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  • Laurence 2undefined Offline
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    Laurence 2
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    I have a Lifetime Gold membership and I have used the Expand function for other routes as a test - it worked fine. There is something oomething odd about this route which I made in MRA from waypoints which are imported from a Mapsource GPX file. They appeared in MRA as POI's. So, I made each one into a Waypoint when creating the route.

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    • Laurence 2undefined Laurence 2

      I have a Lifetime Gold membership and I have used the Expand function for other routes as a test - it worked fine. There is something oomething odd about this route which I made in MRA from waypoints which are imported from a Mapsource GPX file. They appeared in MRA as POI's. So, I made each one into a Waypoint when creating the route.

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      Rob Verhoeff
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      #5

      @Laurence-2 Can you share your route in this post? Be sure you make the route 'public' before you post the link.

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      • Rob Verhoeffundefined Rob Verhoeff

        @Laurence-2 Can you share your route in this post? Be sure you make the route 'public' before you post the link.

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        wrote on last edited by
        #6

        @Rob-Verhoeff
        Hi, link below:

        https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7361082?mode=share

        Laurence

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        • Laurence 2undefined Laurence 2

          @Rob-Verhoeff
          Hi, link below:

          https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7361082?mode=share

          Laurence

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          RouteXpert
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          #7

          @Laurence-2

          Make sure you place the points good on the routeline, and in the correct order
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          Expanding routepoints is not working in the Here-map at this moment. It works fine in the OSM and TT map.
          I have informed the developers

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          Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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          • Laurence 2undefined Laurence 2

            @Rob-Verhoeff
            Hi, link below:

            https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7361082?mode=share

            Laurence

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            RouteXpert
            wrote on last edited by
            #8

            @Laurence-2

            When you create a new route from scratch expanding is working also in the Here-map. Maybe it is the route that you uploaden that gives the problem.

            Create a new route and make the uploaded route visible via the left menu (routes) and then place routepoints to draw the route.

            Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
            Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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            • Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

              @Laurence-2

              When you create a new route from scratch expanding is working also in the Here-map. Maybe it is the route that you uploaden that gives the problem.

              Create a new route and make the uploaded route visible via the left menu (routes) and then place routepoints to draw the route.

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              Laurence 2
              wrote on last edited by
              #9

              @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
              I remade the route and still same issue - won't expand for me.
              This is the link:

              https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7387652?mode=share

              I started making this route by importing waypoints from a Mapsource GPX file. These appear in the MRA map as POI's. Then, I enable these POI's in Library. When linking them to make the route, I tick the box to make them into waypoints.

              Not sure if my procedure is correct. Anyway, this is where I suspect the problem with not expanding stems from - importing waypoints....

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              • Laurence 2undefined Laurence 2

                @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
                I remade the route and still same issue - won't expand for me.
                This is the link:

                https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7387652?mode=share

                I started making this route by importing waypoints from a Mapsource GPX file. These appear in the MRA map as POI's. Then, I enable these POI's in Library. When linking them to make the route, I tick the box to make them into waypoints.

                Not sure if my procedure is correct. Anyway, this is where I suspect the problem with not expanding stems from - importing waypoints....

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                Rob Verhoeff
                Alpha tester
                wrote on last edited by
                #10

                @Laurence-2 and @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master I'm sure the original route isn't well put together. Shaping points are not all placed in the middle of the road. In addition, there are also parts of the route that you drive there and back. The program cannot handle that. I put extra shaping point in crucial places myself and then expanded it to 60 points. That works perfectly. I think it's user error.

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                • Laurence 2undefined Laurence 2

                  @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
                  I remade the route and still same issue - won't expand for me.
                  This is the link:

                  https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7387652?mode=share

                  I started making this route by importing waypoints from a Mapsource GPX file. These appear in the MRA map as POI's. Then, I enable these POI's in Library. When linking them to make the route, I tick the box to make them into waypoints.

                  Not sure if my procedure is correct. Anyway, this is where I suspect the problem with not expanding stems from - importing waypoints....

                  Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Offline
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                  Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
                  RouteXpert
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #11

                  @Laurence-2
                  When importing gpx files from other planners, always select the route-track option to import.
                  When i look at your route, as @Rob-Verhoeff said, it isn't well put together
                  407df2bb-05d2-46c2-ba9c-f837ded39b25-image.png

                  Make sure that the routepoints are placed correct on the routeline

                  Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
                  Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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                  • Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

                    @Laurence-2
                    When importing gpx files from other planners, always select the route-track option to import.
                    When i look at your route, as @Rob-Verhoeff said, it isn't well put together
                    407df2bb-05d2-46c2-ba9c-f837ded39b25-image.png

                    Make sure that the routepoints are placed correct on the routeline

                    Laurence 2undefined Offline
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                    Laurence 2
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #12

                    @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
                    I appreciate the advice.
                    The POI's are not all on roads, as they are photo points for a photo rally.
                    I am not clear why MRA cannot manage this situation, but have to accept it.
                    I moved from Zumo 660 + Mapsource to Zumo XT + MRA - let's say the jury is still out.

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                    • Laurence 2undefined Laurence 2

                      @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
                      I appreciate the advice.
                      The POI's are not all on roads, as they are photo points for a photo rally.
                      I am not clear why MRA cannot manage this situation, but have to accept it.
                      I moved from Zumo 660 + Mapsource to Zumo XT + MRA - let's say the jury is still out.

