Specific Track v Route question exporting to tomtom go app

[big-vern]

I have an iphone with tomtom go app.
I plan the route with waypoints/petrol stops in MRA on PC, all good.
I then save as a .gpx 1.2 (route,track,poi) to PC
I then import into https://plan.tomtom.com/

Here is the problem - its not imported as a route but as a track

Can I import as a route and do I need to (the track seems to have lost all the way points), eg, if we hit a road accident will it reroute us and what about lost waypoints.

Confused - fairly new to detailed route planning to sat-nav but tech savvy

edit - so I an itn. file would keep the way points but would still loose the route I planned in MRA as it caluclates the route itself between these waypoints.

I guess im asking after spending hours panning these routes in MRA and using the tomtom map in it how to I transfer this exactly as I planned it in MRA onto the tomtom go app so it will follow the same route

[Con Hennekens]

@Grahame-Lancaster said in Specific Track v Route question exporting to tomtom go app:

so I an itn. file would keep the way points but would still loose the route I planned in MRA as it caluclates the route itself between these waypoints.

That's kind of the purpose for ITN files

@Grahame-Lancaster said in Specific Track v Route question exporting to tomtom go app:

I guess im asking after spending hours panning these routes in MRA and using the tomtom map in it how to I transfer this exactly as I planned it in MRA onto the tomtom go app so it will follow the same route

The track is often used for that, but if you want the route and waypoints, you need to make sure you use the TomTom map during planning, and give your TT app the same navigation options as used during planning (avoidance and method of transportation). The route will be fairly equal if you do this.

Bear in mind that the planner has a lot of options that are not compatible with dedicated GPS units and other brand apps.

[Herko ter Horst]

@Grahame-Lancaster The TomTom Go app can only use tracks to navigate. You can't load a route with waypoints into the TomTom Go app, although you can load it into TomTom MyDrive/Plan.TomTom.com, as you've discovered. You can then sync the route as a track from Plan.TomTom.com.

If you use the GPX 1.1 format to save from MRA and then import that file into TomTom, you get both the route (tagged "Fast") and the track (tagged "Exact").

However, the easiest way to transfer a route from MRA to the TomTom Go app is by using the "Save as" -> "TomTom MyDrive" menu option in the MRA Routeplanner. That will save just the calculated track to TomTom MyDrive/Plan.TomTom.com. It should then automatically synchronise to the app as well, but I've found that I've needed to go to Plan.TomTom.com and either click "Sync route" or change the description of the track to get it to actually sync.

You can also save POIs from the route as OV2-files to Plan.TomTom.com, but OV2-files are not supported by the TomTom Go app. You'll need to add POIs to "My Places" manually, if needed/wanted.

[Jack van Tilburg]

This is the image of a route in the TomTom GoRideApp.
It's funny when you consider that TomTomGo is a paid app and GoRide is free.
By the way, I'm not that attached to waypoints and POIs. So that's why I usually use the TomTomGo (with CarPlay).

This route was not put on PlanTomTom via the "save as" function, but uploaded as a GPX 1.1 file.

[big-vern]

@Herko-ter-Horst

spot on thank you so much, I had gotten mot of the way there last night before checking and you filled in the rest, thanks to everyone for their input, great help and clarity.
I have the tomtom goride IOS app as well and that picks up synched rides no issues straight after saving from mra to tomtom drive; but with the tomtom go app (same phone) as you say I have to go to the tomtom planner and toggle the synch off/on for the go app to pick it up.

[M. Schrijver]

@Jack-van-Tilburg
TomTom Go Ride is indeed free compared to TomTom Go app.
I've only used Go Ride briefly and fiddle with it on my couch. But is has some limitations.

No offline maps. This has advantages. No navigation problems when there is no data coverage and it limits the data usage drasticly.
2.
No sidebar. This sidebar shows route, gasstations and traffic info for the coming 50 km's. I love this function. This is what i miss in MRA Next.
3.
I'm not certain about this one. But you it seems you need to be careful what you do with the route when on the road. Before you know you have a route directly to your endpoint.

