim said in BMW Connected Ride Navigator not importing waypoints:
Sometimes I'm hard learning...
hi
did you look at the thread I inserted. although it's a different forum.
I have actually copied into pdf doc and have easy access to it, for when i forget how to do it.Could you upload the pdf file here?
That would be nice.BMW R1300 GS, BMW Connect Ride Next navigator; Quad Lock with Samsung Galaxy Ultra, iPad Pro (iPadOS 18.0 bèta version) MacBook Pro (MacOS Sequoia 15.2 bèta version), iMac (MacOS Monterey 12.7.6)
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Use the TomTom map, use max 50 shaping points. Then send it to the connected app, choose the track and route with 50 points.
Then in the route file tick on the 3 dots in the upper right corner and choose convert to route with points. The 50 points will be visible.
Choose that route on the CRN and you can also make the track visible on the CRN@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA
Hans, I'm curious. Why would you use the route with the waypoints visible? There is no difference between VIA-points and FORM-points. For me it would make sense if you could maken only the VIA-point visible (lunch stops, coffee breaks, castles, etc.). When do you use these waypoints that are visible in the CRN as balloons?
Maybe I miss it but wat is the advantage of seeing all waypoints? The route without the waypoints is the same.
The only thing I can think of is that you can REMEMBER that e.g. waypoint 20 is a coffee break.
A workaround is to add favourites by hand (one by one) in the CRN. These points are visible as a balloon with an asterisk.
Hope te hear from you!
BMW R1300 GS, BMW Connect Ride Next navigator; Quad Lock with Samsung Galaxy Ultra, iPad Pro (iPadOS 18.0 bèta version) MacBook Pro (MacOS Sequoia 15.2 bèta version), iMac (MacOS Monterey 12.7.6)
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to achieve, we must first attempt ✌️
K1600 GTL
Oukitel RT3
iPhone 13 Pro, carpuride 702b -
I don't see an option either. No problem. I think I have enough information already.
BMW R1300 GS, BMW Connect Ride Next navigator; Quad Lock with Samsung Galaxy Ultra, iPad Pro (iPadOS 18.0 bèta version) MacBook Pro (MacOS Sequoia 15.2 bèta version), iMac (MacOS Monterey 12.7.6)
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@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA
Hans, I'm curious. Why would you use the route with the waypoints visible? There is no difference between VIA-points and FORM-points. For me it would make sense if you could maken only the VIA-point visible (lunch stops, coffee breaks, castles, etc.). When do you use these waypoints that are visible in the CRN as balloons?
Maybe I miss it but wat is the advantage of seeing all waypoints? The route without the waypoints is the same.
The only thing I can think of is that you can REMEMBER that e.g. waypoint 20 is a coffee break.
A workaround is to add favourites by hand (one by one) in the CRN. These points are visible as a balloon with an asterisk.
Hope te hear from you!
@Dikke-Wim
The CRN sees all points as injured points, if you change the name of the points, you will see the name in the CRN at a point, for example Coffee or lunch.
You will not receive a notification from the CRN, but you can see them. Or indeed remember the number where you want to stop.Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is. -
I don't see an option either. No problem. I think I have enough information already.
@Dikke-Wim said in BMW Connected Ride Navigator not importing waypoints:
I don't see an option either. No problem. I think I have enough information already.
hi @Dikke-Wim
when i found the thread regarding this process (at the beginning of this thread), i just copied the whole explanation into a word doc, then formatted it to make it more readable and then exported to pdf. i am no computer wizard.
incidentally @Topcat502 who started this topic, i hope all these replies have helped you with your query.
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Hi all. Really appreciate the help from all, but what an absolute faff!! It looks like MRA and CRN doesn't play well together and hopefully MRA will rectify this in the future. Other GPX files we have downloaded from other bike sites have worked fine. We ride to planned routes so need the waypoints/shaping points, always have. Sadly, regretting buying MRA/CRN at present. Fingers crossed on future updates.
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Hi all. Really appreciate the help from all, but what an absolute faff!! It looks like MRA and CRN doesn't play well together and hopefully MRA will rectify this in the future. Other GPX files we have downloaded from other bike sites have worked fine. We ride to planned routes so need the waypoints/shaping points, always have. Sadly, regretting buying MRA/CRN at present. Fingers crossed on future updates.
So what doesn't work? Can you share some screenshots of what you see in the CRN of other gpx files and not of an MRA file.
Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is. -
@Dikke-Wim
The CRN sees all points as injured points, if you change the name of the points, you will see the name in the CRN at a point, for example Coffee or lunch.
You will not receive a notification from the CRN, but you can see them. Or indeed remember the number where you want to stop.@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA
Ik probeer de namen van de punten in de Connect Ride App te veranderen nadat ik een route vanuit MRA heb geëxporteerd als GPX 1.1 file en heb omgezet naar route met waypoints.
Helaas kan ik dan geen namen van de routepunten aanpassen.Hooguit kan in in MRA de namen veranderen (bv. Lunch, koffie, etc.), maar die namen komen niet terug in de Connect Ride app op mijn iPhone. Ook niet op de CRN zelf.
Hoe kun jij de namen veranderen zodat ze uiteindelijk op de CRN zichtbaar worden?
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So what doesn't work? Can you share some screenshots of what you see in the CRN of other gpx files and not of an MRA file.
@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA !