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                      Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
                      RouteXpert
                      wrote on last edited by Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
                      #13

                      @Laurence-2
                      MRA can handle it, but when a notmal routepoint is placed that way, we think it is off track.
                      If point 3 is a photo stop, make a viapoint of it. Then you will be forced to visit that point. And you will see the flag in your XT.

                      Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
                      Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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                      • Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

                        @Laurence-2
                        MRA can handle it, but when a notmal routepoint is placed that way, we think it is off track.
                        If point 3 is a photo stop, make a viapoint of it. Then you will be forced to visit that point. And you will see the flag in your XT.

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                        Laurence 2
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #14

                        @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
                        That is good advice thanks.
                        I have to learn to use such POI's as a guide while creating actual waypoints nearby for the route purpose.

                        The XT presents it's own challenges.... I miss the "please drive to highlighted route" instruction which the 550 / 660 provided when you want to join a route from which you have detoured. I still do not have a consistent solution to use for this on the road. Any advice would be appreciated.

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                        • Laurence 2undefined Laurence 2

                          @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
                          That is good advice thanks.
                          I have to learn to use such POI's as a guide while creating actual waypoints nearby for the route purpose.

                          The XT presents it's own challenges.... I miss the "please drive to highlighted route" instruction which the 550 / 660 provided when you want to join a route from which you have detoured. I still do not have a consistent solution to use for this on the road. Any advice would be appreciated.

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                          Laurence 2
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #15

                          @Laurence-2
                          Hello again,
                          I have another route of 17 waypoints, made on MRA only, without anything imported.
                          I cannot get the Expand function to work, I tried adding different numbers of waypoints (50, 100)
                          Can anyone advise what is the issue preventing addition of waypoints in this way, please?

                          Route link: https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7392943?mode=share

                          Thanks,
                          LB

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                          • Laurence 2undefined Laurence 2

                            @Laurence-2
                            Hello again,
                            I have another route of 17 waypoints, made on MRA only, without anything imported.
                            I cannot get the Expand function to work, I tried adding different numbers of waypoints (50, 100)
                            Can anyone advise what is the issue preventing addition of waypoints in this way, please?

                            Route link: https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7392943?mode=share

                            Thanks,
                            LB

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                            Rob Verhoeff
                            Alpha tester
                            wrote on last edited by Rob Verhoeff
                            #16

                            @Laurence-2 It's working for me! There are some point that have a critical position in your route such as 13 and 3. After moving point 13 and 3 I succedes in expending the route. Sometimes you see a little gap between two points. Move that point and than it will work. You have to carefully place the points. Not on a intersection, but a little further away.

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                            • Laurence 2undefined Laurence 2

                              @Laurence-2
                              Hello again,
                              I have another route of 17 waypoints, made on MRA only, without anything imported.
                              I cannot get the Expand function to work, I tried adding different numbers of waypoints (50, 100)
                              Can anyone advise what is the issue preventing addition of waypoints in this way, please?

                              Route link: https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7392943?mode=share

                              Thanks,
                              LB

                              Lynchy67undefined Offline
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                              wrote on last edited by Lynchy67
                              #17

                              @Laurence-2

                              Using your Route directly I could not Expand it!
                              I have no clue why?
                              Maybe one of the Dev's can look at that?
                              So I saved it as a GPX1.1 (Track, POI) then re-imported it as a Route-Track.

                              Expand 1.jpg

                              Then when I "Edit route-track" it works.
                              Expand 2.jpg

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                              • Rob Verhoeffundefined Rob Verhoeff

                                @Laurence-2 It's working for me! There are some point that have a critical position in your route such as 13 and 3. After moving point 13 and 3 I succedes in expending the route. Sometimes you see a little gap between two points. Move that point and than it will work. You have to carefully place the points. Not on a intersection, but a little further away.

                                Laurence 2undefined Offline
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                                Laurence 2
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #18

                                @Rob-Verhoeff
                                Rob,
                                I did as you said:
                                Revised the waypoint locations to be away from junction, a little beyond the intersection and exactly on the route. I then was able to expand the route to 50 waypoints. This will be more secure for transfer to the XT and if I go to share the route.
                                So, now I know!
                                Thanks,
                                Laurence

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                                • Lynchy67undefined Lynchy67

                                  @Laurence-2

                                  Using your Route directly I could not Expand it!
                                  I have no clue why?
                                  Maybe one of the Dev's can look at that?
                                  So I saved it as a GPX1.1 (Track, POI) then re-imported it as a Route-Track.

                                  Expand 1.jpg

                                  Then when I "Edit route-track" it works.
                                  Expand 2.jpg

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                                  Laurence 2
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #19

                                  @Lynchy67
                                  Hi Lynchy,
                                  Thanks for that work-around, good to know!
                                  Laurence

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                                    I'm having the same problem, I've used Espand many times with no hitch but now I am having the same issue
                                    https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7413027?mode=share

                                    If it's relevanty this route was originally part of a single longer route and I split it. I suceesfully expanded the first half

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                                    • simonharvestmill.co.ukundefined simonharvestmill.co.uk

                                      I'm having the same problem, I've used Espand many times with no hitch but now I am having the same issue
                                      https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7413027?mode=share

                                      If it's relevanty this route was originally part of a single longer route and I split it. I suceesfully expanded the first half

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                                      Rob Verhoeff
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                                      @Simon-Wood I think your route looks a bit like a mess. What is the meaning of waypoint 4 between 12 and 13?

                                      Scherm­afbeelding 2023-05-09 om 19.28.36.png

                                      The other points ensure that a loop is constantly made. I understand that the expand function can't handle that.

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