B.T.W
I like graphics of Go Ride more than TomTom Go. The graphics of Go Ride are more clean and clear. I don't what it is but it probably how the map is shown on screen. Less detail or something like that.

[Jack van Tilburg]

@M-Schrijver
As I mentioned earlier, I am not very interested in waypoints or POIs on my navigation screen. I rarely look at it and when I do look at the screen I just want to be able to quickly see how my route is going. I know my route and I don't need the navi to find a lunch or coffee location. I stop when I feel like it and start riding again when it suits me. My breaks are unplanned. I am also in the comfortable position that my motorcycle has a large tank and I do not easily run out of fuel. And that also applies to my (current) traveling companions.
Of course, this will be very different if you are going on a tour for a group, because there will probably be people who need all that information.
And I'll probably want that information when I'm older. But then the navi should probably also tell me why I'm on the bike and where I'm going. Because I keep forgetting that by then.
(Please see this comment as a comic note)

[Jack van Tilburg]

@Peter-Schiefer
Of course I include the points I want to see or visit in my routes. I don't want to miss them. And that is why I explore the locations while planning in MRA planner. In difficult locations I can usually use street view.
If I am on a multi-day trip, we discuss the next day's route in the evening. Because I'm old enough to have forgotten the details a few weeks after planning

[Lynchy67]

@Jack-van-Tilburg said in Specific Track v Route question exporting to tomtom go app:

I stop when I feel like it and start riding again when it suits me.

I totally agree with that mindset.

[big-vern]

OK - as I have some experienced users and after having played a bit more and watched a few videos, I am left with a question, in view of the fact that when importing to tomtom it becomes a track and therfore loses its waypoints, I am left wondering why you might use so many when planning in MRA (and for example the option to expand the number of waypoints)

I guess the answer may be to brute force your sat nav to following the exact route as planned in MRA?
But then if I am planning on the tomtom map in MRA and using the same settings in totom go on my ios phone would it not follow the same route anyway

Thanks.!

[M. Schrijver]

@Grahame-Lancaster
A route and a track are two different things.
When using a route. You will using the TomTom routing algoritmes to calculate a route from point to point. When you use enough points in a route. The route will be identical. When you use to few points, the route can be different.

When using a track. There is no calculation algoritme involved. TomTom Go just follows the track. With only one note. When importing a track in TomTom Go it will move the track line to existing roads. In theory this can causes some difference between the software you created the route in and TomTom GO. Normally when you create in MRA a route on the TomTom map Both MRA and TomTom Go are the same.

[big-vern]

@M-Schrijver I kinda understand the differenc between route and track I think, but in tutorial videos, there has been the use of waypoints and expanding waypoints when using the tomtom map in MRA, if it gets converted to a track why bother. ?

[Jack van Tilburg]

@Grahame-Lancaster
To ensure that the route in MRA does not change when it is closed and/or reopened. That can happen due to various reasons.
Try to place as few waypoints as possible but as many as necessary. Consider, for example, places where the planner could take an unwanted "shortcut" or otherwise alternative route.

[big-vern]

@Jack-van-Tilburg ah, thank you, that explains it.

[M. Schrijver]

My opnion.
Just use tracks in TomTom Go. If a road is closed or some other rerouting, sometimes TomTom Go fixes this in advance (you won't notice this). Other times just follow the signs and TomTom will follow you and tries to guide you back to the original route (track).

Waypoints don't add much functionality to your route compared to a track in TomTom Go.

In case of TomTom, the of waypoints in MRA (hand shape) doesn't have any functionality. Use only the shaping points (drop shape) the shape your route.

[Con Hennekens]

@Jack-van-Tilburg said in Specific Track v Route question exporting to tomtom go app:

I know my route and I don't need the navi to find a lunch or coffee location. I stop when I feel like it and start riding again when it suits me. My breaks are unplanned. I am also in the comfortable position that my motorcycle has a large tank and I do not easily run out of fuel.

Sounds like you don't need navigation at all

[Jack van Tilburg]

@Con-Hennekens
Yes I do. I don't have a swimming diploma because I get lost even in the swimmingpool

[Con Hennekens]

@Jack-van-Tilburg, Okay, good to have a real waterproof navigation device then