I'm not saying it doesn't work, but it just seems very strange to need these workarounds when previously technology has worked fine.
The top route is a gpx file showing a route made in Basecamp. As you can see it has the waypoints already set up as per the gpx file created. This can be imported directly into the CRN.
This shows the same route created in MRA and exported as GPX 1.1
As you can see the CRA shows them as support points and as you have explained, the route has to be converted to waypoints in the app, you then have to export this to the CRN (because you don't have the option to convert in the CRN. )Other points to note are that, unlike our previous NAV5, there isn't the option to "fix" your route. Therefore, if you're like us and ride to planned routes (either from mags or ones we've created) we have to add more waypoints than previously added because it doesn't recognise shaping points and is more likely to take you off your route. We have to add them in after junctions so that it sticks to the route as much as possible, but then if needed we can skip them due to traffic/road closure etc. Therefore, the 50 max waypoints doesn't help and we have to break up our tours into smaller chunks. I understand this isn't an MRA issue and hopefully the CRN will provide further updates from everyone's feedback as it's still relatively new.
As I say it's not impossible, but for us, using Basecamp and the NAV5 was straight forward to plan, export and ride our routes compared to MRA/CRA/CRN set up.
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@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA !
I'm not saying it doesn't work, but it just seems very strange to need these workarounds when previously technology has worked fine.
The top route is a gpx file showing a route made in Basecamp. As you can see it has the waypoints already set up as per the gpx file created. This can be imported directly into the CRN.
This shows the same route created in MRA and exported as GPX 1.1
As you can see the CRA shows them as support points and as you have explained, the route has to be converted to waypoints in the app, you then have to export this to the CRN (because you don't have the option to convert in the CRN. )Other points to note are that, unlike our previous NAV5, there isn't the option to "fix" your route. Therefore, if you're like us and ride to planned routes (either from mags or ones we've created) we have to add more waypoints than previously added because it doesn't recognise shaping points and is more likely to take you off your route. We have to add them in after junctions so that it sticks to the route as much as possible, but then if needed we can skip them due to traffic/road closure etc. Therefore, the 50 max waypoints doesn't help and we have to break up our tours into smaller chunks. I understand this isn't an MRA issue and hopefully the CRN will provide further updates from everyone's feedback as it's still relatively new.
As I say it's not impossible, but for us, using Basecamp and the NAV5 was straight forward to plan, export and ride our routes compared to MRA/CRA/CRN set up.
@Topcat502
Different technology.
BMW Nav 5 and Basecamp = Garmin
BMW Connected App and the CRN = TomTomGarmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is. -
A further update to this
We've now done a ride where we have converted to waypoints through the Connected Ride App and then used the CRN to navigate. It doesn't recognise the difference between a destination and a waypoint, as the navigation display shows ETA for the next waypoint and the destination as the same. It also removes the waypoint from the route on the map as you go along. It doesn't alert you to the name of the waypoint either, it just tells you (sometimes) that you have reached your destination. -
@Topcat502
Different technology.
BMW Nav 5 and Basecamp = Garmin
BMW Connected App and the CRN = TomTom@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA
Hi just started withn this ConnectedRide Navigator.
Question 1) Do i have to use TOMTOM Maps as default to export the GPX 1.1 file so it's recognised accurately in Navigator or does it not matter?
I have created both the track and Route files to test with HERE Maps and the TOMTOM Maps- not sure what is going to work here.
Question 2) Should i just create the Routes with the maximum 50 Shaping points and use that in GPX 1.1 format? either TOMTOM or HERE Maps (what works)?
Question 3) I preume if a track is too large it just can't handle it. Had a error when testing.
Hope they update so we can see the detail of way points, as that's most dissapointing.
Regards
Jez
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@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA
Hi just started withn this ConnectedRide Navigator.
Question 1) Do i have to use TOMTOM Maps as default to export the GPX 1.1 file so it's recognised accurately in Navigator or does it not matter?
I have created both the track and Route files to test with HERE Maps and the TOMTOM Maps- not sure what is going to work here.
Question 2) Should i just create the Routes with the maximum 50 Shaping points and use that in GPX 1.1 format? either TOMTOM or HERE Maps (what works)?
Question 3) I preume if a track is too large it just can't handle it. Had a error when testing.
Hope they update so we can see the detail of way points, as that's most dissapointing.
Regards
Jez
Hello
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Yes, it is best to use the TomTom card, because the CRN also uses the TomTom card. And the GPX 1.1 file also gives the best result and you can make the Shaping points visible in the connected app and therefore also on the CRN. There are no formation points in a GPX 1.2.
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You can create more than 50 Shaping points, only the connected app can make a maximum of 50 visible.
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If you have more than 50 Shaping points in your route, take the track, this is the file with more than 3000 support points.
Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is. -
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Hello
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Yes, it is best to use the TomTom card, because the CRN also uses the TomTom card. And the GPX 1.1 file also gives the best result and you can make the Shaping points visible in the connected app and therefore also on the CRN. There are no formation points in a GPX 1.2.
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You can create more than 50 Shaping points, only the connected app can make a maximum of 50 visible.
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If you have more than 50 Shaping points in your route, take the track, this is the file with more than 3000 support points.
@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA
Many thanks i will try that.
Do you think we will eventually be able to obtain the information as per way points in MRA Navigation. Or at least some way to communicate the notes for each way point like Fuel - Coffee stop etc.
Regards
Jez
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